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Another 'Honor' Victim: Daughter, Raped By Brothers, Killed By Mother
Knight Ridder ^ | 11.14.2003 | Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson

Posted on 11/17/2003 1:41:38 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: NYC GOP Chick
I wish Bush would turn Israel loose on those psychos.
61 posted on 11/17/2003 2:21:33 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Today's music ain't got the same soul. I like that old time Rock N Roll" - Bob Seger)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
So naturally we desire to carve up Israel and give her to these Philistines...
and demand along with these Philisitnes.. the "right of return" to Israel of other Palestinians who have fled
Israel for a variety of reasons and crimes...
62 posted on 11/17/2003 2:22:32 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: colorado tanker
Well, that's the difference between you and me. I DO pretend to understand it. ;)

Frankly, I think you hit the nail squarely on the head. No more study required.
63 posted on 11/17/2003 2:22:38 PM PST by pgyanke ("If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave." Ar-Bshp Fulton Sheen)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
A mother who kills her child brings dishonor on her family.

Is that too obvious for this backward culture to understand?

Why do Muslims believe sexual morality is the only morality? They kill innocent children and pretend a woman covering her chin trumps the murder?

Here's my guess: it's more fun for a Muslim husband to "take" his wife when she's made to feel excessive shame about her body. Muslim marriage as eternal rape fantasy?

It's time for these people to join the modern world and quit acting like common cult members. The rest of us are tired of them.

64 posted on 11/17/2003 2:25:02 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Bloodthirsty savages. And the "government" at least made an appearance of caring about the girl, unlike her pathetic excuse for a mother. If these barbarians actually get an independent state, they could easily elect leaders that make Arafat look like Thomas Jefferson.
65 posted on 11/17/2003 2:26:10 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Williams
Bombing people that believe in killing women for "honor" into oblivion would put the poor women and girls out of their misery and the men DESIRVE IT! This isn't religion it is mental illness on a culture-wide leve. These people cannot have the concept of loving their families like actual human beings do and accept crimes like this as normal. If we aren't at war with creatures like this then we are condoning it, sanctioning it and promoting it as a viable way to conduct civilization!!!!!!!

It is not Israel's fault by the way, I read an article that the British are having trouble keeping immigrant Arabs from killing their daughters over there once they become exposed to Civilization. Israel has no hold on anyone in the UK to my knowledge. Arabs perpetrate this horror wherever they may be. In the name of their wonderful religion.
66 posted on 11/17/2003 2:27:15 PM PST by Hillwoman
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To: Sender
"Islamic thought just gets more and more disturbing"

No; Islamic thought is the same as it always has been, brutal and barbaric and filled with hate. The difference is that we are becoming more and more aware of it.

67 posted on 11/17/2003 2:28:08 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Qaoud says her husband, Abdul Rahim, 52, told her the Quran forbade such killings. But neither his pleas nor those of Palestinian crisis counselors swayed her. "Why did she accept what happened to her?" Qaoud asks. "Even a wife can tell her husband 'no.' "

According to the Koran, a wife cannot tell her husband no. She is his field, he can plow her as he will.

But with all the wickedness in the Koran, it does not say that rape victims must be killed. I don't know if it addresses rape at all. Try "Ask the Imam" and you will find no answer, but some mercy.

Poor girl. Rest in peace.

Mrs VS

68 posted on 11/17/2003 2:29:28 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: SauronOfMordor
Sons are more valuable than daughters, in Arab culture. It's the son who will take care of you when you're old. The daughter is expendable

You sure seem to have a handle on Arab culture...thank you.
I especially like your comment earlier about not believing everything they say. Who knows what the whole story is.
Anyways, I'd be an obnoxious Arab woman. They'd probably stone me for protecting, or avenging, my daughter.

Our son and daughter used to love asking me what I'd do if someone ever hurt them.(or if they hurt each other) It became a very gory and graphic exercise, which sent them into gales of laughter.

They thought I was kidding.

69 posted on 11/17/2003 2:31:22 PM PST by b9
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To: VeritatisSplendor
Rape from the point of view of justice for the victims, I mean. Muslims can rape their captives.

Mrs VS
70 posted on 11/17/2003 2:32:40 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Honor killings happen all over the Muslim world including turkey...you know that "secular" state. http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/dilberk.htm
71 posted on 11/17/2003 2:35:26 PM PST by eleni121
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Well, now we know why the UN and the Europeans so admire the Palestinians and their culture. And the feminazis too.
72 posted on 11/17/2003 2:35:55 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: NYC GOP Chick; dennisw; veronica
All cultures are equal.

/sarcasm

[Bloody barbarians]
73 posted on 11/17/2003 2:38:07 PM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
she did what she believes any good Palestinian parent would: restored her family's "honor" through murder.

Yes, her honor has been restored in my view (/sarcasm).

What is not to honor in a mother who would kill her own child to gain favor of others? Hm....this sounds a little like abortion doesn't it?

74 posted on 11/17/2003 2:38:40 PM PST by ClancyJ
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To: river rat
Same old Mad Mo's Insane Murder Cult!
75 posted on 11/17/2003 2:43:59 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sunshine Sister
how much value does life have here where it is turned around and the innocent child can be killed?
76 posted on 11/17/2003 2:44:44 PM PST by Joshh86
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To: Dan from Michigan
"I wish Bush would turn Israel loose on those psychos."

Yes, according to the ways of the OT. Next Palestinian boy that does an Israili girl, let's have a replay of the story of Dinah, or something along those lines.

Now Dinah the daughter of Leah, whom she had borne to Jacob, went out to visit the daughters of the land. When Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her, he took her and lay with her by force. He was deeply attracted to Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the girl and spoke tenderly to her. So Shechem spoke to his father Hamor, saying, "Get me this young girl for a wife." Now Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter; but his sons were with his livestock in the field, so Jacob kept silent until they came in.

Then Hamor the father of Shechem went out to Jacob to speak with him. Now the sons of Jacob came in from the field when they heard {it;} and the men were grieved, and they were very angry because he had done a disgraceful thing in Israel by lying with Jacob's daughter, for such a thing ought not to be done. But Hamor spoke with them, saying, "The soul of my son Shechem longs for your daughter; please give her to him in marriage. "Intermarry with us; give your daughters to us and take our daughters for yourselves. "Thus you shall live with us, and the land shall be {open} before you; live and trade in it and acquire property in it." Shechem also said to her father and to her brothers, "If I find favor in your sight, then I will give whatever you say to me. "Ask me ever so much bridal payment and gift, and I will give according as you say to me; but give me the girl in marriage." But Jacob's sons answered Shechem and his father Hamor with deceit, because he had defiled Dinah their sister. They said to them, "We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one who is uncircumcised, for that would be a disgrace to us. "Only on this {condition} will we consent to you: if you will become like us, in that every male of you be circumcised, then we will give our daughters to you, and we will take your daughters for ourselves, and we will live with you and become one people. "But if you will not listen to us to be circumcised, then we will take our daughter and go."

Now their words seemed reasonable to Hamor and Shechem, Hamor's son. The young man did not delay to do the thing, because he was delighted with Jacob's daughter. Now he was more respected than all the household of his father. So Hamor and his son Shechem came to the gate of their city and spoke to the men of their city, saying, "These men are friendly with us; therefore let them live in the land and trade in it, for behold, the land is large enough for them. Let us take their daughters in marriage, and give our daughters to them. "Only on this {condition} will the men consent to us to live with us, to become one people: that every male among us be circumcised as they are circumcised. "Will not their livestock and their property and all their animals be ours? Only let us consent to them, and they will live with us." All who went out of the gate of his city listened to Hamor and to his son Shechem, and every male was circumcised, all who went out of the gate of his city.

Now it came about on the third day, when they were in pain, that two of Jacob's sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, each took his sword and came upon the city unawares, and killed every male. They killed Hamor and his son Shechem with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah from Shechem's house, and went forth. Jacob's sons came upon the slain and looted the city, because they had defiled their sister. They took their flocks and their herds and their donkeys, and that which was in the city and that which was in the field; and they captured and looted all their wealth and all their little ones and their wives, even all that {was} in the houses. Then Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, "You have brought trouble on me by making me odious among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites; and my men being few in number, they will gather together against me and attack me and I will be destroyed, I and my household." But they said, "Should he treat our sister as a harlot?" (Gen. 34)

77 posted on 11/17/2003 2:46:59 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Williams
"But let me get this straight, many of you are so upset by...."

Perhaps it is but a technicality, but; I am not upset by this story, as I don't believe it.

Based on the actions, and words, of the Palestinian people I have witnessed since their inception; I know that peace with them is not at all possible. They do not want it, and do not know how to exist without hatred.

I should be ashamed....but, the only rational course of action, in my opinion, is their anihalation. There cannot be peace with them. There can only be peace without them.

78 posted on 11/17/2003 2:47:35 PM PST by laotzu
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I know that we tended to be cruel in the days of the Scarlet Letter but I do think the one part of Christian Culture that gets over there is "He, who is without sin .....!", "The Prodigal Son..."

I think perhaps, the Scarlet Letter should be required for all perpetrators of honor killings and that they should be branded with a "H" because they put ego above life...

This is some of the worst behavior I have ever heard of...


79 posted on 11/17/2003 2:48:56 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: droberts
Kind of what the NAZIs said about the Jews.

What does whatever Nazis said about Jews have to do with this incident?

This is a cultural thing not a religious thing.

Are you saying we should be respectful of other cultures and that we are "Nazis" if we think it is barbaric for a mother to murder her own daughter for being raped?

80 posted on 11/17/2003 2:49:38 PM PST by Alouette (My son, the Learned Elder of Zion)
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