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Vice presidential debate: Who won?
The Politico's The Arena ^ | October 11, 2012 | Arena Ref: Erika Lovley

Posted on 10/11/2012 11:08:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Erika Lovley Moderator :

Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan debated Thursday night on a mix of policy issues.

Did Biden recover the ground that President Obama lost in the presidential debate last week? Was Ryan able to hold his own against the senior politician?

David N. Bossie President of Citizens United :

Paul Ryan looked presidential tonight and Joe Biden acted like a child.

It was clear that the Obama-Biden game plan is to lie to the American people because they do not have the facts on their side. We all know that President Obama failed miserably last week, and what Joe Biden displayed tonight is what liberals love to do...whine. When all the debating is done this country is still in despair because of the failed policies of the last four years.

Jim Manley Senior Director, QGA Public Affairs; former spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid :

For me, the funny thing was that Paul Ryan more than held his own on a perceived weakness - foreign policy - while Joe Biden largely dominated the budget and tax issues, which was supposed to be Ryan's forte. As far as these things go, it was a helluva debate, but Biden did what he needed to do. He was succinct, direct and to the point. He won....

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Kentucky; Campaign News; Issues
KEYWORDS: biden; obama; romney; ryan
Is Erika 12 years old or is it just the photo?
1 posted on 10/11/2012 11:08:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Biden absolutely was NOT succinct, direct and to the point. He was
Confusingly wordy, all over the map, and obfuscating (both during his own time AND during Ryan’s time)


2 posted on 10/11/2012 11:14:23 PM PDT by uncitizen (Religion of Peace my hind end !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Paul Ryan looked presidential tonight and Joe Biden acted like a SPOILED-ROTTEN child.
3 posted on 10/11/2012 11:14:25 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s just the photo.

This made me laugh:

“Celinda LakeDemocratic strategist :

Biden absolutely recovered the ground.

1) He energized Democrats. Like Clinton, he called out the lies and inaccuracies. This will energize Democrats who feel we are right but felt trampled on.

2) He showed a mastering of foreign policy that is unparalleled. He was reassuring in his approach.

3) Ryan was scary to women. How many more wars will he get and keep us in - Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and saber rattling with the Soviet Union reminiscent of the Cold War?”

So, how many ladies here were “scared” by Ryan and his big blue puppy eyes?


4 posted on 10/11/2012 11:18:04 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think Ryan won because he had to debate two people, Biden only one.

I thought the moderator was very biased, she pushed Ryan on many questions, she didn't for Biden. Biden got the soft treatment.

5 posted on 10/11/2012 11:19:17 PM PDT by Coffee_drinker (The best defense is a strong preemptive strike.)
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To: Salamander

Celinda Lake. LOL! Is she still around?


6 posted on 10/11/2012 11:21:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: Salamander

Who knew the Soviet Union had re-formed since yesterday? You’d think that would’ve made Drudge, that crappy AOL News and Yahoo! News.


7 posted on 10/11/2012 11:21:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

And still crazy after all these years.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 11:22:16 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Big Bird apparently bumped that headline down.


9 posted on 10/11/2012 11:24:07 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander

You gotsta have priorities in da news bidness...


10 posted on 10/11/2012 11:26:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Coffee_drinker

I actually came to a different conclusion regarding the moderator. I thought she was more biased against Biden with her questions (as I watched the debate).

That being said, your opinion is shared by the majority here in FR and on Twitter and knowing who she is is can easily concede that you’re right.

Maybe my expectations were lowered so much after learning about the wedding that she went above what I thought she would do.

I do think Ryan won the debate. Biden appeared to me to be there solely to be a debate crasher more than anything.


11 posted on 10/11/2012 11:27:26 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who won?

Some are giving it to one, some to the other.

It will probably shake out as being about even.

And since vice-presidential debates historically don’t make much difference anyway, the lack of any big winner means any impact will be pretty small.

More critical factors are going to be:

* how Romney does in the next two.
* the October jobs report, due out 4 days before the election.
* enthusiasm on election day.


12 posted on 10/11/2012 11:27:48 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Salamander
He was reassuring in his approach.

Telling people not to sweat Iran because they have a long way to go to make a bomb wasn't reassuring. He is an idiot.

Ryan was scary to women

I watched a good portion of the debate replay on CNN where they had "undecided" voters watching with meters. The women loved Ryan. They liked everything he said. I think for a lot of these people this is the most they have ever heard from Ryan. He is a very likable guy, even when he is talking about our depressing economy.

13 posted on 10/11/2012 11:29:53 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It.. may be the photo. People tell me I look 16, but I’m getting on towards 30.


14 posted on 10/11/2012 11:29:54 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: Coffee_drinker

The moderator allowed Biden to interrupt and talk over Ryan when he was trying to give the facts supporting his policies. The moderator also cut Ryan off just when he was set to conclude his remarks with the winning statement. Finally, Biden would make the most outrageous charges and the Moderator did no allow Ryan to answer them.


15 posted on 10/11/2012 11:30:28 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: USNBandit
This isn't hurting his cause, either.


16 posted on 10/11/2012 11:33:52 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander

Sal, “And still crazy after all these years.”

Yep for sure, me to, Rab.

Ryan V brain dead. Pretty crappy job over all.
Did not stand his ground. Let moderator / Biden control the field.


17 posted on 10/11/2012 11:39:18 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Salamander

Would it be shallow and disrespectful of me to say ... “Yum!!” LOL!


18 posted on 10/11/2012 11:39:49 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: Salamander

I was kind of disappointed that he didn’t throw out the “X”.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 11:43:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Nope.

[but if you squeal, the Dems might mistake it for “scared” so try to be fairly quiet whilst ogling]

:)


20 posted on 10/11/2012 11:44:27 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And 7 foot yellow fowl are breaking head line news, *always*.


21 posted on 10/11/2012 11:45:36 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: USNBandit

I just saw “Beau” Biden yapping.

Made me think of Sean Connery telling Harrison Ford “We named the DOG Indiana!”


22 posted on 10/11/2012 11:47:58 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: USNBandit

He could’ve just ripped off his shirt.

LOL


23 posted on 10/11/2012 11:49:13 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Jeff Winston
It will probably shake out as being about even.

People who fervently support O/B will think that he did well, people who fervently support R/R will think the same for their slate. Each candidate got their slate's points out to the public.

The deciders are the uncommiteds and the persuadables.

If the debate were basically to be considered a draw on substance, it comes down to demeanor [style] - and that is where Biden probably "lost". The majority of uncommiteds and persuadables did not like what Biden did. Biden probably came off as bitter, petty, and petulant.

In 1960, historians generally agree that Nixon won on substance in the first debate.

HOWEVER, the public declared that Kennedy “won” that debate - and it was basically on style. Kennedy was well-rested and tanned. Nixon was sick with the flu and was sweating under the bright lights of the studio.

24 posted on 10/11/2012 11:54:45 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Salamander
Big Bird apparently bumped that headline down.

Big Bird is overpaid. Big Bird pulled down $314K in 2010.

If Big Bird were a creature of a free economy, he would be entitled to every penny. However, he is not.

It's time for Big Bird to go extinct! It's time to can Public Broadcasting!

25 posted on 10/11/2012 11:56:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Jeff Winston
* the October jobs report, due out 4 days before the election.

Right! Now that they've been busted for incomplete data in their most recent report, they've pretty much shot their chance to manipulate those numbers just before the election. They're under the microscope.

26 posted on 10/12/2012 12:04:33 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

I disagree. They’ve got away with two blatantly ridiculous job reports now. It’ll be worth it to them to cheat on a third one four days before the election. It won’t matter to them if it’s exposed as bogus by day five.


27 posted on 10/12/2012 12:25:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Coffee_drinker
....as someone posted about a gazillion times on the live thread....

Biden has got that silly grin on his face because the moderator was sitting on his lap all night.

28 posted on 10/12/2012 12:32:20 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is David carville Erika’s dad? She has the same space alien looks.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 2:09:36 AM PDT by albie ("Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow." Benjamin Frankli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/#navlink=navbar

Poll in Miami Herald currently has Ryan the winner.


30 posted on 10/12/2012 2:11:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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