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Homeowners Association: Veteran Canít Build Furniture For Military Families In Need
CBS News Las Vegas ^ | 7/24/14

Posted on 07/25/2014 12:31:08 PM PDT by Kartographer

A war veteran who builds furniture in his garage and gives it to military families in need could be forced to shut down the saws.

A homeowners association is telling Dennis Kocher he needs to close up shop after years of doing business, or he could be fined between $100 and $1,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacramento.cbslocal.com ...


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1 posted on 07/25/2014 12:31:08 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer
Another reason to HATE Homeowners Associations.
2 posted on 07/25/2014 12:37:06 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Kartographer
A war veteran who builds furniture in his garage ... for years
I'm 99% behind this guy, but there's that 1% of me that feels for the neighbors who might just be getting tired of all the hammering, power saws, sanders, and general noise all day, every day.
3 posted on 07/25/2014 12:41:33 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kartographer

He’s been doing this for 10 years. His neighbors have written letters of support, so I wonder who is pushing this.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 12:42:10 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Kartographer

Who wants to live in a cookie-cutter neighborhood anyway?


5 posted on 07/25/2014 12:42:15 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: oh8eleven

The complaint isn’t about the noise. Supposedly the complaint is about odors and noxious fumes. And his neighbors have written letters of support.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 12:43:58 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: oh8eleven

We have a guy like this in our hood. All weekend long the sound of power tools, hammering, etc., not to mention the stacked lumber in the driveway. Sometimes I have to park in the street. I would say something, but he made me such nice end tables. Plus, he’s a good kisser.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 12:46:45 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: oh8eleven

That’s the 1% I save for the people who fill there garage up with stuff and then have 4 or 5 family cars and use up all the on street parking. ;-)


8 posted on 07/25/2014 12:46:45 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: oh8eleven

Tired neighbors??

There have been a lot of times I’ve been tired of listening to my neighbors kids screaming too. Can we stop them from having any more kids present in their home today when it was perfectly legal yesterday and last week or month?


9 posted on 07/25/2014 12:48:00 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired AB Ranger K-9 handler.)
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To: Kartographer
“I may not paint, sand, cut wood or screw on the property at anytime,” he said. Can't even screw on his own property. The HOA is really hitting him below the belt.
10 posted on 07/25/2014 12:49:32 PM PDT by DFG ("Dumb, Dependent, and Democrat is no way to go through life" - Louie Gohmert (R-TX))
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To: Kartographer

I appreciate what he is trying to do, and Homeowners Associations can be overbearing, but some rules actually do have a purpose. He moved into that neighborhood to be in a nice environment. That environment is disturbed if someone turns their garage into a woodshop or furniture factory. The fact that he is a veteran or is making furniture for military families in need should not have a bearing on this. It should not give him special status.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 12:49:41 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Kartographer
That’s the 1% I save for the people who fill there garage up with stuff and then have 4 or 5 family cars and use up all the on street parking. ;-)

There goes my preconceived notion of you living in the middle of nowhere in a bunker.

12 posted on 07/25/2014 12:52:47 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I would have added one issue. It either makes noise and a mess outside the garage or not. If the former, he should stop.

There are churches and other places in a community where he might continue without disturbing the community.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 12:53:44 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

My hats off to you as you clearly believe in truth in labeling.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 12:53:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: sportutegrl

“We have a guy like this in our hood. All weekend long the sound of power tools, hammering, etc., not to mention the stacked lumber in the driveway. Sometimes I have to park in the street. I would say something, but he made me such nice end tables. Plus, he’s a good kisser.”

Very excellent post, thank you for the chuckle!


15 posted on 07/25/2014 12:54:44 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Kartographer

HOA are self serving, noxious, A-holes.

Hell, in ours the guards keep coming over and telling one neighbor to turn his music down.

We can’t figure out who’s complaining. Ain’t me, the behind me. Our music is louder and run parties at night.

Theirs is during the day on the weekend, so who frickin cares?

I told em next time to call me when they show up and I’ll be happy to put em straight.


16 posted on 07/25/2014 12:57:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kartographer
If you don't want to be subject to a homeowners association, don't purchase property subject to a homeowners association.

When you sign a contract, you are bound by that contract. Unless you are pResident Zero.

17 posted on 07/25/2014 12:57:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: sportutegrl

Keep him!

LOL

I read your home page...


18 posted on 07/25/2014 12:59:06 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Starstruck

There are a great many here on FR who would be most disappointed in the truth. I don’t own a 4 wheel drive, I haven’t a bunker of any type, I have under 5000 rd.s of ammo on hand [I won’t say how much under ;-). I get to the range once a month. I don’t spend weekends out in the woods ‘playing war’ and so on......


19 posted on 07/25/2014 12:59:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
There's already a second class of citizen, and a third… in fact, if you count illegal immigrants* there's probably about five.
  1. The political elite — they have made themselves exempt from the general operation of law by tradition, but with ACA have begun to codify it.
  2. The Enforcement caste — many of the laws exempt enforcement officers (e.g. gun laws), they also enjoy immunity from many of their actions.
  3. The Bureaarchy — occupying a middle-ground between political-elite and enforcement, they enjoy a de facto immunity because they operate enforcement according to the wishes of the political elite— and provide the elite with deniability and means for escaping accountability/responsibility. (e.g. EPA's onerous regulations, probably [setting the foundation for] implementing a de facto cap-and-trade; or the Federal Reserve, which enjoys the power of setting the value of the dollar while providing congress a way of saying it's not us when questioned about it.)
  4. Illegal Immigrants — These are more desirable to the Bureaarchy and the political elite than real citizens because what citizens regard as rights are privileges for them, which means that the government can alter or abolish them at will and without repercussion. This is in addition to being able to lord their guilt over them:
    “Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
    ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
  5. The Citizen — This is the least-desirable member of this hierarchy: they have notions of liberty, and that the government exists at their pleasure and for their benefit rather than that the citizen exists for the benefit of the government… and legal precedence to back it up. For this reason they must be lulled until they can be replaced by members of the illegal immigrant caste — in this manner the whole of society will come under the power of the government.
    (Note: according to estimates, 1 in 20 to 1 in 10 people in the US are illegal immigrants — that's 5%-10%.)

* — While not technically citizens, they enjoy much of the traditional benefits of citizenship plus an astounding amount of immunity from consequence of law-breaking.

20 posted on 07/25/2014 1:01:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

My post #19 this thread. :-)


21 posted on 07/25/2014 1:01:32 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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It’s not that you under 5,000 rounds.

It’s more important that you 5,000 rounds down.

See what I did there? It’s subtle.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 1:01:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kartographer

Wonder why they jumped his bones after ten years. Makes no sense when his neighbors support his activities.

I can see somebody having a problem with the guy just starting out doing what he’s doing, but to let it ride ten years, and then bust him is not right IMO.

I have a workshop in which I build all sorts of things, but then I’m out in the sticks with no HOA.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 1:02:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The fact that he is a veteran or is making furniture for military families in need should not have a bearing on this.

But the fact that he is not selling the furniture should.

According to the article, someone has complained that he is "producing odors and noxious fumes," basically the same complaints someone might make if the next door neighbor smokes. Unless he is running a large scale operation, some drying varnish is not going to reasonably affect any neighbors.

If he is not running a commercial business and the "odors and noxious fumes" do not rise to the level that someone could successfully sue him as a public nuisance (generally pig farms and waste dumps) then it is his business what he does in his own home.

Of course, that is why I refuse to live in a subdivision with a homeowners association or in a house within pissing distance of a neighbor.

24 posted on 07/25/2014 1:03:19 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: sportutegrl

:)


25 posted on 07/25/2014 1:05:38 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: DFG
The HOA is really hitting him below the belt.

Zing!

As an aside, if what he says is true, how does he accomplish simple home repairs/maintenance.

26 posted on 07/25/2014 1:05:51 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: SandRat

Another reason to read purchase agreements before signing one.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 1:06:47 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Kartographer

Playing gardener or farmer is more “survivally” than playing war...


28 posted on 07/25/2014 1:09:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Vendome

For my ‘battle’ rifle I figure a soldier on patrol carries 210 rounds. I figure in SHTF you can only live through so many fire fights so 2100 rounds is 10 fire fights. The chances of you living through more that 10 fire fights during SHTF? I say pretty close to zero. I would also say if during SHTF you managed to get yourself in more than 10 fire fights you are doing something VERY wrong! Thats my story and I am sticking to it.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 1:09:09 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: OneWingedShark

Sad part is that #5 is carrying all of 1-4 on our backs.


30 posted on 07/25/2014 1:11:13 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: sportutegrl

Ha, ha!


31 posted on 07/25/2014 1:12:11 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Kartographer
There are a great many here on FR who would be most disappointed in the truth.

I think a lot of us preppers are like you. I have more ammo, but that's probably because my range time is quarterly. I have an all wheel drive but only because of snow and ice. My vehicle would quickly bottom out in an off road situation.

32 posted on 07/25/2014 1:12:30 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

As to the odors and noxious fumes.... I assume the HOA is also clamping down on anyone who dares to paint or re-stain their decks or fences. Also some yard service treatments emit odors that might be offensive to some sensitivities.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 1:13:06 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Starstruck; Vendome

Great now with your guys help I managed to hijack my own Thread!!!! ;-)


34 posted on 07/25/2014 1:15:15 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; Kartographer
That environment is disturbed if someone turns their garage into a woodshop or furniture factory.

It hardly sounds like this guy has a 'factory' It is at a hobbyist level. Heck, one can complain about bbq (smokey air and odors) just as much. HOA's get more than their share of power hungry liberal/progressives who want them to obey them no matter what. The HOA needs to stand down - this guy is doing it for a good cause - it appears the HOA is anti-military.

35 posted on 07/25/2014 1:16:21 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: SandRat

“Another reason to HATE Homeowners Associations. “

Then don’t join one.

BTW I happen to live near a large complex, with a woodshop among its many amenities. A friend of mine is member of a group there, that makes toys for children.

I know it is difficult to grasp, but people buy in planned communities, partly for the “order” they present.

You won’t have a neighbor up into all hours of the night, gunning the engine of his hot-rod project in his garage.

Or neighbors failing to mow and water the lawn. Or a neighbor turning his garage, into a shop.

Every person signed up for association rules when they bought.

If they don’t like the rules, they can sell and locate elsewhere.


36 posted on 07/25/2014 1:17:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Kartographer

I have no sympathies for anyone running afoul of homeowners
associations. If you don’t want to deal with them, don’t buy a house in one.


37 posted on 07/25/2014 1:17:51 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I agree. At first I almost went into default mode for stories like this, that say the Veteran is almost always in the right, but not this one. If he’s really that good, to make furniture, he should be able to rent or borrow space in a facility that is away from private residences. Not everybody wants to hear all that noise after working hours or during the weekend, regardless of the reason. Last week, there was another Vet pressing his luck. He has 14 (FOURTEEN DUCKS!) white Companion ducks, and he is being pressured to get rid of them or some. Unless he’s on a ranch, 14 ducks or geese is too much. He is pushing the courtesy too far. I’m sure I will hear from those who disagree, as is their choice.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 1:18:05 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Bubba_Leroy

I manage a HOA with 1900 homes. This would be called a home occupation and the complainant would be told that nothing could be done to stop someone from enjoying their home occupation. What happens when he has to paint his house? The yard furniture? The fence? Sounds like he has an angry neighbor close by to me.


39 posted on 07/25/2014 1:19:27 PM PDT by lakeman (Semper Fi)
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To: mass55th

His neighbors have written letters of support, so I wonder who is pushing this.

If he has that much support they should get themselves elected to the board and then amend the rules.


40 posted on 07/25/2014 1:22:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kartographer

Strange they’ve suddenly decided to go after him 10 years later. Unless there has been a new rule added to the HOA rule book, then they probably don’t have a leg to stand on if he wanted to pursue it.

Bottom line, NEVER EVER move into an HOA.


41 posted on 07/25/2014 1:23:05 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Kartographer
"There are a great many here on FR who would be most disappointed in the truth."

42 posted on 07/25/2014 1:24:03 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Kartographer

Grenades and rocket launchers

Oh and a heavily armed fleet of drones...

Not women. The kind that fly....

It’s a joke Ladies!


43 posted on 07/25/2014 1:24:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Moonman62

They should get elected to the board and make the COMPLAINER’s life a living hell...

no... that would be wrong.


44 posted on 07/25/2014 1:26:52 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Vendome

Hey a couple of these might come in handy!!
45 posted on 07/25/2014 1:28:51 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I think there is a loony in the HOA, that is behind this, and probably because, there is a furniture business or something like that.

Have ya noticed that it is becmoning a trend, for these worthless HOA’s to start any kind of trouble, with a vet, for any reason that crawls inside their alimentary canal?


46 posted on 07/25/2014 1:29:25 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Kartographer
Great now with your guys help I managed to hijack my own Thread!!!! ;-)

I like to think my neighbor's cars won't fit in the garage because of all the food, guns and ammo he has stored.

47 posted on 07/25/2014 1:30:56 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: sportutegrl

Very cool.


48 posted on 07/25/2014 1:33:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: oh8eleven

I agree with you. There is also the possibility that someone might be trying to sell a nearby home and finding it difficult with all the noise being generated. I would not want to live next door to someone making racket day in and day out. I laud the vet for what he’s doing, but if he’s run afoul of the rules by which he agreed to abide, then he’s in the wrong.


49 posted on 07/25/2014 1:35:49 PM PDT by Marty
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To: SandRat

Can not understand why anyone would buy a house that is part of a Homeowners Association. Homeowners Association ate run by little tin generals who expect their sl;aves to bow down before their commands.


50 posted on 07/25/2014 1:37:10 PM PDT by chiefqc
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