Posted on 12/17/2018 3:17:03 PM PST by CincyRichieRich
Folks, we are at a cross roads...there are no Hannity, Rush, or Beck bombshells to help PDJT. The Fed does its thing tomorrow, and I am not hopeful of Powell backing off a rate hike. The market is being pushed down by hedge fund managers (not little ones, BIG billionaire ones), Steyer, Soros, Buffet (yes, him, too), the Fed, etc.
They will raise rates and we'll be tanking for more days on end, and, some Freepers will say it's just over-valued and continue to pretend.
Does anyone think the market isn't being tanked to prepare for 2020?
Let's say Justice Roberts was blackmailed.
Let's say many congressmen were blackmailed after the unmasking, bugging by Obama, NSA, etc.
Let's say Sessions was threatened.
Let's say Jerome Powell gets threatened by a paid fixer from one of the aforementioned Soros-esque outfits.
To whom will Powell go for justice, protection and such?
The FBI? The DOJ?
Really???
Unless PDJT has some trump cards/aces in the hole, I don't see how we get back to him being on top...right now, I am deeply troubled.
This thread is needed; I hope someone can pull me out of this pit.
I thought rate hikes come on Wednesdays?
Stock brokers/investment managers like to claim that the market averages 7% per year, long term.
At 7% per year, it will double roughly every decade.
Given that the DJIA was around 1000 in 1980, at 7% per year, it should hit 16000 around 2020.
It could drop 8000 and be where it should be given the historical average.
Would have people jumping out of windows, but it would be where the long-term average would have it.
Then how’d he win?
I thought rate hikes come on Wednesdays?...
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Ok, thanks...for the correction...that gives PDJT one more say to figure out how to free Jerome Powell from his blackmail.
During Obama we had a falsely inflated market driven by unchecked printing of money to hand out to Wall Street at zero interest so they could by buy bonds and turn a 4% profit in a year. But, people were hurting and business was down across the land.
Stock brokers/investment managers like to claim that the market averages 7% per year, long term.
At 7% per year, it will double roughly every decade.
Given that the DJIA was around 1000 in 1980, at 7% per year, it should hit 16000 around 2020.
It could drop 8000 and be where it should be given the historical average.
Would have people jumping out of windows, but it would be where the long-term average would have it.
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Give me your best explanation why it is tanking day after day.
8 years of Obama at 0% Fed Funds rate.
Trump gets in; suddenly we are going to 3%
This is orchestrated.
I’ve done this professionally for 26 yrs...
Dude, sit down, breathe....
Then how’d he win?
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They simply underestimated their need for fraudulent votes.pure and simple...They also arrogantly believed their polls, like 538.
I just tell my friends what did you think would happen when you turn the house over to Dems?
This is about what you would expect, if you understand how trading has been in the past ten years. The massive overvaluation we have had was dependent on rock-bottom interest rates.
If you don’t have rock-bottom interest rates, then stocks will have to stand on their own two feet. That is not going to happen at these valuations.
Over the past 10 years, capital has been grossly misallocated into financial-engineering trades that provide high returns at little risk. As these trades unwind, that will put selling pressure on stocks.
What happens when stocks start to go down? Hedge funds and institutional traders who bought on the dips and shorted the VIX will lose their shirt. When they need money to pay their creditors and meet margin calls, they will have to sell all their stocks, good and bad. That’s how the cleansing cycle of the market works. It is painful in the short term, unless you happen to have cash and can buy good companies at low prices.
Popping bubble?
I am usually the most optimistic one here. 500+ points per day off the market ad infinitum is scary.
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NO, what’s scary is the everything bubble continuing.. credit is going bad , RE is dropping .. What do you expect? we’re going into a recession or depression..
Good grief.
Why do people think the years of the Fed supporting Obama’s debt by keeping int rates low was free?
We’re paying for it now- as anyone could have seen we would.
Makes Treasuries a better investment vis a vis the market.
I’ve done this professionally for 26 yrs...
Dude, sit down, breathe....
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Me, 30 yrs.
Never had such hair trigger algorithms mixed with angry cabal billionaires who make more $$$when socialists run the government. You cannot say you have ever been here with 3.7% unemployment and the U.S.kicking such economic butt and have a market tank like this...no sir, you cannot say that.
Yes, it’s scary but only if you sell into it. A ten percent drop in the Dow is considered a correction. Think of it as Wall Street having a sale.
I won’t tap my IRA for another year, by which time this current drop will have been erased. IOW, I sleep at night just fine.
Market has been overvalued for quite a while, this overvaluation masked by huge stock buybacks which distort true value based on earnings. Rising rates and poor growth overseas are the cause, rest is just BS. A value again at 2400 on S&P
Historically, stocks returned ten percent a year and bonds five percent. It does seem to be less the last twenty years, though.
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