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1 posted on 06/27/2020 8:34:23 AM PDT by ransomnote
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The opposing viewpoint:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/21/880832213/yes-wearing-masks-helps-heres-why?utm_source=pocket-newtab

So, I guess, pay your money and take your choice?


2 posted on 06/27/2020 8:45:08 AM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no justice until The PIAPS is legally executed)
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The only thing a mask does is keep your exhalations from being dispersed over a wide area. As far as intake...... Yeah, not so much. For intakes with all these masks, it ain’t a HEPA filter. And all the folks wearing the home made masks and bandanas? How often do they get cleaned/sanitized? As far as outside, pretty sure our friend Mr. Sun tosses out some UV rays that will take care of the nasties floating around.


3 posted on 06/27/2020 8:50:14 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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If a mask wearer sneezes or coughs, the mask captures some, but not all, of the mucus.

The mask protects the wearer against dirty looks.

That's about it.

6 posted on 06/27/2020 8:54:01 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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Another case of a headline that doesn't match the article.

The article does not even argue that face masks don't work, just that their adoption was based on a common-sense idea (catching droplets that could contain TB) that has not been proven.

The correct headline would be:

"Medical Officials Assume Face Masks Work But That Has Not Been Proven."

7 posted on 06/27/2020 8:55:16 AM PDT by edwinland
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It’s about 1000 x smaller than a grain of sand measured in microns. The mask thing is just a “respectful” measure the way I see it. The true way to battle this is for it to run its course and have science work a way to kill it or at least control it. I work in a mask for 10 hours a day and it’s not easy.


12 posted on 06/27/2020 9:10:31 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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The article (from 2016) is accurate in that there are no controlled clinical studies showing the effectiveness of the masks.

Yet Dr Faucci wears his mask and tells us we also should.

There are no controlled clinical studies showing the effectiveness (or lack) by taking HCl+Zinc at the first sign of COVID-19, although there are significant positive results reported by good doctors.

Yet Dr Faucci warns us against HCl.

Hmmmmm ... ... ... I wonder why we don’t trust Dr Faucci.


15 posted on 06/27/2020 9:11:23 AM PDT by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of three generations.)
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Our government(s) lie to us on a daily basis. The lies about masks are just more examples of their insidious lying.

JoMa


27 posted on 06/27/2020 9:24:27 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks.)
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Bkmk


30 posted on 06/27/2020 9:38:15 AM PDT by sauropod (Quarantine is when you restrict sick people, tyranny is when you restrict healthy people.)
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39 posted on 06/27/2020 10:03:52 AM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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It is actually dangerous to your health to wear face masks. The following is a report of an ad hoc experiment performed on average citizens donning face masks following a public meeting, using a blood oximeter to test for blood oxygen with and without face masks.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, Orange County (California) residents turned out en masse to the Board of Supervisors meeting to protest the mandatory mask order. At the meeting the health officer provided zero medical-scientific data that mandatory mask-wearing was safe, particularly during summertime high temperatures, or in the context of young children - nor could he provide any study showing mask-wearing is effective at containing viral transmission in order to combat the myriad studies showing it is NOT effective at viral containment.

At the meeting numerous doctors, attorneys, educators, psychologists, parents, and concerned residents cited medical studies on the harms from mask-wearing. So upset were these residents by the failure of the health officer to rescind the medically-unsubstantiated mandatory mask order - which intransigent position also drew hours of heavy fire from the Supervisors - or even to provide any studies showing efficacy of mask-wearing, that the residents proceeded to go outside onto the steps of the County Hall, at noon, in the 100 degree heat, and put on the "mandated masks" while using a Pulse Oximeter to measure their oxygen levels and heart rate.

The results were nothing short of horrifying:

ALL of the individuals had their oxygen rate drop from a healthy 98 or 99% (without the mask) - a total of five, ten, and sometimes twenty full points - within a few minutes of mask-wearing. Medically, below 92% is considered "dangerous" - while below 90% oxygen merits a denomination of "hypoxemic" The AVERAGE drop of these OC residents in oxygenation was more than 12 points, into the hypoxemic range.

Two of the participants, one a very fit daily runner, and one a very fit nurse, had their oxygen rates drop into the 70s - where organ damage, systems failure, and death can occur. ALL participants suffered dangerous drops in oxygen: 43% fell into the "dangerous" zone, 29% in the hypoxemic zone, and 29% fell into the extremely dangerous hypoxemic zone (where cardiac arrest, organ failure and death occur.) Even those who just stood around in the masks doing absolutely nothing had frightening drops in oxygen levels. As context, most of the participants were in decently good health, and not overweight. I'm sure I don't need to extrapolate for the reader what could happen if this test were performed with an average cross section of citizens, i.e., with the nearly 40% of OC residents who suffer from at least one chronic health condition, and with the more than 20% of OC residents who are obese. It is a striking juxtaposition to note that Medicare and most insurance companies will pay for people with oxygen rates of less than 88% to get supplemental oxygen and all carriers and health experts advise you to seek immediate medical intervention below 88% - and the average oxygen rate was two points less than that at 86% after only a few minutes of mask-wearing.

Given the data from yesterday, let me underscore once more in no uncertain terms, and in language that is absolutely unmistakable: the liability that an OC School District or Board will be facing if it mandates mask-wearing for students or teachers is truly incalculable, in the event the mask-wearing causes a drop in oxygen (which we now know it likely will), which then leads to a medical complication or death. We have no idea what will happen to children who are made to wear masks in the triple digit weather of mid-August, but my guess is that their systems, being less developed and often more sensitive -- compounded by the fact that children are notoriously poor at self-regulation and are traditionally MUCH more active than adults -- will fare very badly indeed. Recent headlines have made quite clear that death of children and losses of consciousness can and do occur: https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/two-boys-drop-dead-in-china-while-wearing-masks-during-gym-class/

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/two-schoolboys-collapse-and-die-just-six-days-apart-in-china-while-wearing-face-masks-c-1017871t659l

https://nypost.com/2020/04/24/driver-crashes-car-after-passing-out-from-wearing-n95-mask/

. Let me now turn to the original reason for writing this email, which was to provide you a Summary of Medical Data (June 2020) from Switzerland, which further throws into serious question why educational agencies would make any changes to school protocols - if we are not similarly prepared to make massive overhauls based on the flu season each year (which seasonal flu actually affects children more than COVID does):

Also, New England Journal of Medicine notes that masking is ineffective in community settings, and that even in healthcare arenas, it's highest and best use is not to reduce viral transmission but people's anxiety:

Finally, the World Health Organization came out yesterday (June 8, 2020), concluding in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that asymptomatic patients are NOT spreaders of the virus, which simply confirmed what earlier studies in May had found. Accordingly, we should NOT be worried that Little Johnny is going to catch the virus and bring Covid home to kill Grandma. Put simply: masking and social distancing are unnecessary, will create more medical and psychological damage than benefit, and are unneeded as healthy people and asymptomatic positive people DO NOT SPREAD THE VIRUS (so just keep the sneezy-coughers out of class -- which is standard -- and we will be just fine):

Sincerely,
Leigh Dundas, Esq.


42 posted on 06/27/2020 10:06:17 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigotu)
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just saw this this morning

(Not advocating for masks- just thought the article was interesting- seems Israel has been on the forefront of all kinds of breakthroughs in medicine and science- )

Israeli mask ‘gives 99 percent virus safety’
An early test conducted at a lab in Shanghai found the fabric used in the masks neutralised an overwhelming majority of the coronavirus

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/israel-startup-expects-reusable-mask-will-be-able-to-neutralise-99-of-covid-19/

This wasn’t the article i had read- the other one stated the masks could be washed ‘100’s of times and still be as effective’

This could be a huge breakthrough for medical peeps


45 posted on 06/27/2020 10:09:46 AM PDT by Bob434
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This article is Fake Science.


47 posted on 06/27/2020 10:12:58 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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the masks are a whopping $200 plus for just 5- supposed to last only about a year-

here’s a site that sells them IF anyone who works in medical field or health centers or around lots of folks from all over (like stores) or whatever is interested- -

https://sonoviatech.com/product/sonomask-adult-size-anti-bactrial-adjustable-reusable-dual-layer-face-masks-washable-covers-with-antimicrobial-protection-every-wear/


50 posted on 06/27/2020 10:14:56 AM PDT by Bob434
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They fail to distinguish between surgical and n95s or greater. It’s a bullshit argument.


53 posted on 06/27/2020 10:18:46 AM PDT by willfulknowledge
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Transmission of COVID-19 virus by droplets and aerosols: A critical review on the unresolved dichotomy

Scroll down to section 5 if you're in a hurry.

57 posted on 06/27/2020 10:24:28 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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A company that makes ear loop masks, tells its users, their mask will not protect users from
Corona 19 Viruses:

https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/XGdfOknn.jpeg


139 posted on 06/28/2020 4:19:37 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Preserve the American way of life! All lives Matter!)
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What masks do very effectively is to make anyone who wears them look like they belong in a sick ward. Mask-wearing is an extraordinarily successful tactic by the Democrat/Left to maintain an elevated level of (increasingly irrational) fear, of distrust, of depression and of anger among the population which retards our economic recovery and which, regardless of how weak the Chinese Flu becomes, will likely extend to the first Tuesday in November ... and you damn well know why!


141 posted on 06/29/2020 10:34:55 AM PDT by glennaro (Prager: “Until it's safe" means "Never")
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That article has been pulled from the oral health site.


143 posted on 07/06/2020 9:31:31 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3804407/posts?q=1&;page=61)
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