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Jackson's explicit letters seized (child's name redacted for FR)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 24th, 2003 | CAROLINE GRAHAM and SHARON CHURCHER

Posted on 11/23/2003 9:36:27 AM PST by Sabertooth

EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.

Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.

"The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.

"The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.

"They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."

The accuser, 12-year-old Los Angeles cancer victim ******, also told police Jackson's pet name for him was Rubba.

"The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police," the source said.

"He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'

Although police handling the case in Santa Barbara, California, have been barred from revealing any details, it is understood the alleged abuse took place in February.

Jackson is said to have befriended ****** -- who, during a controversial British documentary screened earlier this year, admitted having shared a bed with the singer -- over a long period.

A source close to 45-year-old Jackson said: "For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do.

"Michael says he learned this from an adult when he was a teenager. No-one on his staff ever said anything. He's a tyrant. Everybody obeys the man."

Another Jackson source said: "The boy told of everything that went on and described things in Michael's closets, his bathroom, what was under his bed."

In her statements to police, ******'s mother, #####, has revealed that Jackson encouraged her son to call him "Daddy".

##### has claimed she, ****** and his two siblings were held virtual prisoners at Neverland, 100km north of Santa Barbara.

When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night.

A source close to district attorney Tom Sneddon, who will prosecute the case, said: "The DA is very confident with the evidence he has. This includes letters, videos and computer files. They believe they have enough to nail Jackson."

Jackson's legal team is said to be encouraging him to consider a plea bargain, possibly an insanity defence that would allow him to serve time in a state mental hospital instead of jail.

There was speculation yesterday that the singer raised his $3 million bail with the help of Miami-based Al Malnik, a lawyer for notorious gangster Meyer Lansky, who died in 1983.

Malnik reportedly began making large loans to Jackson when his career nosedived.

Malnik, 69, was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as a person of unsuitable character.

The prosecution source said: "It just gets weirder and weirder. Michael supposedly has financial problems, but hiring someone with Mob connections is bizarre."

Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.

They are also said to be considering quizzing the son of an English premiership footballer.

Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage.

At the same time as the Neverland swoop, police raided two homes in Los Angeles.

One was reportedly the residence of Marc Schaffel, a gay video producer who filmed the rebuttal tape Jackson released just after Martin Bashir's British documentary aired.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: childmolester; hollywood; homosexualvice; jacko; jackson; michaeljackson; molester; pederast; pedophile; pervert; wacko
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This article was posted earlier, but was pulled because it revealed the name of Jackson't accuser, who is a minor. I've reposted with his name redacted, as well as that of his mother, to respect his privacy.

There was an interesting link on the other thread to a 9/11 thread from 2001, which mentioned Jackson's possible mob contact, Albert Malnik, who was a protege of Murder Incorporated's Meyer Lansky. Go here, and scroll down for Malnik.

Not suggesting that means anything in the Jackson case, I just found it interesting.


1 posted on 11/23/2003 9:36:28 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Seems as if the Brittish press has no compunction in the use of anonymity.
2 posted on 11/23/2003 9:42:28 AM PST by Bogey78O (No! Don't throw me in the briar patch!!!!!)
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To: Lorenb420; SheLion; ex-Texan; Betty Jo; PeteFromMontana; Lazamataz; doodad; DumpsterDiver; ...




Flagging those who were on the other thread.


3 posted on 11/23/2003 9:44:28 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Bogey78O
Funny, they have no problem with their courts being able to stop the press from writing negative things about the "royal" family.

BTW, the mother should also be sent to jail for this crime.

4 posted on 11/23/2003 9:46:06 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: Bogey78O
Funny, they have no problem with their courts being able to stop the press from writing negative things about the "royal" family.

BTW, the mother should also be sent to jail for this crime.

5 posted on 11/23/2003 9:46:08 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: Sabertooth
I've reposted with his name redacted, as well as that of his mother, to respect his privacy.

His name is all over the place since he was in the tv special. His mothers name is quoted in nearly every paper. Why bother?

6 posted on 11/23/2003 9:48:24 AM PST by alisasny (Michael Jackson for Senate minority leader!)
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks.
7 posted on 11/23/2003 9:50:33 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
8 posted on 11/23/2003 9:52:02 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Sabertooth
What I want to know is what the hell is Jackson doing making a video with R. Kelly, that other pedo, called "One more chance"? Are they kidding me? Another chance for what? Hey, maybe OJ should team together with Robert Blake and make a video .
9 posted on 11/23/2003 9:52:04 AM PST by metalboy (I`m still waiting for the mass protests against Al Qaida and Saddam)
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To: metalboy
It's looking grim for The Moonwalker.
10 posted on 11/23/2003 9:59:52 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Sabertooth; Betty Jo
Here again is my blurb about the Jacko/Malnik connection:

Jacko’s Bail Thanks to Reputed Mobster?
By Roger Friedman

Michael Jackson’s finances are a little better than we thought. That may be because Miami loan king Al Malnik is on his side and in his corner.

I am told that Malnik was instrumental in a recent restructuring of Jackson’s finances — no mean feat considering his tumultuous history. I am also told that Jackson’s ability to pay his $3 million bail and legal bills in the multi millions may come from Malnik’s largesse and interest in his career.

On the new "Greatest Hits" album, Malnik’s name is one of the few who are mentioned under "Special thanks" from the singer.

Malnik was the lawyer for late mobster Meyer Lansky and when Lansky died in 1983, Reader’s Digest called Malnik the mobster’s "heir apparent," a moniker that has been repeated frequently.

Malnik has become very close to Jackson in recent years. And according to my sources, he’s loaned Jackson money — lots of it.

The 69-year-old lawyer is the owner of a famous restaurant called the Forge in Miami. But his real business is loaning money, just what Jackson needs right now. His firm, Title Loans of America, according to the Palm Beach Post, is a national chain of loan stores that makes money from the interest charged on quick cash offered to people who need cash, and fast.

The New York Times reported in 2000 that Malnik was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as "a person of unsuitable character."

Malnik is popular on the Miami social scene with his new wife Nancy, and he has always denied mob ties. He was arrested and tried in April 1969 for income tax evasion but was subsequently acquitted, according to the Miami Herald.

Calls to Malnik at The Forge went unreturned.

Here is a picture of the happy couple:


(Shareef Malnik, Al Malnik, Serena Williams, Michael Jackson, Chris Tucker and Brett Ratner at The Forge.)

Shareef Malnick and The Forge

Reliable sources will only say that Jackson and Malnik are "personal friends," and "they've been friends for years." The official word from Malnik is "I have no present or past business relationship of any kind with Michael Jackson, nor is one contemplated."

11 posted on 11/23/2003 9:59:56 AM PST by Lorenb420
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To: metalboy
J. Lo and Ben Affleck had R. Kelly sing at Affleck's birthday party. A known child molester. These hollywood people are twisted freaks.
12 posted on 11/23/2003 10:00:13 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Lorenb420
Serena Williams. You can tell by looking at her that she's a freak too.
13 posted on 11/23/2003 10:01:15 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Sabertooth
I hope it's true that police are finding corroborating evidence such as these letters. Of course with juries these days, nothing short of a videotape of Jackson sexually assaulting a boy who is heard to say "No, no, I don't want to and I'm only 12" would seem like a sure thing. Even then, however, there would likely be at least one juror who would buy a Jackson "evil twin" defense.
14 posted on 11/23/2003 10:05:21 AM PST by dagnabbit (Stop immigrating Islam. Don't let France happen to America.)
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To: Sabertooth; All
Thanks, Sabertooth.

Anybody got the link for that Daily Mirror story that was posted on the zapped thread about the fit Jackson threw on his flight back to Santa Barbara?

15 posted on 11/23/2003 10:05:41 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Bogey78O
If you can't publish the name of the accussing victim then the name of the accused can be published either. I think it is only fair way around facing your accuser clause. Forget jackson, the false accusation is enough to destroy a life.
16 posted on 11/23/2003 10:06:12 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: Bogey78O
"When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night."

Funny, FOX News reported that Jackson had to nearly evict this family from Neverland after the boy's cancer went into remission, and that apparently, this was the time when the issue of the molestation came into being, which was the reason why Jackson hired Geragos way back in February.

17 posted on 11/23/2003 10:06:53 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: alisasny



His name is all over the place since he was in the tv special. His mothers name is quoted in nearly every paper. Why bother?

Because he's a 13 year-old boy, and we're above that. Doesn't matter how low anyone else goes.


18 posted on 11/23/2003 10:07:38 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: aristeides
TAKE ME TO SOUTH AMERICA
19 posted on 11/23/2003 10:10:27 AM PST by Lorenb420
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To: Betty Jo
More on Malnik-Saudi connection:

Source: Shareef Malnick and The Forge

With his daring style and leading-man good looks, Shareef Malnik also demonstrates a distinct adeptness for acquiring high-profile wives. During a four year period while his father was acting as chief financial advisor to Saudi Royal family member Prince Turki Bin-Aziz, son of the king of Saudi Arabia, Shareef married Sheika Hoda Al-Fassi, the daughter of Prince Turki's brother-in-law, the notoriously flamboyant Sheik Mohammed Al-Fassi.

(Sheik Al-Fassi almost single-handedly supported the South Florida economy during his year-long stay here in the early 80s by purchasing several homes from Miami Beach's Star Island to Golden Beach and The Landings in Fort Lauderdale, plus numerous cars and boats. At one point, the Sheik ran-up a $1.4 million bill at the Diplomat hotel in Hollywood. Miami, however, withdrew its welcome mat when Sheik Al-Fassi's checks started bouncing. Sheik Mohammed Al-Fassi, who also gained notoriety for hiring artists to paint pubic hair and flesh-colored genitalia on the classic Italian statutes that surrounded his 38-room Beverly Hills mansion, passed away on December 24, 2002 in Cairo, Egypt.)

After Shareef's marriage to the Saudi princess—a period where he and his father spent much of their time residing in the Saudi Royal Family Palace—Shareef returned to Miami and later married his fourth wife,


20 posted on 11/23/2003 10:12:57 AM PST by Lorenb420
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To: Sabertooth
I find the involvement of mob figure Malnik incredible. What could they possible have in common other than an unhealthy interest in little boys?
22 posted on 11/23/2003 10:13:46 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So how did Fox know the Jacksons tried to evict them? And if true, is it relevant if there are indeed love letters. You don't think someone would try to blame a 12 year old cancer ridden boy of seducing the great one do you? And what did you expect from the Jacksons and their publicists other than a massive smear on this kid. I really don't care if his mother is evil, if she sent the kid in to trap Michael,,,that will be claimed next, if he abused that kid, he is a dead man already and doesn't know it or maybe he does and that explains his fit on his plane. Doesn't act like an innocent man. Acts like a man who diddles children.
23 posted on 11/23/2003 10:13:47 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Sabertooth
Thus are the future consequences of gay marriage. It's going to be a bonanza for the psychiatric and legal industries that gave it official blessing.
24 posted on 11/23/2003 10:13:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (California: Where government is pornography every day!)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Serena looks like a normal woman to me. But she is hanging with a bad crowd.
25 posted on 11/23/2003 10:14:50 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: longtermmemmory



If you can't publish the name of the accussing victim then the name of the accused can be published either. I think it is only fair way around facing your accuser clause. Forget jackson, the false accusation is enough to destroy a life.

Sexual predators of the world applaud your stance. Kudos.


26 posted on 11/23/2003 10:14:59 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Dante3; Betty Jo
What could they possible have in common other than an unhealthy interest in little boys?

I suspect a shared interest in (child) prostitution and pornography.

27 posted on 11/23/2003 10:15:31 AM PST by aristeides
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To: longtermmemmory
The last accusation against Jackson didn't destroy him now did it?
28 posted on 11/23/2003 10:15:49 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Sabertooth
I thought that the purpose of FR was to promote the names and photos of rape victims. After all, since the name and photo is already out there, who are we to have compassion and decency?
29 posted on 11/23/2003 10:16:24 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I have a plan. I need a dead monkey, empty liquor bottles and a vacuum cleaner.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
I know a guy who has the exact same face. Not one of my more attractive friends, as you might assume.
30 posted on 11/23/2003 10:18:43 AM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Sabertooth
LOL Eating KFC? Can't be true, he's a veg.
31 posted on 11/23/2003 10:19:06 AM PST by Libertina ("We're not establishing intimacy with these people, we want to crush them." Rush on rats.)
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To: Sabertooth
Ditto,,people who promote the naming of children who have been abused creep me out. Makes me wonder about them.
32 posted on 11/23/2003 10:19:47 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I thought that the purpose of FR was to promote the names and photos of rape victims. After all, since the name and photo is already out there, who are we to have compassion and decency?

Another troublemaker, eh? Ya rebel.

Just for the record, I didn't have the impression that the original poster of this article meant any harm. It's got important info, and I don't think they considered the problem with the kid's name being used.


33 posted on 11/23/2003 10:19:53 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
"Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage."

A pretty clear indication that the DA expects at least some of these people to roll over on Jackson and testify against him. I think we are in for a re-run of the OJ trial.

Everyone who thinks MJ is wierdo pervert who molests little boys will still think so after the trial- and the ones who think he is being railroaded will never change their minds, no matter the evidence.

Entertainment for the masses.

34 posted on 11/23/2003 10:20:47 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: thoughtomator
She does look like a man. It seems the more I read about these people in hollywood, it appears most of them have orgies, are bi-sexual and/or are pedophiles.
35 posted on 11/23/2003 10:22:14 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Libertina




LOL Eating KFC? Can't be true, he's a veg.

He's a a chickenhawk, and he's under stress.


36 posted on 11/23/2003 10:23:24 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Great tagline!
37 posted on 11/23/2003 10:25:28 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: longtermmemmory
If you can't publish the name of the accussing victim then the name of the accused can be published either. I think it is only fair way around facing your accuser clause. Forget jackson, the false accusation is enough to destroy a life.

In this case the victim is only a kid. In the Koby Briant case, the accuser should be front and center. She's an adult. No need to cover her butt, that's for sure.

38 posted on 11/23/2003 10:28:53 AM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Remember Roamn Polanski? Molests a young girl, flees the country, then gets awards and ovations from Hollywood.

They keep telling us liberals are "for the children". Well I think they are a bunch of hypocrites.
39 posted on 11/23/2003 10:29:01 AM PST by I still care
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To: Sabertooth
This is one case where, if insanity is used as a defense, I will have no problem believing that to be true. Most times insanity defenses are a dodge, but with Wacko, his nickname speaks volumes.
40 posted on 11/23/2003 10:30:37 AM PST by Newtoidaho
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Why is all this in the press? The prosecutors should not be doing this. They just shouldn't. When minors are involved, and a trial is as high-profile as this one is, they should be doing everything they can possibly do to protect the witnesses AND keep vital information from susceptibility to dismissal.

Some judge has got to get a lockdown on this NOW.

It's prurient and it's going to give Michael Jackson a bigger chance of going free if guilty.

And if he's not guilty, it's so much the worse!
41 posted on 11/23/2003 10:31:09 AM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: aristeides
Can the Feds be far behind?

Internationl trafficing of sex victims?

Is it a RICCO?

(do I have that right)?

There is so much middle eastern overlay.

A Jackson supporter and his father were on Rita Cosbys special last night.The father is named Said Elatab,from Lebanon.The same name shows up on the web,with his pix of the blind cleric as a photographer,having done work for UNICEF and such.

Tne son is an impersonator of Jacko, and hosts a website fan club and so on.

Do the Elatabs from Lebanon have any connections to the Saudi side of Malnik-Michael?

What about the Pakistan-Norwegian?
42 posted on 11/23/2003 10:31:32 AM PST by Betty Jo
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To: cajungirl
How did FOX News know?

I guess the very same way everyone knows all the "facts" surrounding this case thus far.

I believe in all sorts of evils in this world.

I believe that Jackson could be guilty of child molestation, and I believe that this family could be guilty of attempted blackmail.

I also believe that in light of the accusations already on record about Jackson, any parent allowing unsupervised activities between their minor children and Michael Jackson is guilty of criminal negligence.

Mostly, I believe in the right of all to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
43 posted on 11/23/2003 10:33:54 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: cajungirl
"I really don't care if his mother is evil, if she sent the kid in to trap Michael."

Really?

You don't care if a mother willingly exposed her child to an alleged sex abuser?

For what reason would she have done that?

44 posted on 11/23/2003 10:37:39 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Rebelbase
Thanks!
45 posted on 11/23/2003 10:38:54 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Betty Jo
Can the Feds be far behind?

Internationl trafficing of sex victims?

My guess is "Bingo."

46 posted on 11/23/2003 10:38:59 AM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: Sabertooth
"For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do."

This is the classic pedophile, hitting on kids from "fractured" or socio-economically depraved families. That was my experience when I was a detective.
Great post, and thanks for your caring about the juveniles anonymity.
47 posted on 11/23/2003 10:44:18 AM PST by Terridan (God help us send these Islamic Extremist savages back into Hell where they belong...)
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To: Sabertooth; Admin Moderator
When I posted the Drudge tease for this last night it was banned to "Chat"

Is this "Chat"?
48 posted on 11/23/2003 10:45:07 AM PST by woofie
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To: metalboy; Sabertooth; Lijahsbubbe
What I want to know is what the hell is Jackson doing making a video with R. Kelly, that other pedo, called "One more chance"? Are they kidding me?

There's an old saying that seems on point: "Birds of a feather flock together." And R.Kelly definately seems to be a bird of the same feather, as this article detailing the charges against R.Kelly shows.

49 posted on 11/23/2003 10:45:11 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Luis Gonzalez
great tagline luis.
50 posted on 11/23/2003 10:45:55 AM PST by cmsgop ( my cap's key got into a fight with a beer and lost)
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