Posted on 10/05/2023 7:25:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce
Well, whoever these guys are run the show at Vidgo. I’d hate to be the guy who struck that deal.
Probably already moved on.
Too many times you put the diagram down in front of them and watch their eyes glaze over, regardless of how critical or how simple it is.
"Just take care of it." stops being a statement of delegation and changes in meaning to; "This is beyond me. I don't want to deal with it. Don't bring it up to me anymore."
Exactly what we do. Almost all of our process are heavily documented, based on years of building the standards that ensure integrity across tightly integrated systems. We explain that we’re not against innovation, but it will always have to be measured against how it impacts everything else. So, stick to the script. If you have what you think is a better idea, then write it down and propose it, don’t just do it on your own trying to impress everyone, because it will have the exact opposite effect.
Those that buy in, love it, and are here for many many years. The ones that don’t, are gone overnight. But the job is to make sure the systems are rock solid and highly available. Other jobs might have other focuses, but I’m seeing a very short attention span in the new generation. And, it’s mostly because they are always looking for something new that helps them, more than being willing to contribute much to the overall team’s success. Much worse than it was just 10 years ago. Thanks.
It’s not the pay. I’ve got late twenty early thirties making over $100k but they’re still constantly looking to job hop, even though there’s really nothing else in this area paying someone with that little experience anything more.
They even bring their personally owned laptops in and play on them while at work, so we don’t even get the full 40 hours per week from them. When we tell them to not bring the laptops in and play on them, when they have tasks for us backed up, they stop for maybe a month. Then they either bring the laptops back, or leave.
One guy comes in wearing shorts a lot, another a trucker hat and jeans, all violations of the dress code, but they don’t really care. You can tell these kids had no discipline at all at home growing up. They talk non stop too, even repeating themselves over and over, when they’re complaining about being asked to do somehing. Spoiled rotten babies, is probably the best description.
100K where? CA? NY?
See, I told you it wasn’t the pay. Florida.
100K is not that much money for IT.
Yeah, I have lost count of how many times a new manager has come in, found out that I’ve been with the company for like 2 decades and nobody here knows how to do the things I do, and they say “he needs to crosstrain people, etc”. And then after the first attempt that that, they stop talking about it, and then a month or two later I get a raise without asking for it :)
Are they getting their work done? Meeting deadlines?
For a ~30 year old it’s still a lot. And they can still only do the most basic things at a competent level. Very typical scenario - we give them a fairly simple task to diagnose, on a specific system. In no time, they will come back and say they have it figured out, even though it’s obvious they did little research and never even logged into the system in question. Then, sure enough, when we try to apply their fix, it fixes nothing. Then they won’t ever mention it again, for two weeks, when you have to ask them about an update, and they have nothing new to report.
You should fire them. Give that work to the competent ones, and bonus them. You are the problem.
I completely agree. The whole "cloud" and kubernetes concept requires much more hardware. It is harder to design, implement, deploy and maintain. I miss the simplicity of a simple UNIX box with a good C++ compiler. Easy design, implementation and deployment. Docker has merit in deploying a working implementation with all the dependent library and parameters configured instead of expecting the end user to properly configure the execution platform. Running kubernetes clusters is another order of magnitude more complex and stupidly wasteful of resources.
You’re a joke as this is a common problem now. These are not supposed to be entry level positions, hence the pay, but there are no experienced people hardly available any more. So these younger ones are the only ones to choose from for these positions, and since we have the need, they get the pay. Instead of being appreciative that they are likely being overpaid, they still just see everything as a stepping stone.
We’ve been through a lot of them the last 5 years, when the problem first started getting bad. The senior people have almost all been here over 10 years, some as many as 20, and they do great work, and we all just shake our heads at the younger new ones. No professionalism, no discipline, won’t even look you in the eye even when blabbering on endlessly. Only about 1 in 4 is a keeper. What’s interesting is that 1 of 4 will be super all around, which makes the others look so bad.
but there are no experienced people hardly available any more.
Ok, at the right pay rate you will find experienced people. So you are not willing to pay for them and then bitch about the kids. You are lost as usual. It's called supply and demend. GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD.
You have no idea what you are talking about, and are just looking for a fight, as usual. I’m the high level manager, there are managers under me that have to deal with this problem on a daily and more personal basis, in multiple offices and disciplines. I just see what is going on, quite clearly. I have been hiring IT people for over 20 years, and know all about it. These younger people are not disciplined or as talented as those in the past, they are completely self centered and disrespectful, which is probably why you are defending them. You love anarchy and are full of misery and hatred, for whatever sad reason.
Listen Mr, High Level. You have problem, you dont understand supply and demand. How much do the experienced people make? Well they should be making a lot more than the neewbs. You could pay more for new talent but then you’d have to pay your experienced staff more, raise the salary baseline. But MR. Tight Wad would never do that. You are in the classic mode of “fix a wage then try to find someone”. When you can’t you cry. So you have what is call a conundrum, one that you can never fix. You should be fired.
You’re missing the point completely, probably purposefully. But first to address your side issue - yes we have much higher level positions than these, and have been able to fill those adequately, with good disciplined people, who don’t make much more than these kids are getting. There’s not as many of those positions, and they don’t open as much, but they do get filed, typically with 50+ year olds who can work circles around this new generation.
But the point I have been making that is completely over your head is, or you chose to ignore, is these young hot shots are supposed to be the best and the brightest, else they wouldn’t even qualify or be considered for these mid level jobs I’ve been talking about. They are often brought to us by technical recruiters and/or contractors, who know they are putting their own reputation on the line in presenting them.
EVEN THE RECRUITERS ARE ADMITTING THEIR FRUSTRATION to us in finding good people right now. We have three different companies help us look! It’s not the salary, it’s about the quality of the persons that are out there in total. Their character. Their professionalism. It’s a major drop off. Only an idiot like you constantly looking for a fight would claim that the current educational system, and discipline in families, is at the same level of the past. Yet here you are, because you love anarchy yourself. Civil war is your ultimate goal, from what I’ve seen.
But they are not. So if you paid 200K/yr would you get a good "hot shot"? Supply and demand, get it? No you dont. You are f-ing cry baby wage setter. Learn how a free market works and get back to me.
It is better to hire and pay a real hot shot 200K and get a lot of productivity out of them than hire two fake hot shots that can't or won't do anything.
Clue 2.
If you take my advice then a very good, unexpected thing will happen. The IT world is a small world. When word gets out you are paying really good $$ then other real hot shots out there currently making so so sh!t wages will take notice in YOU. They will find you and seek employment with you.
Clue 3.
It's always about the money. Always.
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