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VPC-Concealed Gun Permit Holders Kill 7 Police 44 Citizens in 2 yrs, nothing about armed criminals
Violence Policy Center ^ | July 20, 2009 | VPC

Posted on 07/20/2009 8:52:51 PM PDT by bintenn

Concealed Handgun Permit Holders Kill 7 Police, 44 Private Citizens Over Two-Year Period

31 Incidents Result in Criminal Charges or Suicide of Concealed Handgun Permit Holder

Washington, DC--Concealed handgun permit holders killed at least seven police officers and 44 private citizens in 31 incidents during the period May 2007 through April 2009 according to a new study (http://www.vpc.org/studies/ccw2009.pdf) released today by the Violence Policy Center (VPC). The release of the study comes as the U.S. Senate is expected to take up today--Monday, July 20--an amendment to the defense authorization bill (S. 1390) that would create a de facto national concealed carry system, overriding the rights of states with more restrictive laws governing the carrying of concealed handguns. The amendment is sponsored by Senator John Thune (R-SD). Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) has said he will filibuster the amendment.

Because most state systems allowing the carrying of concealed handguns in public by private citizens release little data about crimes committed by permit holders, the VPC reviewed shooting incidents as reported by news outlets. It is likely that the actual number of fatal criminal incidents involving concealed handgun permit holders is far higher.

The study, Law Enforcement and Private Citizens Killed by Concealed Handgun Permit Holders--An Analysis of News Reports, May 2007 to April 2009, finds that during the two-year period reviewed--

* Concealed handgun permit holders have slain seven law enforcement officers resulting in criminal charges or the suicide of the shooter. All of the killings were committed with guns. An additional three law enforcement officers were injured in these incidents.

* Concealed handgun permit holders have slain at least 44 private citizens resulting in criminal charges or the suicide of the shooter. All but one of the killings were committed with guns. An additional six private citizens were injured in these incidents.

* In six of the 31 incidents (19 percent), the concealed handgun permit holder killed himself, bringing the total fatality count to 57.

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, “State concealed handgun systems are arming cop-killers and other murderers. It is beyond irrational for Congress to vote to expand the reach of these deadly laws.”

The study offers detailed descriptions of the 31 incidents, which occurred in 15 states. Law enforcement officers were killed in: Florida, Idaho, Ohio (two incidents), and Pennsylvania (two incidents). Private citizens were killed in: Alabama, Colorado, Florida (nine incidents), Idaho, Kentucky, Minnesota, New York, North Carolina (two incidents), Ohio (three incidents), Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah (two incidents), and Virginia.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; hpc; killings; liberalfascism
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To: john in springfield
Another of the shooters mentioned (in this case no one was killed) “shot through a barricaded door, wounding two police officers as they broke through it [in a drug raid]. Foster claimed he thought the house was being robbed. Foster’s lawyer claimed, ‘He didn’t know they were police officers.’”

I wonder whether a jury, if asked whether the conduct of the police in such a raid was "reasonable", would find that it was? Since unreasonable searches and seizures are illegitimate (the Supreme Law of the Land explicitly forbids them), a finding that police conduct in the raid was not reasonable would imply that the person shot a couple of robbers.

61 posted on 07/21/2009 4:28:53 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: familyop

All on my home page ...


62 posted on 07/21/2009 5:06:53 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

Thank you! I’ll have a look.


63 posted on 07/21/2009 5:10:33 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Squantos
"All on my home page ..."

...had a look and bookmarked that list of pro-Second-Amendment organizations. Thanks again!

So were you EOD? We (12Bs) trained to clear hasty lanes a lot but not to clean up a whole place. ;-) IMO, demo (math, math, math, then ranges all day) and mines are some of the most boring things to do and teach. Fireworks and taking things apart were fun for us as kids, then Uncle Sam made us do it forever and ever. ...no fun any more. ;-)


64 posted on 07/21/2009 5:23:26 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop

Yep ......did you know any of the 7 engineers killed at the very end of desert storm ?

Stay Safe Brother !


65 posted on 07/21/2009 5:47:19 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
"Yep ......did you know any of the 7 engineers killed at the very end of desert storm ?"

No. We (NG unit, superior unit award) were called off within four hours of mobilizing to clear around a city over there for our assigned inf. brigade and were very busy getting ready at home at the time. Gens. decided that they wouldn't go into the cities at that time, so we stayed home. It was about all over then. ...back to lots of schools and public affairs stuff south of the border.


66 posted on 07/21/2009 5:54:31 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Squantos

...went through initial training (OSUT: 13 weeks) at Ft. Leonard Wood during my 30s (crazy “old man”). ...in my fifties now and building a place on the Rockies over the next couple of years (away the grid and extreme cold, so extra building required). ...no more booms except for teaching the teens with very old fashioned (single action, etc.), big-bore firearms. They want to be engineers (real engineers, who design things to make and build—civilian type). They love old westerns, and the rancher neighbors keep their interests going.


67 posted on 07/21/2009 6:02:55 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: familyop

It was a mess from our point. Aug 5 90 to May 20 91 ....run with ODA 591 out of FT Campbell for most of the working 100 hrs.

Retired in 94 with 21 years.

Miss it....


68 posted on 07/21/2009 6:10:04 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
"Miss it...."

I do in some ways, but it's really nice to live in a high, dry, cool place away from the sweat, the bugs and all of that. ...good to be with family, too.


69 posted on 07/21/2009 6:31:05 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: sig226
the VPC reviewed shooting incidents as reported by news outlets.

This is the most idiotic argument VPC has used to date.

Gathering statistics by what the papers said is the same methodology they used in the '90s to claim "assault weapons kill cops", also claiming they were underreporting. Why they did the newspaper clipping instead of using the FBI which collates figures on all LEO killing was so they could "prove" a case not supported by evidence.

70 posted on 07/21/2009 6:56:29 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (In Soviet Russia, Sarah Palin's house can see YOU)
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To: Squantos
One of the finest asschewings/group motivation speeches I ever heard was at Ft. Ord, about 70 -71.

Seems a new guy to the local EOD detachment there called for a ride from the Greyhound Depot. Someone told him "take a cab".

Wrong.

The senior NCO doing the group counseling#39; said he'd have unit cohesion - unity - cooperation with his soldiers or life would become most unpleasant.

I often thought about that day when I was Watch Commander at the jail or Patrol Div. Served me well.

71 posted on 07/21/2009 9:25:35 PM PDT by investigateworld ( For a perfect example of Alinsky's Rule 13, visit any Free Trade thread)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Now...That’s the stats I’d like to see.And how many of them DIDN’T have a gun?


72 posted on 07/22/2009 12:22:40 AM PDT by bobaloobob
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To: bintenn
Um....Lovelle Mixon killed four policemen in one day. He was a convicted felon who couldn't ever have gotten a legal permit for any firearm, let alone the AK-47 he used.


73 posted on 07/22/2009 12:36:42 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: investigateworld

LOL ....nothing like getting a motivational talk from the CO. Never forget those talks.

Hope yer well

Stay safe .....


74 posted on 07/22/2009 1:19:13 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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