Picture a Leader. Is She a Woman?

New York Times ^ | 3/16/2018 | Heather Murphy

[nopardons]

All, that's ALL...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM, who wind up being kings and queens, are ONLY there because of birth! Ergo, your first reaction is not just wrong, but factually inaccurate. Even Queen Elizabeth I's seat of power, is NOT due, at all, to her father, but to her grandfather, though through a "war", it was also "genetic"/line of succession through the blood of an ancestor/ancestress. :-)

The "HOLY TRIUMVIRATE" of the late 20th century; a repeat of which is badly need now.

[Bodleian_Girl]

Ok, is that bad?

Male leaders?

That seems like the gold standard to me.

[nopardons]

All, that's ALL...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM, who wind up being kings and queens, are ONLY there because of birth! Ergo, your first reaction is not just wrong, but factually inaccurate. Even Queen Elizabeth I's seat of power, is NOT due, at all, to her father, but to her grandfather, though through a "war", it was also "genetic"/line of succession through the blood of an ancestor/ancestress. :-)

The "HOLY TRIUMVIRATE" of the late 20th century; a repeat of which is badly need now.

[Bodleian_Girl]

She’s still going to be weaker than a man.

[Tax-chick]

True, true. But on the other hand, some great leaders lead millions to very bad outcomes, indicating that “leadership,” in itself, is a morally neutral quality, as are intelligence, artistic talent, and other characteristics of human beings. “Leadership,” like “choice,” is good only if the object is good.

[nopardons]

Thanks! :-)

[Tax-chick]

She’s still going to be weaker than a man.

In what way? Even if we're speaking only of physical strength, every man is not stronger than every woman. Some women are stronger than some men. You'd pick some male squish over the Iron Lady? Why?

[Bodleian_Girl]

I think Queen Victoria was very dependent on Prince Albert.

After he died she seems to have lost the plot.

[Reily]

Albert is an unsung hero of the British Empire!

[Bodleian_Girl]

Think of it, she was only a good leader in that she mimicked male and male leadership traits.

She didn’t rise to her position by emphasizing her female nature.

[Bodleian_Girl]

I agree. He was quite steady.

[Some Fat Guy in L.A.]

I’ve only had one female boss in my career. She was by far the worst - totally ineffective as a leader so having to resort to fear to manage. She was also a flaming moonbat libtard, which probably had more to do with it than her sex. We didn’t get along well at all.

[Tax-chick]

That's where we differ. I think all qualities are part of human nature, accessible equally to men and women, depending on their personal abilities, and enacted in their cultural circumstances. The qualities themselves, such as leadership, are positive or negative depending on how they are used in specific circumstances.

I reject the premise that all positive qualities are masculine and all negative qualities are feminine.

[Bodleian_Girl]

It’s not attaching a positive or a negative to your God/given characteristics and nature.

It’s just a fact of life.

Napoleon might have had to deal with being short, but he also never had a week of weepy, b*tchy PMS to contend with followed by a week of the discomfort and nuisance of a period.

Imagine, on the battlefield, having to handle that!

If Napoleon were female, he would have been hamstrung 2weeks out of every 4, for the majority of his leadership years.

I think you can apply that across the board, no?

[Torahman]

You are right! There is a reason why men have, throughout history, been in the seat of leadership and power: because they should be.

[Bodleian_Girl]

And they are physically more capable.

[Bellflower]

But think how many men have been extremely horrible leaders, murderous, corrupt and insane. We can’t just look at Hillary and draw the line. There have been plenty of good conservative women leaders.

Women haven’t been leaders for very long. Most don’t know how. Often they are worried about how to get ahead and they are all twisted up in the emotion department in how to keep their position. They get jealous easily. After more years they may be able to settle into being leaders, without thinking that they always have to prove themselves, and don’t really belong there. Some women are already decent leaders, just not too many.

That being said, in marriages women are very often leaders, and often pretty good ones. They shouldn’t be, but they are. Many men seem to want a mommy, rather than a wife and are content with women leadership. I would guess that as children they didn’t have to do anything to help out much, except go to school, which they now equate with their job.

[Tax-chick]

You see, that’s the “gender goggles.” If Napoleon’s problem wasn’t being a woman, then what caused the defeat of the fleet at Aboukir? Why did he invade Russia and lose 90% of the Grand Armee? What about Waterloo?

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[Secret Agent Man]

Nope.

[chris37]

Innate leadership qualities, generally speaking, don’t exist in females. They are extremely rare in men as well. Leaders are rare. In my lifetime, I believe I’ve seen two actual leaders, Reagan and Trump.

But I should warn you in advance, Bellflower, just for the sake of honesty, I am a very proud sexist pig, I don’t have a wife, likely never will, because I am just not willing to give up my freedom, and I prefer to spend almost all of my free time with dogs. So, there we go, take my opinion for what its worth.