Posted on 04/04/2024 10:45:46 AM PDT by Rev M. Bresciani
The resurrection of Jesus from the dead is the cornerstone of historic Christianity. But is there scientific evidence it really happened? Some scholars believe that yes, there is and it’s in a cathedral in Turin, Italy.
The Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth 14 feet by 3 feet, contains the image of a man who was badly scourged, was crucified, wore a crown of thorns, and was stabbed in the chest with a Roman lance. Of course, all of these wounds fit what the Bible says happened to Jesus. Is the Shroud of Turin Jesus’ actual “clean linen shroud” given to Him in death by Joseph of Arimathea?
The word in Greek for shrou
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And don’t forget the blood serum halo at the chest wound that can only be seen in ultraviolet light. Make sure the image is only a few microns deep and only in the upper fibrils in the linen cloth that you use. Good luck finding AB positive blood with a high bilirubin count.
In before the atheists and Anerican Fundie trolls.
Actually, Eves deLage was a French anatomist who, in 1902, studied the first photographs of the shroud taken by Secundo Pio in 1898. DeLage was an agnostic who did not believe in miracles, but he did believe, based on his analysis, that the shroud was the authentic burial cloth of Jesus. He did not believe that the image formation was supernatural, but by a natural process of vapors emanating from the corpse.
“We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is not the product of an artist.” [emphasis added]
I’ve read every major work available in English on the shroud. There have been all kinds of efforts made to replicate the image through various processes including placing the cloth on heated surfaces and exposing it to certain chemicals, etc. none of them worked. And it’s true that the carbon 14 test was performed on a contaminated and partially restored area of the cloth. It’s also true that, while it is continuously documented since the 1300’s, it appears to be depicted in the “Pray Manuscript,” circa 1200. Also some very early Christian art appears to depict the man in the shroud per the hair and beard style and one eye larger than the other —- on the shroud image that would be because the eye is swollen from the beating. It’s also true that the weave of the cloth is consistent with high quality cloth from first century Palestine, and that many samples of pollen have been lifted from it from plants that grew in Judea, but not in Europe.
Some of my Protestant brothers and sisters think that only faith matters and this physical proof is not important. Fine, but I think the only reasonable conclusion is that the shroud is exactly what its proponents claim it is. At the very least, the passage from the article I posted at the beginning is pretty incontrovertibly true
In the Basilica Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome there is a full-scale computer reproduction of the Shroud. Let’s just say is very impressive. In the same church one can see the alleged: finger of St. Thomas that he put into Jesus’ wounds, part of the crown of thorns, part of the Cross, part of the Cross of the Good Thief, nails from the Cross and half of the wooden INRI nameplate from the Cross.
The nameplate was found hundreds of years ago hidden in a wall of the church during renovation. The original columns of the Church, will still stand inside, date back to 400 A.D. Worth a visit for those with an interest.
Also, Santa Maria Maggiore (St. Mary Major): Located on the Esquiline Hill, this church holds several precious relics:
The Holy Crib.
Shards from the Holy Manger.
A piece of the True Cross.
The church known as St. Peter in Chains holds the alleged chains used on St. Peter before his execution. Also in this church is the incredible statue of Moses by Michelangelo.
The advanced technology that existed in the first century AD has been lost forever.
You cannot replicate something done by God’s hand.
Well, there was this one guy who argued with God that he could make anything God could. So God said, “show me.” So the man reached down and picked up a handful of dirt. God said, “hey! Get your own dirt!”
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There might be something to the Malliard reaction of various decomposition products with the coating on the threads, except it does not account for the scale of the image,its being a photographic negative, nor if the images if the coins on the eyes, and it contradicts the scripture about “You will not let Him see decay.”
I’d forgotten about the 5 burn holes. The shroud has burn holes, thought to be from bits of incense that fell on it. In the Pray Codex, holes are depicted in the same configuration
Only very poorly...!
This reminds me of one of those challenges in which a huge amount is offered to show where in the New Testament is a verse saying the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
Much like a bet on who cut off Samson’s hair. Most will fail this.
Maybe like the monks in THE NAME OF THE ROSE who were debating on “Did Christ, or did he not, own the clothes that he wore?”
As for the shroud:
The old way was to drape a statue with a sheet, then use a powder puff of charcoal to imprint the features of the statue onto the cloth. Then sell it as a Holy Relic.
Back around 1969 I believe it was Esquire Magazine that had a mocking article about the Shroud. “Were You There When They Photographed Our Lord?”
And the debate goes on....
One might argue Jesus didn’t see decay in the dark tomb with the stone in place.
The Shroud of Turin research program in 1978 determined the shroud of Turin was not a statue imprint. They also determined that the shroud is not a photograph by Leonardo da Vinci, who was born 100 years after the first display of the shroud in 1356. The media promoting these ideas are freaking idiots.
One thing people need to consider is that the real human bloodstains were on the shroud prior to the image forming. In fact it was the blood itself that prevented the image from forming in those areas.
Concur. Plus the hundred weight of spices.
Plus the cooler temps— the morning of the crucifixion the Romans soldiers and one of yhe apostles were keeping warm at a charcoal fire. Plus it was from 3pm Friday until dawn on Sunday.
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