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"Naked" Miss Afghanistan slammed (Shut-Up Burqa Boys, she lives in the Land of the Free)
AFP via Melbourne Herald Sun ^ | 27 October 2003

Posted on 10/26/2003 9:09:04 PM PST by Stultis

"Naked" Miss Afghanistan slammed
AFP
27oct03

PRESIDENT Hamid Karzai's minister for women's affairs yesterday condemned Miss Afghanistan, as Vida Samadzai became the country's first woman in the post-Taliban era to appear in a bikini during a beauty contest in Manila.

"Appearing naked before a camera or television is not women's freedom but in my opinion is to entertain men," Minister Habiba Surabi said.

"We condemn Vida Samadzai, she is not representing Afghanistan's women, and this is not women's freedom."

Surabi said according to Afghan culture women should not demonstrate their worth using their "beauty or bodies" but by their skills and knowledge.

"In the name of women's freedom, what this Afghan girl has done is not freedom but is lascivious," the minister said.

The 25-year-old Afghan contestant, who lives in the United States, is the first Afghan woman in 30 years to participate in the Miss World international beauty contest being held in the Philippines capital this week.

The dark-haired, black-eyed Samadzai, apparently from a Pashtun tribe, was born and raised in Afghanistan but left for the United States in 1996 to escape the extremist Taliban regime which forced women to cover themselves from head to toe.

Under the harsh regime women were not allowed to work outside their homes or go out without a close relative beside them. After the fall of the militia in 2001, an increasing number of women left the burqa, or veil, at home and some took jobs.

The only other Miss Afghanistan was Zohra Daoud, who joined the Miss Universe contest in 1972.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; missafghanistan; pageant
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To: Post Toasties
Then we have white slavery which is endemic through the Muslim Middle East. There, when a girl or woman walks unclothed in front of others, it is not of her free will, but because she is about to be purchased.

This is whole other topic than that initially argumented, but I have seen no "evidence" for this contention. Rumors of "white slavery" have long abounded (and were widespread belief in 19th century), but is this more common than Chinese "slaves" in America or Albanian and Moldovan slaves in Italy or Israel? In part of Africa (Mauritania) this is certainly case, but I see no evidence in "mainstream" Arab Muslim countries.

You people put me in amusing position defending Arabs, but I do not mind. Legitimate criticism is better than libels.

61 posted on 10/27/2003 6:58:54 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
Jesus was carpenter. All Christians are followers of Jesus. Therefore all Christians try to be carpenters? Logic is interesting

You really don't want to get into a comparison of Jesus vs mohammed.

Jesus was a good and holy man. He fulfilled the law perfectly. He did not lie, cheat, or steal (that is, He did not sin). All Christians are followers of Jesus. Therefore all Christians try to be like Jesus.

Jesus left behind a group of followers who have changed the world into a better place, and who continue to do so.

Mohammed on the other hand was a low-life dictator who lied, cheated, stole and raped his way to power. Taking every advantage of his allies, his followers and anyone else stupid enough to believe him.

Mohammed left behind a group of followers whose main achievement is terror and mass murder and holding people in the stone age.

62 posted on 10/27/2003 7:48:13 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
You really don't want to get into a comparison of Jesus vs mohammed.

No I don't, since I have no use for either. My point was to illustrate demented attempt at logical thinking on your part. Not every aspect of Jesus life is to be emulated (like being carpenter) just as not every aspect of Mohammed life is to be emulated by those devout. If you say otherwise, you are being silly.

Therefore all Christians try to be like Jesus.

Therefore all Christians should be carpenters? I do not understand. You look for Jesus' teachings as example, but Mohammed's practice. Seems like double standard to this third party.

63 posted on 10/27/2003 8:29:29 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Stultis

Oh...my...Argentina! Argentina!!

64 posted on 10/27/2003 8:36:42 AM PST by Snardius
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To: Unam Sanctam
Unam Sanctimonious, choose your own dress. You've got no right to dictate hers.
65 posted on 10/27/2003 8:44:28 AM PST by SarahW
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To: Snardius

Pitter-patter goes my heart...
For the lovely Miss Argentina.

66 posted on 10/27/2003 8:48:43 AM PST by Snardius
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To: Stultis
Surabi said according to Afghan culture women should not demonstrate their worth using their "beauty or bodies" but by their skills and knowledge.

Except of course when they strap 50 lbs of TNT to their bosoms...

67 posted on 10/27/2003 8:51:52 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Stultis

68 posted on 10/27/2003 8:52:09 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: SarahW
I am not dictating her dress. But I have EVERY RIGHT to express my opinion. I also have my right to my beliefs. I have a right to be sanctimonious if I wish. I know that you modern promiscuous sex-promoting anti-religious bigots feel that you can spew hatred of traditional religious believers with impunity, but then cry for censorship if any traditional religious believer so much as expresses his or her opinion. Frankly, dressing like Madonna or Britney Spears is a step backward for women. The sexual revolution had a victim, and it is women, since it freed men from any obligations to commitment. That's what I believe and what I will continue to believe. I am simply saying that this is not progress for women or for Afghanistan, plus it is unwise to provide propaganda for the Taliban, particularly since the new regime is not yet secure. But apparently the model dwells in the US and did it of her own accord, so there is nothing one can do about it. However, I still believe it unwise, and if she falsely acted as if she was officially representing her government, then that is dishonest.
69 posted on 10/27/2003 8:55:10 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Stultis
First, give her some food.....
70 posted on 10/27/2003 9:12:05 AM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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To: Stultis
< snip >

"Appearing naked before a camera or television is not women's freedom but in my opinion is to entertain men," Minister Habiba Surabi said.

"We condemn Vida Samadzai, she is not representing Afghanistan's women, and this is not women's freedom."

Surabi said according to Afghan culture women should not demonstrate their worth using their "beauty or bodies" but by their skills and knowledge.

"In the name of women's freedom, what this Afghan girl has done is not freedom but is lascivious," the minister said.

< snip >

Outside of the technical issue that she is not naked, I'm finding it hard to find something in these statements I strongly disagree with. Calling her lascivious is a bit over the top though.

71 posted on 10/27/2003 9:12:55 AM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: Alter Kaker
You look for Jesus' teachings as example, but Mohammed's practice. Seems like double standard to this third party.

Actually we look both to Jesus' teachings and to his practice. He was flawless in both. He was a carpenter, he earned His own living. That is something to be followed.

Also, my understanding of the koran and the rest of the islamic writings is that every aspect of mohammed's life was to be emulated.

72 posted on 10/27/2003 9:48:47 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
Also, my understanding of the koran and the rest of the islamic writings is that every aspect of mohammed's life was to be emulated.

And this is as metaphoric in Islam as is in Christianty. You are not expected to live exactly like Mohammed just as not all Christian is expected to live exactly like Jesus by being carpenter and living in desert and dying as martyr and whatnot. You cannot impose flexibility in analysis of your own religion while holder stricter scruples to others.

73 posted on 10/27/2003 10:25:35 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Bikinis did not free men from having to "commit".

You have a right to be called sanctimonious, and wrong. By me.

Who is censoring you, anyway? Just mind your own dress, if you feel it protects you from your sin nature. (It doesn't.)

74 posted on 10/27/2003 10:28:19 AM PST by SarahW
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To: Alter Kaker
If the muslim faith weren't so legalistic, with submission of the will via mind-numbing rules and regulations its object, I might take you more seriously.
75 posted on 10/27/2003 10:32:56 AM PST by SarahW
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To: SarahW
Yes, Islamic faith is stupid religion. This is all seperate from original point which is that it is stupid to make blanket statement about Muslims being pedophiles and homosexuals when such things seem not more common in Islam countries than in West.
76 posted on 10/27/2003 10:34:11 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Cacique
Check out #66
77 posted on 10/27/2003 11:09:27 AM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Yehuda
So I suppose because there are no such demonstrations we should give up trying to help build a humane and democratic society in Afghanistan and Iraq? Should we exclude even the possibility of an enlightened version of Islam? Should we just nuke all the inhabitants of Afghanistan and Iraq because they are Moslems, or should we try to continue the great long term project of President Bush in trying to help the Moslems see a better way? The President and National Security Rice have a wiser and more prudent course than those who simply want to write off Moslems as a whole.
79 posted on 10/27/2003 3:16:46 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Prime Choice
And the downside to this is...?

While I personally think that a Miss Afghanistan is perfectly fine, it's not like we want to be *ostracizing* Muslims. Yes, it is a political religion. Yes, it is conductive to violent behavior. But let's tackle the problem as tastefully as we can; let's not give extremist Arabs a reason to hate us even more than they do.

80 posted on 10/27/2003 3:33:52 PM PST by MegaSilver
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