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To: Obadiah

Isn’t that the OT God, not the NT God? Serious question.

I’ve asked many here, where does Jesus talk about going on the offensive physically (hands on), not spiritually? I’ve never got a straight answer. Turning over tables does not count.

I believe it is a question few Christians have the courage to look into.


173 posted on 02/03/2015 10:19:27 AM PST by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat

The New Testament does not elaborate much of a doctrine of war. There is a mention of policing in Romans 13.

I think this is because the New Testament isn’t a book of advice to secular societies. It is a counsel to believers and potential believers.


187 posted on 02/03/2015 10:23:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: roofgoat
◄ Luke 22:36 ►

New International Version

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

191 posted on 02/03/2015 10:25:09 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: roofgoat

God said “Vengeance is Mine”

and when God does it He doesn’t play patty cake..

He has gone all nuclear on His enemies in the past..

think Sodom, Gomorrah..

Even our best deadly weapons don’t have the capability to annihilate all of them in one swift blow like God can...


192 posted on 02/03/2015 10:25:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: roofgoat

>> where does Jesus talk about going on the offensive physically (hands on), not spiritually? I’ve never got a straight answer.

Jesus never talks about or encourages us, His followers, to go hands on on the offensive, of our own accord.

Paul makes plain that our battle is not with flesh and blood, but with evil in the heavenly plane (Ephesians 6).

The Hebrew writer emphasizes that “Vengeance is Mine; *I* will repay” (saith the LORD).

However... John describes clearly in The Revelation how, UNDER THE DIRECT LEADERSHIP of JESUS, the triumphant KING, we who are Jesus’ followers will battle and annihilate the forces of satan.

Thought question: what physical form do you think those forces of satan will take? Could they manifest as followers of islam? That’s what I believe (with Scriptural evidence).

But triumph over islam will not occur by our own hand. Only under the leadership of our LORD.


237 posted on 02/03/2015 10:45:16 AM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: roofgoat

Good question. At the founding of our country I know God inspired many Christian people to rise up against the British.

I don’t think people are afraid to answer this question, I think many simply do not know. Here’s my take, God is a God who communicates. He desires to communicate with us. I believe that when the time is right, or at with the right situation, I believe God will begin to lay a burden on the hearts of those who are listening to Him.

Each situation is different, but at the right time God will begin to lay a burden on people to take a specific course of action. They may or may not then seek more clarity from God about this “burden”, but that’s how I see things beginning.

I have no inside knowledge, but I think the band is beginning to warm up for a big show. For me, I want to adhere closely to Jeremiah 33:3 so I know what is required of me at the right time. It won’t be a mystery, and we won’t have to guess what to do. It will be a conviction of our heart.


263 posted on 02/03/2015 10:54:25 AM PST by Obadiah (Wind turbines, aka: bird choppers, cause earthquakes due to their harmonic frequencies.)
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To: roofgoat

Why do you think Jesus said if you don’t have money to buy a sword, to sell even your cloak and buy one? That was directed at us individually.

Why do you think in Romans 13:4 we are collectively warned that government is intended for our good but for those who do evil it does not bear the sword in vain?

We’re not to start anything, but if those who seek to do evil start it we certainly have a right to finish it, not in a proud or boastful way as muslims kill people but as servants doing what must be one.


305 posted on 02/03/2015 11:23:13 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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