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See you later, anti-Gators? (Gator forces sites NOT to call it spyware)
CNet News.com ^ | 10.22.03 | Paul Festa

Posted on 10/23/2003 10:01:42 AM PDT by mhking

In an effort to improve its corporate reputation, adware company Gator has launched a legal offensive to divorce its name from the hated term "spyware"--and so far its strategy is paying off.

In response to a libel lawsuit, an antispyware company has settled with Gator and pulled Web pages critical of the company, its practices and its software. And other spyware foes are getting the message.

"There is this feeling out there that they won the lawsuit, and people are starting to get scared," said one employee of a spyware-removal company, who asked not to be named. "We haven't been sued, but we've heard that other companies are being sued for saying this and that, so we've changed our language" on the company Web site.

Gator often distributes its application by bundling it with popular free software like Kazaa and other peer-to-peer programs. When downloaded, Gator's application serves pop-up and pop-under ads to people while they're surfing the Web or when they visit specific sites. Ads can be keyed to sites so that a pitch for low mortgage rates, say, can appear when a surfer visits a rival financial company's site.

The distinction between such "adware," which can report back to its creator with information about the computer user's surfing habits, so as to allow for supposedly more effective ad serving, and "spyware," which similarly monitors surfing habits and serves up ads, is sometimes a hazy one, and lies at the heart of Gator's libel suit.

Gator maintains that its software differs from spyware in that people are clearly notified before they download it, and in that they do so in exchange for a service, like the peer-to-peer software.

Spyware, the company maintains, is surreptitiously installed and gives the unwitting computer user no benefit.

But critics of adware companies question how clearly such downloads are marked--PC users may suddenly be deluged with pop-ups and have no idea where they're coming from--and protest that companies like Gator are collecting information without sufficiently accounting for what they do with it.

The defendant in the Gator libel suit, PC Pitstop, offers software to cleanse computers of spyware and other undesirable code, and until signing a preliminary settlement with Gator on Sept. 30, vociferously targeted Gator's application.

In settling the suit, which alleged false advertising, unfair business practices, trade libel, defamation and tortious interference, PC Pitstop apparently removed several pages from its Web site that referred to Gator's application as spyware--along with many that went beyond that to urge action against Gator itself.

Executives for both companies declined to discuss settlement terms, citing a confidentiality agreement. But Gator advised a reporter to "go to their new site and draw your own conclusions" about what PC Pitstop did to comply with the settlement.

PC Pitstop used to publish pages on its Spyware Information Center titled "Is Gator Spyware?" the "Gator Boycott List," and the "Gator Quiz." Those pages are now gone. But as of Tuesday, they could still be found in the Google cache, which keeps copies of missing or unavailable Web pages for a limited time. (By Wednesday the cache of those pages had expired.)

"PC Pitstop believes that Gator products degrade the quality of a user's PC experience," read the cached PC Pitstop page urging a boycott of companies advertising through Gator. "This belief is based on our hands-on use of Gator products and experience with hundreds of systems in our forums....Although Gator Corporation likes to make a distinction and call their products 'adware,' other sources make no such distinction. Independent research has shown that they collect extensive information and have not clearly explained how the information is used once it reaches the Gator servers."

A Gator executive said the suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, was part of a larger strategy to educate spyware-removers about the company's software--and to put an end to the practice of calling it "spyware."

"If we find anyone publicly calling us spyware, we correct it and take action if necessary," said Scott Eagle, Gator's senior vice president of marketing.

In addition to going on the offensive against detractors, Gator has spent significant time in court defending its practices against the charges of companies that run Web sites that Gator has targeted with its ads.

Gator in February settled litigation brought against it by the New York Post, The New York Times, Dow Jones and other media companies. The Washington Post, L.L. Bean and Extended Stay America have sued the company, and their consolidated lawsuit will be decided by the Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation in Washington, D.C.

Meanwhile, the courts have smiled on a company that operates a similar ad network. Last month, WhenU survived a legal challenge brought against it by moving company U-Haul after WhenU served ads for U-Haul's competitors on top of U-Haul Web pages.

Eagle declined to comment on other specific spyware-busters, such as the New York City-based Enigma Software Group or InterMute, in Braintree, Mass. Those companies have advertised that they can rid computers of Gator--but their Web sites no longer mention the software. Eagle said he could not talk about ongoing actions.

Enigma Software Group could not be reached for comment. InterMute, which previously has spoken openly against Gator, declined to comment.

"Companies like Gator are the Goliath that average computer users are up against in the war for online privacy," Ed English, CEO of InterMute, said last month in an interview with CNET News.com.

Gator said it would take on its critics on a case-by-case basis.

"There are going to be detractor sites," Eagle said. "What we can do is focus on education and getting the word out there. We have discussions on this topic whenever we need to."

For its part, PC Pitstop said that, whatever the terms of its settlement, it continued to target Gator's software on people's computers.

"PC Pitstop detects a variety of situations that we would consider problems, including certain software that we didn't think was in the best interest of the end user," said Dave Methvin, chief technology officer for the Web-based start-up. "We currently detect and recommend removal of Gator."

CNET News.com's Stefanie Olsen contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: adaware; bigbrother; bottomfeeders; computers; evilcorporations; gator; internet; lawsuit; libel; libelcase; liberllawsuit; lowlifes; privacy; spybot; spyware; websites
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1 posted on 10/23/2003 10:01:43 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Bull. It's still spyware as far as I'm concerned, and I hope they go out of business....painfully, even...

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

2 posted on 10/23/2003 10:02:24 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Gator drives me INSANE.
3 posted on 10/23/2003 10:03:40 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: mhking
Good, free (limited use - unlimited for $29.95), SPYWARE FREE answer to Gator:

AI Roboform

4 posted on 10/23/2003 10:04:07 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: mhking
Spybot Search and Destroy free spyware remover bump!
5 posted on 10/23/2003 10:06:15 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: mhking
I use ad aware, it is shareware for the basic program, I had 94 adware/spyware programs running on my system the first time I ran it, and my system was sluggish to say the least, and I am on DSL.

Now I am back to full speed, it's wonderful stuff.

Ad aware is an excellent program, took it 5 minutes to find and get rid of the garbage.
6 posted on 10/23/2003 10:09:34 AM PDT by Ogmios (Since when is 66 senate votes for judicial confirmations constitutional?)
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FREE PC PROTECTION (not an exhaustive list):

7 posted on 10/23/2003 10:10:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: mhking
Their software is the most invasive and intrusive software I have ever had.

Somehow I got it on this computer. It tried to take over the computer when I fired it up each morning or after it went into hibernation.

It was really having a negative impact. A young relative came over and spent about 1 hour delousing my computer to get rid of it.

I think I got it by visiting their site after some Freeper posted that it was a great site.
8 posted on 10/23/2003 10:11:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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To: mhking; dfwgator
Go GATORS!!

>xxx~
9 posted on 10/23/2003 10:12:19 AM PDT by subterfuge
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To: mhking
No problemo. I always preferred 'scumware' to 'spyware' anyway.
10 posted on 10/23/2003 10:17:16 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: mhking
Gator is EVIL and no amount of lawyer meddling will change that. Call it malware, spyware, whatever, it should be expunged from every computer on the planet.
11 posted on 10/23/2003 10:17:49 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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To: mhking
I used a spyware scan utility last night on my home PC and I was amazed how much junk it found that I had apparently overlooked. I still get pop-ups but not nearly as bad as before. Gator was one of them
12 posted on 10/23/2003 10:18:33 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: mhking
I agree. Gator isn't Spyware, it's a virus. I somehow got it on my PC and it took several different attempts to get rid of it. Remove it through Control Panel and it will re-install itself the next time you boot. I finally had to hack my registry to purge it.
13 posted on 10/23/2003 10:19:43 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: mhking
Screw gator - [spit].

I really hate those people.

14 posted on 10/23/2003 10:21:44 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: martin_fierro
I found this popup stopper from a college student to be very small, neat and effective:

Pop-Down

15 posted on 10/23/2003 10:22:15 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Xenalyte
I finally managed to rid myself of Gator about a year ago. TG!
16 posted on 10/23/2003 10:23:24 AM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Gator maintains that its software differs from spyware in that people are clearly notified before they download it

What a LIE!

17 posted on 10/23/2003 10:24:50 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Slings and Arrows
Gator had infiltrated my computer to the point that it was driving me batty. I transcribe in Word Perfect 5.1 and every time a popup comes up it knocks me out of the Word Perfect 5.1 screen and I have to stop transcribing and bring back the WP 5.1 screen. This was happening approximately every 3 minutes, sometimes so frequently that it was happening 10 times in one report I was transcribing. I ran Spybot and I now have NO popups. It found 106 files, most of them Gator. Spybot saved my sanity (and my paycheck!) :)
18 posted on 10/23/2003 10:27:09 AM PDT by EagleMamaMT
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
GATOR and others like it is parasitic trash and I hope they go under like they deserve to. They come unwanted and unannouced and screw up your computer... F*****k them
19 posted on 10/23/2003 10:28:09 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: mhking; stainlessbanner; Poohbah; general_re
"If we find anyone publicly calling us spyware, we correct it and take action if necessary," said Scott Eagle, Gator's senior vice president of marketing.

Scott, your product is complete bulls***, plain and simple. I paid for my computer, I pay monthly broadband services, and you throw stuff up on there that I didn't want and don't need. Your popup banners come up when I'm creating documents for work, unbidden, they slow services and they act like a virus.

Don't try to pretend they're like TV advertising, because when I'm watching programming that I choose, unrelated ads don't fill up my screen or otherwise impede performance of the TV set.

20 posted on 10/23/2003 10:28:48 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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