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Scientists say their device can pull water from the air to create green hydrogen
AsiaOne ^ | SEPTEMBER 06, 2022 | Holly Chik

Posted on 09/12/2022 5:14:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway

An international team of scientists say they have found a new way to extract water from bone-dry air to produce hydrogen, which they call “the ultimate clean energy”. Unsplash

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An international team of scientists say they have found a new way to extract water from bone-dry air to produce hydrogen, which they call “the ultimate clean energy”.

The researchers said the device could be used in an arid environment where relative humidity was as low as 4 per cent — meaning green hydrogen could potentially be created without using liquid water.

Average relative humidity is around 20 per cent, for example, in the Sahel desert in Africa and Uluru in the Central Australian desert.

“Moisture in the air can directly be used for hydrogen production via electrolysis, owing to its universal availability and natural inexhaustibility,” the researchers wrote in a paper published in peer-reviewed journal Nature Communications on Tuesday (Sept 6).

The team of chemical engineers — from the University of Melbourne, University of Manchester and Chinese Academy of Sciences — said there were 13 trillion tonnes of water in the air at any moment. Electrolysis is the process of using electricity to split water into oxygen and hydrogen. When the process is powered by renewable electricity, the green hydrogen is “the most promising energy carrier of the low-carbon economy”, the scientists said.

Hydrogen can also be used as a storage medium for energy that is not continuously available, such as solar, wind and tidal power, they said.

But a global geographic mismatch between renewables distribution and fresh water supply makes it difficult to produce hydrogen in places where drinking water is a priority, according to the paper.

It pointed to North Africa, West and Central Asia, Midwest Oceania and the southwest of North America as areas where there is a shortage of fresh water but potential for solar and wind power.

To overcome the problem of not having enough water to create hydrogen, the scientists designed a device that uses porous materials — like a melamine sponge — soaked in electrolytes to absorb moisture from the air. It then splits the captured liquid water into hydrogen and oxygen. That process could be powered by a solar panel, a wind turbine or other renewable generators.

The team’s prototype machine is 1 square metre and can produce 93 litres of hydrogen per hour, according to the study. The device was tested to produce hydrogen of high purity for more than 12 days in a row at 40 per cent relative humidity without any liquid water added.

Study co-author Fan Xiaolei, from the University of Manchester’s chemical engineering department, said the device had several advantages.

“A lot of places with abundant renewable energy sources have limited water supply. Instead of competing for scarce drinking water, the device collects water from the air – which can hardly be used by humans anyway — to produce hydrogen,” he said.

“The production process also makes use of excess renewable energy, which could go to waste if not stored or sent to power grids when they have reached maximum capacities.”

Fan said the development could also be significant for chemical makers that use green hydrogen as a feedstock and renewable energy to reduce their carbon footprint, giving ammonia production as an example.

Hu Guoping, a researcher with the Ganjiang Innovation Academy at the Chinese Academy of Sciences and also a co-author of the study, said hydrogen could potentially be transported to cities via gas pipelines when the device is scaled up.

“When China reduces the share of natural gas in its energy mix in the coming decades, the existing pipeline network can be used to transport hydrogen from the west to the eastern coastal cities,” he said. “At a smaller size, the device can be run in remote areas to power daily life.”

Lead author Kevin Li Gang, a senior lecturer at the University of Melbourne’s chemical engineering department, said the team planned to enlarge the device and explore other applications for it.

Li said it would be expanded to 10 square metres in the third quarter next year so it could produce enough hydrogen power in a day for one family.

He estimated that if it were scaled up to the size of a tennis court powered by solar energy, the device would be able to produce enough hydrogen to fuel 400 cars a year.

“We expect the product to be ready for market launch by the end of 2025 at the size of 1,000 square metres and operating in deserts, cold regions and places with storms,” Li said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Weird Stuff
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To: adorno

“Why would the driver have to be taken care of? Isn’t it the same cost as the labor in your electrolysis method?”

That is what I said. ZERO cost. Not only can you not read minds over the internet you fail reading comprehension.


61 posted on 09/13/2022 9:49:03 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: TexasGator
“I can make the claim because you supported the idea. So, produce the studies and cost-effectiveness to back up the idea”

Cite that post. I posted facts.

62 posted on 09/13/2022 9:51:17 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: TexasGator
Your numbers, please.

It's difficult enough and expensive enough and lengthy enough, to produce hydrogen from readily available water as it is. Why would producing hydrogen from almost dry air be less expensive? Think about it. That is can be done there is no doubt, but that it can be done easily and cheaply is a pipe-dream.
63 posted on 09/13/2022 9:51:24 AM PDT by adorno
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To: TexasGator
That is what I said. ZERO cost. Not only can you not read minds over the internet you fail reading comprehension.

You sound as smart as Kamala and Biden.

Read and re-interpret what I said:

“Why would the driver have to be taken care of? Isn’t it the same cost as the labor in your electrolysis method?”

IOW, if you can use 'free' in you calculations, then, so can I when it comes to the price of a driver. It just doesn't make sense with your suggestions. NOTHING is free; not driver and not the production of hydrogen in the desert from almost dry air.
64 posted on 09/13/2022 9:57:24 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

“IOW, if you can use ‘free’ in you calculations, then, so can I when it comes to the price of a driver.”

Again you fail. I never said the driver was free. I included a daily rate.


65 posted on 09/13/2022 10:00:47 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: adorno
"Read and re-interpret what I said:"

Read and re-interpret what I said: (emphasis added)

BTW, I didn’t include deposits on the bottles or meals for the driver. I assumed the villagers would take car of the driver.

66 posted on 09/13/2022 10:09:46 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: TexasGator
Again you fail. I never said the driver was free. I included a daily rate.

And I refuted your claim of $200 a day.

If the cost of producing hydrogen in the desert is 'free' (as you claim), then, why would the driver of hydrogen produced elsewhere have to cost any higher than 'free'.

If the idea is to produce 'free' energy, it can be produced 'just as free' elsewhere, and more easily. There is no such thing as free, but if free is the goal, why make it difficult by doing it in the desert with bone-dry air? "Free" means that, everything is being 'gifted', so, why not gift it from wherever it's produced more easily?
67 posted on 09/13/2022 10:12:44 AM PDT by adorno
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To: TexasGator
BTW, I didn’t include deposits on the bottles or meals for the driver. I assumed the villagers would take car of the driver.
You keep digging a deeper hole for yourself.

If the cost is 'free' to produce the hydrogen, and the labor (and other costs) are free, then, a driver coming from elsewhere can also be free; no cost for bottles or meals, etc. That is, using your method of 'free' everything. Get it???
68 posted on 09/13/2022 10:16:35 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

“a driver coming from elsewhere can also be free;”

LOL! The driver doesn’t work for free!


69 posted on 09/13/2022 10:33:04 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: adorno
“I can make the claim because you supported the idea. So, produce the studies and cost-effectiveness to back up the idea”

Cite that post..

70 posted on 09/13/2022 10:37:31 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: TexasGator
LOL! The driver doesn’t work for free!

LOL!

Neither do the people who would be performing the electrolysis. Like I said, nothing is free, but you insist that the driver's cost would not be free. I insist that the electrolysis would NOT be free either. If free is the goal, then free should be the goal for 'other' methods, like production where water is readily available and abundant.

But, why are you so insistent that the desert fuel production is the way to go? Why does it matter to you? In any case, that is a project which will never get off the ground.
71 posted on 09/13/2022 10:49:51 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

“Neither do the people who would be performing the electrolysis.”.

The one’s in the village do. They get the free hydrogen in exchange.


72 posted on 09/13/2022 10:51:46 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: adorno
"But, why are you so insistent that the desert fuel production is the way to go?"

Again, Cite that post..

73 posted on 09/13/2022 10:53:19 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: adorno

“Why does it matter to you? “

That doesn’t matter. I just like to keep threads honest and factual.


74 posted on 09/13/2022 10:54:41 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: TexasGator
Cite that post..

EVERY POST you've made.

Your arguments point to your support of the desert electrolysis. Otherwise, why continue the argument if you don't support the idea?

You don't have to specifically say "I like the idea and I support it" in order for people to asses and derive that you are for the idea.

I can vote for a candidate, without specifically saying I support that candidate. I can argue for that candidate, but by arguing for that candidate, I' would be supporting that candidate. Simple common sense.
75 posted on 09/13/2022 10:57:10 AM PDT by adorno
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To: TexasGator
That doesn’t matter. I just like to keep threads honest and factual.

Yet, you had arguments full of holes.
76 posted on 09/13/2022 10:58:13 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
"EVERY POST you've made."

Cite ONE that supports your claim.

77 posted on 09/13/2022 11:06:14 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: adorno

“I can argue for that candidate, but by arguing for that candidate, I’ would be supporting that candidate. Simple common sense.”

CITE THE POST WHERE I AM ARGUING FOR THIS CONCEPT.


78 posted on 09/13/2022 11:08:38 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: adorno

“Yet, you had arguments full of holes.”

Cite a post.


79 posted on 09/13/2022 11:09:21 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: TexasGator
CITE THE POST WHERE I AM ARGUING FOR THIS CONCEPT.

Each and every one of your posts. Arguing for an idea or defending an idea, means that you are for the idea. Whether you recognized it or not.
80 posted on 09/13/2022 11:10:54 AM PDT by adorno
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