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Some back and forth on Sarah Palin and the Jews
The Jewish Week ^ | December 1, 2010 | James Besser

Posted on 12/23/2010 11:55:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Benyamin Korn's op-ed response to my recent blog on polls suggesting former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is lagging with more educated voters is something rare in political discourse these days – which is to say, civil. He made his points, he didn't hurl invectives, he wasn't nasty.

But he was also wrong on a few counts, it seems to me.

This was the main gist of his argument:

“Pundits made similar assumptions about Ronald Reagan when he was a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 1980. Reagan also had considerable appeal among the less educated and the less affluent; surely educated and affluent Jews would support President Jimmy Carter – or so the pundits reasoned. But on election day, the majority of American Jews repaid Carter's disdain for Israel, his impotence in rescuing the Americans held hostage in Iran, and his mismanagement of the American economy, by abandoning him for Ronald Reagan, the most conservative Presidential candidate of the post-Vietnam era. Reagan received the largest share of the Jewish vote of any Republican presidential nominee in U.S. history.”

Well, yes and no.

Clearly, Carter earned the enmity of many Jewish voters and Reagan did better with the Tribe than any recent Republican presidential nominee. But “a majority?” Not quite; he got 39 percent of the Jewish vote, but Carter still won a plurality at 45 percent (Third party candidate John Anderson – remember him? – got 14 percent of the Jewish vote).

Nationally, it was a GOP blowout, with Reagan getting 90 percent of the electoral vote, and it was a pretty good day for the GOP in Jewish terms, but it was hardly unprecedented in the postwar era; Dwight D. Eisenhower nailed 40 percent of the Jewish vote in 1956 against Democrat Adlai Stevenson.

But that's quibbling; we agree that Reagan did better than the pundits predicted with Jewish voters, and there's no reason a Republican can't match or exceed that in the future.

Could Sarah Palin be the one? It's not inconceivable, but Korn's assertion that “there are signs of growing respect for Gov. Palin’s policies and positions – especially among some of the Jewish intellectuals whom Besser presumes now oppose her” is pretty weak evidence.

Just who are those “intellectuals?

Well, he cites John and Norman Podhoretz – smart guys, but not exactly your Jewish men on the street. And Seth Lipsky, whom I've never met but I've heard is brilliant. But again: a leading conservative who has been on the wrong side of the Jewish majority in every presidential election.

And Fox contributor Bill Kristol?

Aren't these the same guys who have supported a succession of highly conservative candidates, none of whom fared very well with Jewish voters? If Korn's only proof that Palin's support among Jewish intellectuals is growing is handful of longtime conservative activists who already supported or were sympathetic toward the former Alaska governor, I'm just not buying.

He also cites Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent. Wasn't Joe a big Palin booster in 2008?

In my blog I didn't say there aren't smart Jews who support Palin, and I certainly didn't say strong conservatives like the Podhoretzs, Lipsky and Kristol are in the anti-Palin camp; I merely cited a Marist poll showing that Palin did far worse among college educated voters than other top GOP contenders, and suggested that means Palin might not be the strongest horse in the GOP stable when it comes to Jewish voters.

I'm guessing you'd have a hard time finding any reputable political scientist who'd disagree. The fact leading Jewish conservatives think Palin is great says very little about Palin's probable impact on Jewish voters.

The Carter analogy isn't entirely inappropriate, to be sure. There's little question Obama has pretty much lost the pro-Israel activist community, he's lost a lot of liberals who think he's abandoned them, he's lost a lot of business people who see just confusion in his economic policies.

I have no question that if President Obama ran for reelection tomorrow, his Jewish take would be far lower than the 78 percent he got in 2008, reflecting both the overall decline in his political fortunes and some specific concerns about his policies among pro-Israel activists. I would also would be very surprised if he didn't still win a significant majority.

But at this point, I haven't seen any good data or heard analysis from independent political scientists suggesting Palin would do as well as more “establishment” Republicans with Jewish voters. GOP insiders I talk to say it's all about Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee when it comes to the preferences of Jewish Republicans.

But it's an interesting discussion, and it's nice to do it without screaming.


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; Polls; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 2012; freepressforpalin; kristol; obama; palin; podhoretz; sarahpalin
With an electoral college, is this really an issue?
1 posted on 12/23/2010 11:55:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m Jewish and I support Palin. As a Jew, I prefer to have a Christian President over the muslim currently in office.


2 posted on 12/24/2010 12:05:13 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
American Jews may dislike her like they do all people to the right of Hugo Chavez, but she seems to respect and understand them.


3 posted on 12/24/2010 12:12:29 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a lot of people don’t remember is Carter and Ford more or less tied. That shows you they weren’t that different. Reagan came along and slaughtered Carter. Rove and his bunch need to be reminded it was a true conservative who won the day. Not New England Rinos. And he was from out West. Just a little south of Alaska.


4 posted on 12/24/2010 12:13:20 AM PST by Terry Mross ( Reagan made one mistake: He chose Bush as his veep. We've been paying for it ever since.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“strong conservatives like the Podhoretzs, Lipsky and Kristol”

What???


5 posted on 12/24/2010 12:18:35 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Terry Mross
What a lot of people don’t remember is Carter and Ford more or less tied. That shows you they weren’t that different. Reagan came along and slaughtered Carter. Rove and his bunch need to be reminded it was a true conservative who won the day. Not New England Rinos. And he was from out West. Just a little south of Alaska.

Rove couldn't care less.

He has always been a RINO since he worked on George H. Bush's 1980 campaign against Ronald Reagan.

He is the enemy of conservatives, he is the Progressive, Elitist Republicans friend.

He is a traitor to conservatives everywhere.
6 posted on 12/24/2010 12:34:11 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Shameless, heartfelt plug for JEWISH AMERICANS 4 SARAH PALIN
7 posted on 12/24/2010 12:39:34 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But it's an interesting discussion, and it's nice to do it without screaming.

Benyamin Korn is a gentleman. He doesn't scream or need to.

8 posted on 12/24/2010 12:42:57 AM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Here's a photo of her wearing the American-Israeli flag pin given to her by a Jewish supporter at a campaign rally. She wears it a lot.


9 posted on 12/24/2010 3:15:36 AM PST by Ranald S. MacKenzie (It's the philosophy, stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The libtards have really gotten their panties in a wad lately. On Nov 15th The “New Yorker” mag had some crap about conservatives being ignorant, they “actually believe the economy is not in recovery and that the TARP money has been wasted”. On that basis we are “too dumb to know what is good for us.” Merry Christmas.


10 posted on 12/24/2010 3:24:38 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Today it's the Jews, tomorrow it will be the Amish, and next week they'll say she has a problem with Martians.

It's the Palin-Hate gang revving their engines again...too bad their go-karts don't have big, grown-up motors.

The MSM, bathroom wall grafitti is just like real grafitti...it means nothing but someone still has to clean it up and paint over it.

It's possible that Sarah spoke a line that had the letters "J", "E", and "W" all in the same sentence - that's all the press needs to fabricate their next angle for a Palin put-down.

If the media had ANY credibility left, at all, Sarah might be worried.
11 posted on 12/24/2010 3:38:44 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Lazlo in PA

And this picture was some time ago...not prepping for a run at being POTUS. Reading the history of the 1930’s in Germany and the great TV series now running, I believe any person with Jewish ancestry would have to be seriously trying to get this lady elected, even if they don’t like her accent.


12 posted on 12/24/2010 5:21:52 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: jennings2004
I should have said the great TV series on the atrocities against persons of Jewish descent during the 1940’s in Germany and German occupied countries. It is riveting and sad, sad, sad.
13 posted on 12/24/2010 5:25:33 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: SoConPubbie

Thank you for pointing out that Rove has always been a RINO. He opposed Reagan in the 1980 campaign, he pushed big-government compassionate conservatism in the early 2000s, and he is attacking the leading right winger today (Palin).


14 posted on 12/24/2010 5:32:14 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With an electoral college, is this really an issue?


It can (hypothetically) matter in Fla. but it probably won’t.

All the same, it is mind-numbing that so many American Jews routinely vote anti-Israel.


15 posted on 12/24/2010 9:59:45 AM PST by PaleoBob
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16 posted on 12/25/2010 4:10:36 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: FrankR

Note to self: Register MARTIANS4PALIN.COM


17 posted on 12/25/2010 5:39:48 AM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sarah loves Israel and the Jewish people. That position will never change no matter what.


18 posted on 12/25/2010 9:47:37 AM PST by JPG (There is hope for America and her name is Sarah.)
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