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To me, it sounds like they are Jewish on the outside, with all the trappings of Judaism including its practices and name and claim.

However, they are not Jewish on the inside, in their heart. They want the blessings of the Torah which, if every person kept, we could create a beautiful world. They just don't want the obligations of the Torah. They resent the obligations.

I think their attraction to socialism is their attempt to create the world based on the Torah, but at the same time be free from the Torah.

1 posted on 06/13/2023 3:15:19 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

A pretty loaded question which should attract some pretty wild answers probably.

This is the church age of “Smyrna” (”crushed myrrh”) which is the suffering church from which was written Fox’s “Book of Martyrs”, probably around 100AD-312AD.

Not sure what the role of the non-believing Jews was during that time.


4 posted on 06/13/2023 3:25:50 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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They were Jews in Smyrna and Sardis who were at odds with the Church of Smyrna and Sardis. In fact, in time of the early Church, and the only NT Churches that existed where in Italy, Greece, The Levant and the Roman provinces of Asia (which is modern West Turkey)

Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 are saying that the Jews who were the people of God in the OT prefigured the Church in NT which is God’s instrument to gather all peoples together in the Church, which is Christ body and bride.

In fact, “bow down” is used there, the Greek word is “proskunēsousin” which means to reverence, honor by prostrating bowing down. The root word is Proskeneuo which is used in MT 4:10 which English bibles translate as “worship” and serve is translated at “Latreuo”

Latreuo is related to service directed to God alone, that is Liturgical sacred worship with priests since God only has priests.


6 posted on 06/13/2023 3:31:24 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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The title of the book is Revelation, not Revelations.

Makes one wonder how much you know about the book of Act, Roman, or Hebrew....


9 posted on 06/13/2023 3:51:15 PM PDT by FNU LNU ( )
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Jews who reject and persecute Christ and are of the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus calls them out in the following verses, ""They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." - John 8:39-58

11 posted on 06/13/2023 4:02:24 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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“which say they are Jews, and are not”

You answered your own question, they were impostors


13 posted on 06/13/2023 4:07:28 PM PDT by Ragnar Danneskjöld
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Satan’s synagogue? I think that’s where Soros worships.


17 posted on 06/13/2023 4:16:14 PM PDT by I-ambush (We watched the moment of defeat, played back over on the video screen. )
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yes, i do find it ironic (given what the Lord is really saying) that the ‘church’ of satan attacks both ethnic and religious jews by calling them the ‘synagogue’ of satan.


18 posted on 06/13/2023 4:25:18 PM PDT by dadfly
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Ping.


20 posted on 06/13/2023 4:41:58 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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I do not know for sure, as the Jewish people are very secretive and protective of all their various sects, and can only tell you what I have been taught by others. That there was a section of Jews, who went to Babylon, and became known as the Babylonian Jews, where they were corrupted and taught to follow non-Biblical scripture. These Jews wrote their own separate texts, originally the Babylonian Talmud, and eventually under the name Kabbalah, wherein they believe in a different supreme being that that of the Torah (Old Testament), known as ein sof.


22 posted on 06/13/2023 5:11:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Ultra Conservative)
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The pale of settlement relative to the Ukrane - Russia war? Curious.


23 posted on 06/13/2023 5:20:12 PM PDT by CletusVanDamme (The breaking point will be reached soon. )
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The Khazarians were a violent, warlike people from Asia who migrated to the north end of the Caspian Sea in the 1st century BC. The Khazars were so violent they quickly amassed nearly 1,000,000 square miles by conquering the agrarian societies in the Caucasus region. The Khazarian kingdom encompassed what is now Ukraine and parts of Eastern Europe.

https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/khazaria-rothschild-dynasty-new-world-order-ukraine-and-implementation-of-the-nephilim-agenda


27 posted on 06/13/2023 5:31:51 PM PDT by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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Sort of like upChuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein?


31 posted on 06/13/2023 6:31:15 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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BFT


33 posted on 06/13/2023 6:38:28 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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The “Jews” who weren’t Jews were Idumians like Herod the Great. They were Roman collaborators and opponents of Jewish control of Israel. They would follow their masters into Christianity. Presumably that would wipe away their sins?


43 posted on 06/23/2023 9:27:53 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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Revelation 3:6-11
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. (there's the call to salvation, even at the end)
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

It seems pretty simple and straightforward to me.
A comparative real life, real time example...

That would make her, figuratively speaking, a member of the synagogue of Satan if it were Indians and not the Jewish nation/people.

Exposure and recognition...I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

JMO, YMMV

45 posted on 07/26/2023 4:31:56 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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I’ve always believed they are the people who subscribe to replacement theology.
Christians are not jews, even if they say they are.
The church never replaced Israel. God’s covenants with the real jews will never be supplanted.


49 posted on 07/26/2023 5:36:10 PM PDT by samiam5
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