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Windows 10 bombshell: Microsoft to KILL OFF Patch Tuesday
The Register ^ | May 4, 2015 | Iain Thomson

Posted on 05/05/2015 8:55:08 PM PDT by dayglored

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To: dennisw; daniel1212
> Maybe I should get an SSD?

I strongly encourage you to get an SSD. They're terrific.

You say you need a TB or so. If you don't want to spring for a 1TB SSD, think about maybe getting a 500GB SSD and augmenting that with an inexpensive USB external drive. I doubt you really need to have a TB of blindingly fast access.

61 posted on 05/06/2015 7:58:28 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dennisw

All you need is one of these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-External-Hard-Disk-HDD-USB-2-0-To-IDE-SATA-2-5-3-5-Converter-Adapter-Cable-/301619452200?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4639eb9928

You make sure the jumper is at Master. Carefully plug in the female 3.5 side of the adapter cable (the USB cable end will by at the opposite end of the Molex power receptacle), lining up the pins, where the ribbon cable would normally go to. Then connect the power cable from your PC. Then plug in the USB and wait for Windows to configure it so it appears in Explorer.

Of course, if your optical drive is IDE then you can put a HD in there. If dealing with more than one IDE drive then you need to set one of them to Master vs. Slave.

The adapter cable also enables connecting another SATA drive.

Note that you can turn any PSU into a stand alone power supply by placing a paper clip into.. well as here: http://www.dvhardware.net/modules.php?name=Sections&sop=viewarticle&artid=5


62 posted on 05/07/2015 4:50:00 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: dayglored
Bombshell?


63 posted on 05/07/2015 4:59:10 AM PDT by McGruff (What did Hillary know and when did she know it?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If it works, why update it?

It is a good idea to stop the churn and not lose apps that work that are now being turned into "cloud" services with a monthly fee.

Once your system is old enough it won't be a target for hackers anymore. The old exploits will still be around but those can easily be ID'd by signature.

64 posted on 05/07/2015 5:05:32 AM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: dayglored
I strongly encourage you to get an SSD. They're terrific.

At 100.00 just for 250gb they are too high. Right now i am hoping to get another mobo as i think i broke mine, or the cpu, trying to get the heat sink (cleaned it) back on the ASRock 970 Extreme 3 i had.

I did it many times now but all that happens is that it begins to boot but i get nothing more than a black screen, and no HD activity.

For less than the price of a 120GB SSD (56 .00) one could get a pretty good Micro ATX mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128565

But I do think 120GB is enough to install Windows 10 on. Put the data on another, though that still means slower access times for that.

65 posted on 05/07/2015 5:19:29 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
I did it many times now but all that happens is that it begins to boot but i get nothing more than a black screen, and no HD activity.

Any chance you've pinched a fan wire, and the PS is detecting an overload and shutting down?

66 posted on 05/07/2015 5:24:45 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dayglored

I will not bother you anymore about this. Your logic is very sensible. The higher ups at Microsoft could have had a start button update that was like Start8 to correct all this. But they refused. Pretty self destructive and company destructive. The Cupertino crowd (gay Apple bon vivants) prolly had lots of good laughs over these MS blockheads refusing to do a simple start button correction on Win 8 for the “legacy” crowd


67 posted on 05/07/2015 6:51:03 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw
> I will not bother you anymore about this.

Spoken like a gentleman (as Monty Python would say). Thanks. :)

> Your logic is very sensible. The higher ups at Microsoft could have had a start button update that was like Start8 to correct all this. But they refused. Pretty self destructive and company destructive.

Yep. That would have avoided some of the mess, though as I said above, the "Start Button" is only the tip of the iceberg. There's the entire "Start Menu", and all the navigational tools that are part of it. I would have made a Win7-like desktop the default, and let the Metro stuff be an option. The folks who wanted gaudy Play-Skool tiles could have them, and the rest of us could get work done.

I should emphasize that the Metro tiles DO work really well on a small handheld mobile device. On a multi-touch touchscreen I rather like it, in fact. Problem is, desktops don't have touchscreens.

My personal diagnosis of the debacle is that Ballmer's echo-chamber marketing crowd got themselves convinced that a) gaudy Play-Skool tiles were the wave of the future for the desktop as well as the handhelds, and b) Microsoft could force anything down their desktop users' throats with impunity. Both assumptions were incorrect.

> The Cupertino crowd (gay Apple bon vivants) prolly had lots of good laughs over these MS blockheads refusing to do a simple start button correction on Win 8 for the “legacy” crowd.

Yep. And not just laughs -- the Apple crew watched in glee as Mac computers and devices experienced a considerable increase in popularity as people shunned Windows 8 machines.

Well, onward and upward into the new world of Windows 10...!

68 posted on 05/07/2015 7:11:31 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored
My personal diagnosis of the debacle is that Ballmer's echo-chamber marketing crowd got themselves convinced that a) gaudy Play-Skool tiles were the wave of the future for the desktop as well as the handhelds, and b) Microsoft could force anything down their desktop users' throats with impunity. Both assumptions were incorrect.

I am repeating myself  but there actually was a logic in forcing the tiles down the throats of the desktop and laptop users. The MS honchos wanted the same Play Skool look everywhere and I mean everywhere including MicroSoft websites. All of their websites were given that Play Skool look

This all has to brainwashing consumers into easily identifying a Microsoft product when they see one. Creating an immediately identifiable eco-system same as Apple has. Microsoft was copying Apple here. I have no idea what the MS logo looks like but I know the Apple logo..... Steve Jobs genius was pulling younger, urban, suburban consumers into the Apple eco-system starting with iPods when they are 10 years old. I remember about 10 years ago when ipods where at a premium around Christmas time and every spoiled brat in America demanded one for Christmas

69 posted on 05/07/2015 7:28:53 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dayglored

For some real fun check out how the older record companies are buying into the music streaming companies and re-establishing some supremacy.

Seems people are too dead-arse lazy to download and organize into a Sansa or an Ipod. They prefer to deal with their music “needs” via streaming into their smartFone. I get why this is all done but.......


70 posted on 05/07/2015 7:33:43 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw
> I am repeating myself but there actually was a logic in forcing the tiles down the throats of the desktop and laptop users. The MS honchos wanted the same Play Skool look everywhere and I mean everywhere including MicroSoft websites. All of their websites were given that Play Skool look... This all has to brainwashing consumers into easily identifying a Microsoft product when they see one. Creating an immediately identifiable eco-system same as Apple has.

Yep, you are dead-on right, Dennis. I'd forgotten about the websites taking on that same look... very good point.

Well, the ultra-simplistic new Windows logo is becoming ubquitous, that's for sure.

I wonder how long it will be before somebody realizes that if you rotate it 90-degrees clockwise, it becomes a Crusader shield with a Cross?

Won't that please the Muzzie-loving Liberal crowd?

71 posted on 05/07/2015 7:47:06 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored
Yep. That would have avoided some of the mess, though as I said above, the "Start Button" is only the tip of the iceberg. There's the entire "Start Menu", and all the navigational tools that are part of it. I would have made a Win7-like desktop the default, and let the Metro stuff be an option. The folks who wanted gaudy Play-Skool tiles could have them, and the rest of us could get work done.

"while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant" -The Architect

The UI is the last, and most cosmetic layer in the OS stack, and consequently the one that's the most easily replaced. Some manifestations of the OS don't even bother with it at all.

72 posted on 05/07/2015 7:59:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
> The UI is the last, and most cosmetic layer in the OS stack, and consequently the one that's the most easily replaced. Some manifestations of the OS don't even bother with it at all.

Indeed! And hence my sad frustration with the failure of Windows 8 to catch on. The underlying OS was fine, in fact it was an improvement over Win7 in some ways (speed, footprint). If only Microsoft had not been so headstrong about destroying the old UI, all would have been well.

As as you say, the UI the most easily replaced component -- yet the vast majority of Windows users never change it. They barely customize their environment at all. Damn few ever customized Win7, or XP before that. They suffer with the default, whatever somebody gives them.

I think most users treat their computers like their cars. Damn few consumers customize their cars. So imagine if a major car maker came out one year with a total change to the car's UI -- say, they took out the steering wheel and replaced it with a joystick -- you know what the reaction of the consumers would be.

It wouldn't matter how "COOL" or "MODERN" it was. Nobody but the fanatics would put up with it.

73 posted on 05/07/2015 9:05:09 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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Any chance you've pinched a fan wire, and the PS is detecting an overload and shutting down?

No, as the only actual change was that of the fan adjusting its speed. The HS is well seated, and I am using a good paste, and there is no shutdown. Meanwhile, if it was the graphics then i would get some HD sounds, while i have tried switching ram sticks with no change, no activity, just the ever blank screen with fans running.

I am not sure if it is the AMD 6350 CPU, which i did remove and reseat correctly, or the mobo, though i am leaning toward the latter.

I have read about it being hard to get clips on some HS, and i have to loosen the screws a bit to get the clips on this one, but it is secure.

Thanks for taking an interest!. I thank God for any willing to help.

The mobo at issue is a AS Rock 970 Extreme 3 with a AMD 6350 (3.9GHZ) CPU, and 8GB ram (2 sticks).

I am now using a 2004 Sony RA840G with a 2.8GHZ, 4gb cpu, running WTP 32 bit, ver. 10074

74 posted on 05/07/2015 11:25:51 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: dennisw
If you were to buy a new hard drive now what would you get? What is the most reliable that will not die. I don’t need tons of storage. 1TB or less is OK

Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST1000DM003) Looks good. >

75 posted on 05/07/2015 4:50:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Thanks for the advice!


76 posted on 05/08/2015 7:52:32 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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