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W. Virginia Elector Might Leave Bush
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 10/21/2004 | Jennifer Bundy

Posted on 10/21/2004 2:04:33 PM PDT by Fedora

W. Virginia Elector Might Leave Bush

By JENNIFER BUNDY, Associated Press Writer

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - If President Bush (news - web sites) wins West Virginia, one of the state's five Republican electors says he might not vote for Bush to protest the president's economic and foreign policies.

South Charleston Mayor Richie Robb said based on his research, an elector has "qualified discretion" when it comes to casting a vote.

"There is an implied duty to vote for your party's candidate. But I don't think it's an explicit duty or responsibility," said Robb, a moderate Republican who has a reputation of being a maverick in the state party.

Still, Robb calls it "highly unlikely" that he would cast a vote for Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites). He said he might cast his vote for Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) or another Republican instead as a protest against Bush, meaning the president would lose out on one electoral vote.

Robb's decision could end up having enormous national significance because the presidential election is expected to go down to the wire. That is exactly what happened in 2000, when George W. Bush won the White House with 271 electoral votes. To win the presidency, a candidate must receive 270 electoral votes.

"There are people talking about a tied race," said Larry Sabato, a political scientist with the University of Virginia. "This one man could change the election result, could negate the vote of 115 million Americans."

Robb's dissatisfaction with Bush stems from the president's decision to invade Iraq (news - web sites) and economic policies he says have caused the loss of nearly 1,000 high-paying chemical and manufacturing jobs in his town of about 13,000 residents. Robb has been mayor of the Charleston suburb since 1975.

A veteran who won a Bronze Star in the Vietnam War, Robb said he also is upset with campaign ads that attacked Kerry's war record.

State GOP Chairman Kris Warner said he is not worried about how Robb will vote if West Virginia again goes for the president. Bush won the 2-to-1 Democrat state in 2000 by 6 percentage points, making him the first Republican presidential candidate who was not an incumbent to take the state in more than 70 years.

"I maintain Mayor Robb will carry out the will of the West Virginia people when it becomes clear and decisive President Bush has carried the state," Warner said. Recent polls show the race is too close too call.

Robb said he objects to criticism from some who say he is a "faithless" elector. He said he views himself as a "principled elector" because he is discussing his qualms about Bush before the election.

"There have been a few people who have been downright hateful. I think that is just the nature of this election, which has been hateful," Robb said. "I won't be intimidated by the mean-spirited attacks."

Only 10 electors in history have gone against the popular vote, including one from West Virginia.

Margarette Leach of Huntington declined to vote for Michael Dukakis in 1988 even though Dukakis carried West Virginia. Leach cast her presidential vote for Dukakis' running mate, Lloyd Bentsen.


TOPICS: West Virginia; Campaign News
KEYWORDS: selfservingasshole; votefraud; westvirginia
How do we counter this?
1 posted on 10/21/2004 2:04:33 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
a moderate Republican who has a reputation of being a maverick in the state party.

How did this guy become an elector?
Can the state party impeach him and get a replacement?
2 posted on 10/21/2004 2:07:54 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Fedora

The guy won't do it. This is bluster. Unless he wants the world to come crashing down on his head...


3 posted on 10/21/2004 2:09:17 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: Fedora
The guy's most likely a publicity hound looking to get 15 minutes of fame or hopiing someone will offer him a little cash. I'd bet there is an enormous amount of Soros cash ready to buy anyone they can.

I think there was another similar one in the 2000 Gore War.

The best way to prevent this is to not choose jackasses like this as electors.

4 posted on 10/21/2004 2:09:33 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Fedora

Third posting today of a month old story.


5 posted on 10/21/2004 2:11:16 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: MNJohnnie

The Democrats are so desperate they seem to be particularly fixated on it. It's all over the blogosphere and news- the leftwing nuts are clinging to it like a starved calf on a dry teat.


6 posted on 10/21/2004 2:15:53 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

" think there was another similar one in the 2000 Gore War."

I seem to remember that vaguely.


7 posted on 10/21/2004 2:28:09 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: MNJohnnie

Yahoo just posted this version within the last hour.


8 posted on 10/21/2004 2:29:52 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: counterpunch

"Can the state party impeach him and get a replacement?"

That's what I'm wondering.


9 posted on 10/21/2004 2:31:25 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: sam_whiskey

I hope it's just bluster. Still, if he's announcing this ahead of time, it seems pre-emptive action is in order. He shouldn't be allowed to change his electoral vote based on his personal foreign policy views.


10 posted on 10/21/2004 2:32:29 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Yahoo just posted this version within the last hour.


Yep. Repeat of an AP story which AP recycled from a month ago. Only reason this is being brought up is to fan the lagging hopes of the Dim base. Remember, AP is the SAME organization who sued to have EVERY Bush Guard document released by the Pentagon before the election but STILL has not done ONE story on the 31 pages of missing Kerry records.

Sorry, this is whole scale propaganda. Doesn't mean spit. If this guy is called on to cast his vote, he will not change the election. He all ready said he WILL NOT vote for Kerry. Suppose 2004 is as close as 2000. This guy votes for Chenney or whomever but NOT Kerry. Total is 270 Bush, 269 Kerry and 1 totally meaningless grandstand.
11 posted on 10/21/2004 2:45:09 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: MNJohnnie

"Sorry, this is whole scale propaganda."

Yep. And I try to monitor enemy propaganda developments.


12 posted on 10/21/2004 2:52:48 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

It doesn't matter, even if he does make a "protest vote" for some other candidate than Bush, as long as it isn't for Kerry, which he already said he would NOT do.

Think about some possible scenarios:

[A] Kerry 269, Bush 268, Protest vote 1

[B] Bush 269, Kerry 268, Protest vote 1

[C] Kerry 270, Bush 267, Protest vote 1

In Scenario C, Kerry wins, even if Bush would've had 268 electoral votes.

In Scenarios A and B, the protest vote does not affect the outcome, because the House of Representatives decides the election if any one candidate fails to receive a majority of the electoral votes (i.e. 270 or higher) NOT just if it is a tie.

But, how many people really think the election is going to be this close anyway? Down to one or two electoral votes? Somehow I doubt it.


13 posted on 10/24/2004 4:29:52 PM PDT by rightcoast
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To: Fedora

"a moderate Republican who has a reputation of being a maverick in the state party"

Translated: a John McCain style publicity hound who falls into line once his ego placated.

Twit. He knows that to stay Mayor and to pursue any further political career he'd better do what's expected or it's over for him.


14 posted on 10/24/2004 4:39:26 PM PDT by JanetteS
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To: Fedora

I have an idea. We'll take this elector aside, hand a box of candy, and tell him to offer some to that woman over there...

It'll take care of that problem, forthwith.

Excuse me, I have to return to iron my black shirts.


15 posted on 10/24/2004 4:41:56 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: lavrenti; NYC GOP Chick
I have an idea. We'll take this elector aside, hand a box of candy, and tell him to offer some to that woman over there...

Now there's a plan! :)

16 posted on 10/24/2004 4:45:21 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

It would be our secret WMD in the cause of liberty!


17 posted on 10/24/2004 4:49:28 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: lavrenti

LOL!


18 posted on 10/24/2004 5:15:06 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; lavrenti
You two are asking begging for an ass-kicking! And lavrenti will be punished even further...
19 posted on 10/24/2004 5:18:29 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Kerry has more positions than the Kama Sutra)
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To: Fedora

Visualize The Senator curled in a fetal position, weeping, his trousers soiled ... bon bons scattered about him.

All he wanted to do was offer some candy to that nice lady over there. Little did he know...


20 posted on 10/24/2004 5:19:55 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

I would never offer you candy.

Do you think I would look good in Fascist Black or Falange Blue? I can't decide what to wear on Election Day.


21 posted on 10/24/2004 5:22:32 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: lavrenti
Black, of course! I'm just trying to decide what to bring with me to read as I wait in line to vote -- National Review or Weekly Standard. More people know NR, but those on the left who know the Weekly Standard refer to it as a "neocon rag."
22 posted on 10/24/2004 5:28:38 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Kerry has more positions than the Kama Sutra)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
You two are asking begging for an ass-kicking!

Actually I'm begging for a delicious Reese's Peanut Butter Cup--speaking of which, since Halloween's coming up, you must be in the market for some extra candy bars :)

23 posted on 10/24/2004 5:32:13 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Black it is then.

I'll bring a reading object patently evil with me to the polling station. Modern Age or the Whittiker Chambers collection Ghosts on The Roof (rereading it).


24 posted on 10/24/2004 5:34:24 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: lavrenti; NYC GOP Chick

I would reply, but I'm afraid I'll get beat up now :) Candybar salesman intimidation! I'm being disenfranchised--I'm gonna call the ACLU (American Candysalesman Liberty Union)! Count every bar!


25 posted on 10/24/2004 5:36:17 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: lavrenti

You could wear a Richard Nixon t-shirt with a Ronald Reagan cap!


26 posted on 10/24/2004 5:37:21 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

I could go for a bottle of Bosco right now...


27 posted on 10/24/2004 5:37:49 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Fedora

No, this is Manhattan. We right wing thugs like to do things the old-fashioned, stylish way. Wide-brimmed hat, steel-rimmed sunglasses, long leather coat, shiny expensive shoes, obscure literature hinting at dark purpose and evil plans. Strikes more fear and terror amoungst the glitterati and gallerians than a gimmie cap.

They really get intimidated when people they hate out-do them in the looks and style department.


28 posted on 10/24/2004 5:40:49 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Fedora
There is always a few of these.

They get confused.

30 posted on 10/24/2004 5:58:14 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: lavrenti

So I could wear my fedora! Cool :)


31 posted on 10/24/2004 6:04:00 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Unless he votes for Kerry, it won't matter. If it ends up tied at 269, no one will have a majority, even if hundreds of Bush electors go off the reservation. It goes into the House, no matter what.


32 posted on 10/27/2004 6:04:22 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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