Gloves Are Off w/ Rand Paul and His “Immigration Reform” Freak Fest. Where're This Man’s Priorities?

A Time For Choosing ^ | June 14, 2014 | Isabel Matos

[2ndDivisionVet]

Governor Palin Roars at Team Obama’s Latest Orchestrated Crisis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3167695/posts

Palin: Immigration Debate ‘Just About Driving Me To Renounce My Republican Ties’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3167434/posts

Sarah Palin: ‘Amnesty Will Decimate Main Street’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3166799/posts

[re_nortex]

I think FR will go all in for Ted Cruz.

I'm ready for Cruz Control but I still think Sarah Palin will be sworn in as President come January 2017. The Lord has big things planned for Governor Palin and she has the will and, as a committed Christian, the wherewithal to lead America back to its Biblical foundation.

Go Sarah go! Go Ted go! Go Jim go! Rebellion is brewing!

[VTenigma]

Almost went there, now, dead to me.

[moonshinner_09]

Obama seeems to of made up his mind not to enforce a lot of our immigration laws and Obama really does not care if congress agree’s or disagree’s..In the end he act’s like it’s only he who can resolve the problems..and the other who disagree are in his way.. He ignores them and carries out what he wants to do..Many in congress are do nothing congress and Prez takes full advantage of this.

[riverdawg]

Rand Paul is at heart a libertarian, so that means open borders and unrestricted abortion.

[CatherineofAragon]

“Oh em gee! Rand Paul is so cool! He wears striped socks and positioned a bag of potato chips next to his feet! He even used the word “groovin”! /S

[Jack Black]

Many libertarians are anti-abortion, even non-religious libertarians, based on their principles, especially the "non-initiation of force".

Most libertarians do favor more immigration, from what I've seen. The Libertarian Party favors increased legal immigration.

[TEXOKIE]

Thanks for the link, 2ndDivisonVet. Was not intending to hijack your thread. Just extremely disappointed (as are probably most here) in the way so many so called conservatives have betrayed the conservative cause.

[Jack Black]

We do know who the potential candidates are, you can look at some of the professional political analysts like Charlie Cook or Larry Sababto or Nate Silver to see who's in the game.

The election starts in earnest in a few months, right after the November election.

I understand the desire of Freepers to have a real conservative represent the party in 2016, so it's quite reasonable to talk about who that might be.

I stand by my comment that the Forum has a terrible track record in supporting candidates who actually win in the nomination. Perahps we'll do better this time, but I worry once again we'll go for some quirky candidate who says the right things but is completely implausible as POTUS. (Alan Keynes, talk show host). Plausible candidates are current or former Senators, Governors, Vice Presidents and perhaps high ranking Generals. That's who American's elect as President. Americans do not view the Presidency as an entry level job. Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Hermain Cain, Donald Trump, Steve Forbes etc. And House candidates really never win the nomination, much less the Presidency. Are we prepared to be somewhat realistic?

Here is how Cook closes he analysis on the GOP Bracket from April:

The accuracy rate for anyone's prognostications this far out is dangerously close to zero, so caveat emptor. If Bush does run, it would seem likely that the contest would be for who would be his more conservative alternative, whether that be a member of the tea party or of the more conventional but still very conservative wing of the GOP. Beyond Bush (if he runs), I am most closely watching Paul from the tea-party side and Walker from the very conservative but not tea-party wing, while keeping an eye on Rubio as a wild card. Rubio is enormously talented, seems to have a very bright future, and appears to appeal to a wide variety of generational and demographic groups. Given the GOP's problems, it desperately needs to address its weaknesses with these key portions of the electorate.

In the 538 article "Jeb Bush Has as Good a Chance as Anyone"

Harry Enton writes:

In the GOP, establishment support has usually foretold who will win the party’s nod. When a Republican candidate has won the majority of endorsements from GOP public officials, he has also won the nomination, as discussed in the book “The Party Decides.” Romney, for instance, took the most endorsements in 2012.

Conventional wisdom, but true. If we don't want Jeb it behooves us to find a viable alternative and coalesce around them early. Remember Mitt Romney won the nomination with pluralities of less than 51% in every state. That was due in part to the divided conservative vote. Gingrich, Santorum and Paul all won delegates and States.

Orange=Romney, Green=Santorum, Purple=Newt, Yellow=Paul, Black=Perry

Larry Sabato is the only major analyst to fearlessly rate them all now - here's his ranking from his site: "Sabato's Crystal Ball"

2016 Republican Presidential Watch

Updated March 20, 2014

First Tier
Candidate		Key Advantages	Key Disadvantages	Since Last Update
	Jeb Bush Ex-Governor, FL	•Strong gubernatorial resume •Hispanic connections •Key swing state •National Bush money and organization	•Wrong last name (Bush dynasty) — although Clinton dynasty could neutralize this •George W. Bush’s record? •Does he actually want to run?	↑
	Scott Walker Governor, WI	•Midwest GOP gov. in Obama state •Heroic conservative credentials •Shown political durability	•Too bland? Next Pawlenty? •Do lingering scandals hurt him? •No college degree	↓
	Rand Paul Senator, KY	•Tea Party favorite •Strong support from libertarian GOP wing •National ID and fundraising network	•Too dovish/eclectic for GOP tastes? •Association with out-of-mainstream father •Plagiarism questions	↓
	Chris Christie Governor, NJ	•Dynamic speaker •Shown ability to pursue mainly conservative agenda in Blue state •Could bridge criticism by media rally the right?	•Bridge scandal still playing out •Bullying and out-of-control-staff questions •Not conservative enough for base?	↓
Second Tier
	Marco Rubio Senator, FL	•Dynamic speaker and politician •From most electorally valuable swing state	•Future tough votes in Senate; has and will have federal record •Did his national star peak too soon? •Could he really deliver more Hispanic votes?	–
	Ted Cruz Senator, TX	•Tea Party favorite with voting record to match •Texas and small dollar fundraising •Dynamic speaker •Anti-establishment nature plays well with base	•Tea Party favorite •Too extreme? One word: Shutdown. •Disliked on both sides of the Senate aisle	–
	John Kasich Governor, OH	•Swing state •Long conservative record •Could be fallback for GOP establishment forces	•Supported Medicaid expansion •Makes verbal miscues, lots of video from time as Fox host •Abrasive personality	–
Wild Cards?
	Paul Ryan Representative, WI	•2012 VP candidate — next in line? •General election experience •Strong conservative record	•May not want to run, possibly positioning self for future in House •Not a dynamic campaigner	–
	Mike Huckabee Ex-Governor, AR	•Extensive governing experience •Already vetted •Blue collar appeal •Strong support from social conservatives •Southerner in Southern-centered party	•Too narrow appeal within party? •Disliked by economic conservatives •Small fundraising base	–
	Rob Portman Senator, OH	•Very well qualified; vast government experience •From key swing state •Supports same-sex marriage	•More insider than leading man •Crowded out by fellow Ohioan Kasich? •Supports same-sex marriage	NEW
	Susana Martinez Governor, NM	•Diversity in party sorely in need of it • Electoral success in Blue state • Compelling life story/record	•Pro-Medicaid expansion •Unvetted nationally •Frequently disavows interest in running	NEW
Also-Rans
	Rick Santorum Ex-Senator, PA	•Strong support from social conservatives •2nd place finisher in ‘12 — next in line? •Been around primary track	•Harder to stand out in stronger 2016 field •Lost last Senate race by 17% •Chip-on-shoulder attitude	–
	Rick Perry Governor, TX	•Showing clear improvement as a candidate — “second chance” mentality •Strong conservative credentials •Texas fundraising •Extensive executive experience	•Ran very poor 2012 race •More “Texas” in a nation that is not as conservative as the Lone Star State •“Oops,” we forgot the rest	–

2016 Democratic Presidential Watch

First Tier
Candidate		Key Advantages	Key Disadvantages	Since Last Update
	Hillary Clinton Ex-Secretary of State	•High national popularity and within party •Woman: chance to make history •Can potentially scare away most/all strong opponents if she runs (unlike ‘08)	•Age (69 by Election Day ‘16) •Ran unfocused, too-many-cooks ‘08 campaign and now appears to be making similar early mistakes •Keeping Bill in check — and on the porch •Peaking too soon? Already dominating headlines day after day	–
Second Tier
	Joe Biden Vice President	•Vast experience •Next in line? •VP bully pulpit	•Age (already 71) •Gaffe machine •Poor presidential campaign history	–
Third Tier
	Martin O’Malley Governor, MD	•Willing and very available •Strong liberal record and policy achievements	•Baltimore/Maryland baggage •Nationally unknown •Maryland Obamacare troubles	–
	Brian Schweitzer Ex-Governor, MT	•Westerner •Unique populist personality •Very popular Dem in Red state	•Westerner •Unique personality •Too unpredictable? •Too conservative on guns, environment?	–
Would Only Run If Clinton Doesn’t
	Elizabeth Warren Senator, MA	•Adored by Dem activists •Woman — same history-making potential as Clinton •National ID and fundraising network	•Electable in a general election? Ran several points behind Obama in ‘12 •’12 campaign baggage •Another Bay State Dem?	–
	Andrew Cuomo Governor, NY	•Very popular at home •Impressive policy record already •State/Fed. experience	•Too conventional? •Some liberals unhappy •Another Northeasterner?	–
	Mark Warner Senator, VA	•Strong executive record •Key swing state •Crossover appeal/ bipartisanship theme •Rich and well-financed	•Too moderate? •No national constituency •Not a dynamic speaker	–
	Kirsten Gillibrand Senator, NY	•Woman — same history-making potential as Clinton •Fairly strong liberal record •NY fundraising base	•Bland persona •Nationally unknown •Past NRA support?	–
Wild Card?
	Howard Dean Ex-Governor, VT	•Could attract grassroots support •Former DNC chair, can raise money	•Yesterday’s news?	↑

[Jack Black]

I don’t think Palin is going to run. I think she might win the nomination, but would lose the General election, but I’d still be happy with her as the candidate. Like a lot of other Freeper’s I’d like someone who at least contests the election, which to some extent neither McCain nor Romney did. Both seemed unable to formulate a coherent criticism of Obama, and especially for Romney there was a lot of material there!

[ansel12]

When you can put your opinions into a more concise form I will read it, I’m not interested in your obviously bad analysis, to read through your overly long cut and paste.

[Kenny Bunk]

Both seemed unable to formulate a coherent criticism of Obama

Why Jack, one simply cannot criticize a black man, or even a supercilious mulatto jackass of unknown provenance like Obama. Simply not done. Could be construed as racis.

Don't believe me? Ask a Republican consultant.

[MasterGunner01]

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has principles? Who knew?

[Jack Black]

Here is the Cliff Notes version for you Anse112:Jeb Bush is going to be the nominee. FR will be a non-factor.

My 'bad analysis' was less than a page and, one graphic, and one easy to cruise through chart.

With attention spans like that no wonder we lose.

[greeneyes]

Americans do not view the Presidency as an entry level job.
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Really? I used to think that before Obama. They could elect anything as far as I can tell.

Of your top teir I would rather have Walker, but I am afraid that one of your later posts is correct. Jeb Bush.
I have noticed a bunch of TV progarms about Bush 41 all highly complimentary of 41.

I take that as a first step in “rehabilitating” the Bush name. Sure looks like the GOPe is gearing up for another Bushie. I don’t think he can beat Hillary even with all her albatrosses.

If the conservatives can get together behind one candidate, early, they could win. Somehow that mostly never happens.

[ansel12]

My guess is that you accuse a lot of people of having short attention spans, when you see their reactions to you trying to communicate something.

Anyway, the jist of your thinking seems to be the FR doesn’t amount to anything, yet here you are, more useless than most.

[Kenny Bunk]

Jack, nice job on the chart!

However, apparently you did not get the memo. The 2016 Democratic Ticket is:

For President:
Joe (Plugsy) Biden
For Vice President:
Michelle Robinson Obama

By 2016 Michelle will be a Senator(trix?) from some state or other with a large "urban" population. If the fraud machine works and this outstanding ticket wins, the plan is for Plugsy to succumb to infected hair transplant grafts right after Inauguration, leaving Michelle (Divorced from Barry and seen on Okra Wimpfree every day)as our POTUS.

"The Republican ticket," you ask? Well, I see Bob Dole getting his turn ... again, with Juan Carlos Anybody as Vice Presidential candidate. Karl Rove will have a $2 Billion budget and unerringly guide the ticket to a 55-45% loss, with an 28% turnout, except in Baltimore and Philadelphia (100%+). They will carry every one of the 57 states' electoral votes.

Jeb Bush will run as The Bull Moose Candidate, carrying two Indian Reservations in North Dakota. Sarah Palin will be opening the borders of the Alaska Republic to English-Speaking Caucasian refugees.

So forget your analytics, OK? Water over the dam. The Bilderbergers have decided. I saw the memo when I was emptying the trash at Rosicrucian HQ.

[WatergateMike]

Paul’s rhetoric about making sure the border is secured first is meaningless. We’ve been waiting for that border to be secured for almost 30 years when Reagan made one of the worst mistakes of his presidency by passing amnesty in the mid-80s.

There is no reason to think Obama will enforce ANY law he does not wish to enforce. If the rule of law had any meaning, Obama and his administration would be in prison now. So, even if someone was inclined to think that amnesty coupled with border security is a reasonable deal (I do not think it is reasonable), they should at least demand to see the border enforced for 5 years (or even 30 years, which is how long we’ve been waiting for promise made in the 80s) to see if these treacherous liars are even going to pretend to fulfill their end of the deal before anyone is granted amnesty.

I ask Rand Paul and all the others promising enforcement: Why haven’t you ensured enforcement of the present law? Why have you turned your back on your duty to protect the Constitution by failing to remove this current administration for their numerous abuses?

[SunkenCiv]

• Rand Paul: End 'welfare' to Israel
• Rand Paul: Iran Wants Nukes Because It "Feels Threatened"
• Rand stands with Obama and Kerry on Iran
• Rand Paul: I don't think we should impose new Iran sanctions while negotiations are ongoing
• Rand Paul: Let's get this straight -- I'm not for containing Iran
• Rand Paul stands alone against Senate's 'preemptive war' resolution for Iran [Sept 2014]
• Rand Paul: It's America's Fault
• Rand Paul clarifies: No containment on Iran
• Rand Paul Calls for a Formal Declaration of War Against ISIS
• Sec. of State Kerry: U.S. Not Responsible for Chaos in Iraq, Libya
• NANCY PELOSI: IRAQ IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY
• Paul Blames Iraq Crisis on Bush Administration
• Rand Paul Defends Obama Against Dick Cheney
• Rand Paul Defends President Obama From Dick Cheney
• Casting a Paul on American Strength: In defense and foreign policy, Rand Paul is a menace.

Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]

[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]

[LowOiL]

Jeb Bush is going to be the nominee. FR will be a non-factor.

Just was reviewing some stuff and ran across your post and had to laugh.

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Shhhh, it will just be between you and me. Ansel12 can be a butt.