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Bishop Objected to AIDS Walk
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 12/06/03 | Amy Rinard and Tom Held

Posted on 12/06/2003 7:08:18 AM PST by ninenot

Burke told ministry it couldn't participate

By AMY RINARD and TOM HELD
arinard@journalsentinel.com
Last Updated: Dec. 5, 2003

Madison - The bishop who pressured several Catholic lawmakers to adopt church views on abortion has ordered a church-based AIDS ministry to stop raising money in an annual AIDS walk, saying some participating groups promote homosexuality.

La Crosse Bishop Raymond L. Burke, named this week by Pope John Paul II as archbishop of St. Louis, ordered the diocese-supported Central Wisconsin HIV/AIDS Ministry Project in Stevens Point to stop organizing a delegation to march in the annual AIDS fund-raising event.

In a letter obtained by the Journal Sentinel, Burke told ministry coordinator Marge Schumann that her organization should no longer participate in the walk because two other groups that benefit from it - the Milwaukee LGBT Community Center and the YWCA Rainbow Alliance for Youth in La Crosse - promote homosexual activity.

"What is of graver scandal, they both promote homosexuality among young people," Burke wrote.

"By participating in AIDS Walk Wisconsin, the Central Wisconsin HIV/AIDS Ministry would be cooperating materially with groups that act against the moral law."

Diocese officials made it clear that if the ministry did not stop participating in the Milwaukee AIDS Walk, the group would not be allowed to apply for future funding from the diocese's Catholic Campaign for Human Development charity.

The Ministry Project had organized a group to participate in the AIDS Walk and had raised about $5,000 a year in pledges through the fund-raiser, which is the largest such event in Wisconsin, Schumann said. After Burke's letter of May 2002, the group did not participate in the walk last year or this year.

Schumann said Friday that she regretted losing the money, which helped pay for the care and support of people with HIV and AIDS, especially those who are Catholic.

"But I needed to look at the bigger picture and the importance of the work we're doing. And if I was going to make a stink about this, I could have prevented myself from doing the work I'm doing," she said.

"So we agreed to disagree, and we moved on."

She stressed that overall Burke has been supportive of the ministry.

Asked Friday about his order to the Ministry Project, Burke said the diocese continues to provide about $17,000 annually to the group and also asks every parish in the diocese to contribute $250 each to the ministry.

"We've been very supportive; they do excellent work," Burke said after a news conference in La Crosse.

But he said he could not allow the ministry to participate in an activity that he viewed as promoting a homosexual lifestyle because the church teaches that homosexual acts are contrary to moral law.

Letters defended

During the news conference, Burke said he wrote the abortion-related letters to two state legislators and a member of Congress not to lobby or influence their votes but as the man in charge of their pastoral care.

"I have no regret whatsoever. It was my duty as bishop to write those letters," he said. "The letters address the good of the soul of the legislators and the souls of those who may be scandalized by their votes against the teachings of the church."

Burke said that he was calling on them to be honest to their faith and was not suggesting that they leave the Catholic Church, although he said earlier this week that he intended to ask them not to present themselves for the sacraments if they did not comply. He said he regretted that the letters had been made public.

Arthur Hippler, director of justice and peace for the La Crosse diocese who also sent a letter to Schumann on the AIDS Walk issue, said Friday that the ministry may have lost some of its funding in the short term because of Burke's order.

But it was better off in the long term, he said, because it would no longer participate in events that are contrary to church teachings - just as the church would not associate with racist organizations or with groups that promote prostitution.

Patrick Flaherty, director of community relations for the Milwaukee LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) Community Center, said the organization does not promote homosexuality among young people, but it does operate a program for gay youths that has 750 members and focuses on AIDS prevention.

"We think keeping young gay people HIV-free is a laudable goal," he said. "It's unfortunate that the bishop does not feel the same."

Burke had made a great leap of logic in thinking that by participating in the Milwaukee walk, the Stevens Point ministry was affiliating itself with groups that promote a homosexual lifestyle, said Doug Nelson, president and CEO of the AIDS Resource Center of Wisconsin, which organizes the AIDS Walk.

All types of people participate in the event, including church groups and employees of major corporations, he said, noting that the walk raised $502,000 this year.

"I've never heard anything like this before, this argument that by being in the walk with thousands and thousands of people the Ministry Project would be somehow materially cooperating with the LGBT Center and the YWCA," said Nelson.

"It's just astonishing that they would be ordered not to participate. We miss them. This is an organization that does wonderful, wonderful work in support of people with AIDS and HIV."

Nelson said he felt strongly enough about the issue that he wrote to Burke asking him to reconsider his order. Burke's response was blunt.

"The AIDS Walk raises money for organizations that actively and publicly promote homosexual activity, thus cooperating in the activities of these organizations and giving them a kind of legitimacy in the public forum," Burke wrote to Nelson. "This is completely unacceptable."

Father Michael Hammer, director of Catholic AIDS Ministry for the Milwaukee Archdiocese, said he does not see his participation in the AIDS Walk as promoting a homosexual lifestyle but as a way to help pay for compassionate care and support of people with AIDS and HIV.

Every year, Hammer helps organize a team to line up pledges and walk. "We send them out from the Cathedral (of St. John the Evangelist) with a blessing," he said.

Hammer said he did not agree with Burke's reasoning.

"I don't understand why homosexuality is an issue in relation to the AIDS Walk - it's for people who are infected and affected by AIDS - but somehow the bishop of La Crosse, who is more conservative in nature, has taken that stand," said Hammer.

"There are 680,000 Catholics in the Milwaukee Archdiocese and, you know, we all don't think alike. And not all bishops think alike, either."


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More and more Catholic!
1 posted on 12/06/2003 7:08:18 AM PST by ninenot
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To: father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; goldenstategirl; ...
Ping!!
2 posted on 12/06/2003 7:09:25 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot
Way to GO!!!
3 posted on 12/06/2003 7:10:55 AM PST by Ann Archy
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To: ninenot
"The AIDS Walk raises money for organizations that actively and publicly promote homosexual activity, thus cooperating in the activities of these organizations and giving them a kind of legitimacy in the public forum," Burke wrote to Nelson. "This is completely unacceptable."

Amen!! An American bishop who is correct, courageous and steadfast! Praise God. Send more!

4 posted on 12/06/2003 7:14:32 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; apologia_pro_vita_sua; Askel5; ...
PING.

A Catholic bishop actually performing his duty should not be so rare as to be newsworthy, but still, it is welcome news.
5 posted on 12/06/2003 7:26:58 AM PST by Loyalist (Orchard lawsuit to stop PC-CA merger tossed; joins Joe & other brother Joe in political irrelevance!)
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To: ninenot
Fr. John Hardon was right about this bishop. I'm so glad to see he's on track to become a cardinal.
6 posted on 12/06/2003 7:30:46 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: ninenot
Praise the Lord.
7 posted on 12/06/2003 7:40:21 AM PST by John Doe
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To: ninenot
Patrick Flaherty, director of community relations for the Milwaukee LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) Community Center, said the organization does not promote homosexuality among young people, . . .

I'd sure like to know what Patrick Flaherty's definition of "promotion" is. Project Q is for all intents and purposes the "Gay Only Scouts". Circle of Friends hardly limits itself to the promotion of HIV/AIDS awareness.

The LGBT played an active, agressive role in persuading the United Way of Milwaukee to drop their funding of the local Boy Scout troops, twisting the truth to make the Scouts appear to be bigoted homophobes when in reality the subject of sexual preferences was never even considered a issue. Now that they're losing funding themselves, we're treated to their howls of indignation.

The chickens have come home to roost . . .

8 posted on 12/06/2003 8:01:06 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: ninenot
Hammer said he did not agree with Burke's reasoning. "I don't understand why homosexuality is an issue in relation to the AIDS Walk - it's for people who are infected and affected by AIDS

BS&W! Ever since Ryan White the gay lobby has been using such movements as a vehicle to promote the legitimacy of homosexuality. At the same time they defame Reagan's slowness to move against AIDS as hostility to gays. Either AIDS is primarily a homosexual/bisexual disease or it is not. But gay activist talk out of both sides of their mouths and seldom are they contradicted.

9 posted on 12/06/2003 8:06:00 AM PST by RobbyS (XP)
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To: ninenot
Perhaps Fr.Hammer should change the name 'Aids Walk" Sorry, but the connotation implies to me a life-style walk that eventually leads to the physical devastation for which money is now being innocently collected to defray medical costs.
10 posted on 12/06/2003 8:09:08 AM PST by ejo
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To: ninenot
Why doesn't this Catholic group, instead, form its own march and its own charity to care for those afflicted with HIV. A canny bishop would do well to get those on his left busy in efficiently caring caring for those suffering the wages of sin.
11 posted on 12/06/2003 8:19:04 AM PST by a history buff
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To: BraveMan; ninenot
This Flaherty probably had actually Catholic ancestors with a name like that. Who funds his group and why are there so many jobs with paychecks to promote the lavender rebellion against human nature?

Now, Archbishop-designate Burke might eventually get Los Angeles and restore the faith there. It is vitally important now to see to it that his successor in La Crosse is as Catholic as is Raymond Burke.

12 posted on 12/06/2003 8:50:21 AM PST by BlackElk (Dickie Durbin is a "Catholic" anti-Catholic bigot. Time for an old-fashioned, ummm, inquiry!)
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To: ninenot
Dear ninenot,

From what I'm reading about him, I like Bishop Burke. By the grace of God, perhaps he may be the next Cardinal Archbishop of New York, or perhaps Baltimore.


sitetest
13 posted on 12/06/2003 8:54:25 AM PST by sitetest
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To: BlackElk
Dear BlackElk,

LA would work, too. ;-)


sitetest
14 posted on 12/06/2003 8:55:32 AM PST by sitetest
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To: a history buff
"Why doesn't this Catholic group, instead"

For that matter, why don't they put some effort into helping veterans who got Hep C from military medical practices or other guiltless mishaps?

Why all this emphasis on people who could have avoided getting a fatal disease just by refraining from sodomy?
15 posted on 12/06/2003 9:08:32 AM PST by dsc
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To: Stingray51
bump
16 posted on 12/06/2003 9:09:14 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: ninenot
He sounds like one of the good guys. - Deo gratias; alleluia, alleluia.
I hope his brother bishops either follow or at least, more realistically, stay out of the way.
17 posted on 12/06/2003 9:22:28 AM PST by rogator
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To: BlessedBeGod
Fr. John Hardon was right about this bishop.

I must have missed this. What did Fr. Hardon say?

18 posted on 12/06/2003 9:34:51 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Loyalist
A Catholic bishop actually performing his duty should not be so rare as to be newsworthy, but still, it is welcome news.

Well one bishop down, only 250 more to go.

19 posted on 12/06/2003 9:35:49 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
"The AIDS Walk raises money for organizations that actively and publicly promote homosexual activity, thus cooperating in the activities of these organizations and giving them a kind of legitimacy in the public forum,"

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS
TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION
TO UNIONS
BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

20 posted on 12/06/2003 9:39:16 AM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Loyalist
If it is true that an Episcopal diocese (probably Fort Worth) has asked Rome for Uniate status, and if it is granted (a huge and very improbable if), you would have the peculiar situation where an orthodox Anglican use Roman Catholic bishop shared a territory (Dallas) with a revisionist "real Catholic" bishop.

Will wonders never cease?

21 posted on 12/06/2003 9:40:04 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: ninenot
Father Michael Hammer, director of Catholic AIDS Ministry for the Milwaukee Archdiocese, said he does not see his participation in the AIDS Walk as promoting a homosexual lifestyle but as a way to help pay for compassionate care and support of people with AIDS and HIV.

Apparently, Archbishop Dolan is not as dogmatic on participation in an AIDS walk as Burke is.

Dolan and Hammer's approach seems the better one, IMO.

22 posted on 12/06/2003 9:47:44 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Jim Noble
If it is true that an Episcopal diocese (probably Fort Worth) has asked Rome for Uniate status, and if it is granted (a huge and very improbable if), you would have the peculiar situation where an orthodox Anglican use Roman Catholic bishop shared a territory (Dallas) with a revisionist "real Catholic" bishop.

Where did you get the idea that Bishop Iker asked for Uniate status? He's been telling everyone who'll listen that he wants to be part of a conservative Anglican movement.

23 posted on 12/06/2003 9:53:22 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: pgkdan
Protestant kudos to this Christian leader.
24 posted on 12/06/2003 9:55:22 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: ninenot
cooperating materially with groups that act against the moral law

clarity bump!
25 posted on 12/06/2003 10:12:12 AM PST by polemikos (Pray Now, Pray Often)
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To: sinkspur
Where did you get the idea that Bishop Iker asked for Uniate status?

Somebody did. I was guessing, based on the already-existing Anglican use activity in Texas.

26 posted on 12/06/2003 10:22:20 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
Well, Iker could have asked, but it would be in spite of all that he's saying publicly.
27 posted on 12/06/2003 10:24:33 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: ninenot; scripter; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
"What is of graver scandal, they both promote homosexuality among young people," Burke wrote.

"By participating in AIDS Walk Wisconsin, the Central Wisconsin HIV/AIDS Ministry would be cooperating materially with groups that act against the moral law."

A catholic bishop in veritable support of church doctrine! We need more like him! Bravo Bishop Burke.

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


28 posted on 12/06/2003 10:30:53 AM PST by NYer (Keep CHRIST in Christmas!)
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To: ninenot
These people need to understand that there IS a cure for AIDS. They don't need their walks and their banners and their pamphlets.

If everyone would adhere to Catholic doctrine, and practice heterosexual monogamy, AIDS would disappear.
29 posted on 12/06/2003 10:42:15 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: sinkspur
Given the flaming proclivity of Dolan's predecessor, and the usual lag time between the arrival of a Catholic Bishop and the re-institution of Catholic principles in a Diocese, Dolan has about another 2-5 years to blow off the Archdiocesan support for this bunch of sex-hustlers.

But he will.

Hammer's merely a zit with confusion. The model was given by Christ, (known for compassion, no?) when he said to the woman "Your sins are forgiven. Go, and SIN NO MORE.

30 posted on 12/06/2003 11:13:45 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot
Dolan has about another 2-5 years to blow off the Archdiocesan support for this bunch of sex-hustlers.

If he felt strongly about the issue, he would do it now. What does it take? A phone call? A letter?

Burke's a hammer; Dolan isn't, as could be seen from his reaction to the optional celibacy discussions.

31 posted on 12/06/2003 11:19:18 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: ninenot
"The AIDS Walk raises money for organizations that actively and publicly promote homosexual activity, thus cooperating in the activities of these organizations and giving them a kind of legitimacy in the public forum," Burke wrote to Nelson. "This is completely unacceptable."

A righteous man is found in Sodom.

Almost all AIDS is spread by irresponsible and perverted sexual practices or intravenous drug abuse. To raise money for organizations that promote and defend irresponsible and perverted sexual practices undermines the purpose for which the money is ostensibly raised.

32 posted on 12/06/2003 11:23:28 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Almost all AIDS is spread by irresponsible and perverted sexual practices or intravenous drug abuse. To raise money for organizations that promote and defend irresponsible and perverted sexual practices undermines the purpose for which the money is ostensibly raised. 32<True, but a truth dorwned out by thw willfully ignorant.
33 posted on 12/06/2003 12:31:50 PM PST by RobbyS (XP)
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To: sinkspur; BlackElk
Dolan is not going to 'hammer' anything for a while, except the criminal perverts.

He has about 60 priests who are serious problems, including Fr. Hammer, and an extraordinarily mal-catechized Archdiocese; remember, we had 27 years of Bertie and for that matter, Bertie's predecessor was a Chicago politician, not an Archbishop. The seminary has been rotten since 1965.

Given this, it APPEARS that Dolan's strategy is to become an 'unstoppable force' with the laity and as many of his priests as possible. This is why the 'cheesehead' and the humor, and the non-response to the "celibacy revolt."

BTW, Dolan's "refer-this-to-the-committee" response was death by other means, in case you haven't figured that out. But Dolan was not yet prepared to say 'drop dead' to the rebels.

It IS significant that Dolan NEVER makes an inaccurate statement re faith/morals and promotes orthodoxy and orthopraxis heavily.

This is not unlike JPII's overall approach: he is not going to directly confront an enemy against overwhelming odds; rather, he will say and do what is correct, go "over the heads" of the obstacles directly to the laity, and make his moves when the time is opportune.

It would be MUCH more satisfying to me and a large number of others in the Diocese were Dolan to become proficient with the new .50cal S&W--but that's not the approach he will take.
34 posted on 12/06/2003 1:13:46 PM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: sinkspur; BraveMan; BlackElk
Also note that Burke's AIDS letter went out two years ago; his "Politicians, Beware" letter went out about 6 months ago (?)--recently, in any case.

Burke has been Bp. of LaX for several years, and is native to the territory. He was positioned correctly, was well-liked, and has the Diocese reasonably well-in-hand.
35 posted on 12/06/2003 1:17:01 PM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot
thus cooperating in the activities of these organizations and giving them a kind of legitimacy in the public forum," Burke wrote to Nelson.

Which is the same message the Roman chruch has essentiall y delivered to the Episcopals. Ecumenicalism is doa for now.

36 posted on 12/06/2003 1:17:39 PM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Maximilian
From what I've read, Fr. Hardon passed on some of his work to Bishop Burke to continue. He would never have done that if he didn't have the highest regards for Bp. Burke.

At one time, Fr. Hardon had said that there were only 6 or 7 bishops in the US who were completely loyal to the Church. I have to believe Bp. Burke is one of them.
37 posted on 12/06/2003 2:26:12 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: ninenot
Woo Hoo! He must be giving folks in that Diocese fits!! You GO, Archbishop Burke!
38 posted on 12/06/2003 5:48:10 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: BlessedBeGod
At one time, Fr. Hardon had said that there were only 6 or 7 bishops in the US who were completely loyal to the Church.

and folks think Our Lady's Fatima request was carried out?

When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" .

39 posted on 12/06/2003 8:11:52 PM PST by attagirl
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the ping!
40 posted on 12/06/2003 8:13:26 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ninenot
I like this Bishop even more now, the Pope has picked a good man, may God give him continued strength to stand up to the leftist assault on the Church and her teachings.
41 posted on 12/06/2003 8:18:10 PM PST by battousai (Coming Soon to an election near you: Pasty White Hillary and the Nine Dwarfs!)
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To: ninenot
good.
42 posted on 12/06/2003 8:19:29 PM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: ninenot
I liked him as our Bishop. Hope we get a person as good to replace him.
Gave a great homily at Conformation mass for two of my daughters.
43 posted on 12/06/2003 9:02:42 PM PST by quietolong
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To: ninenot
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44 posted on 12/07/2003 6:05:45 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ninenot
Father Michael Hammer, director of Catholic AIDS Ministry for the Milwaukee Archdiocese says, "I don't understand why homosexuality is an issue...."

This is a priest defying Biblical teaching.

The brass balls challenged members of the American Conference of Bishops needs to understand they are passengers on a sinking degenerate laden ship. It the likes of "Father" Hammer who are intentionally scuttling His ship. This heretic should be defrocked - and would have been - fifty years ago. Today, he walks the path of decay strewn by Vatican 2.

May His judgment be swift and merciful.

45 posted on 12/07/2003 6:57:56 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Actually, the bozo priest, Fr. Hammer, is more likely to suffer the punishment meted out (per this AM's newspaper) to a molester-priest in Kentucky--or the more famous fate of the molester-priest who was imprisoned in Massachusetts, but only for a few weeks until he met his Maker.

Lovers' quarrels midst these folks seem to have, ah, long-term consequences, beginning with the assumption of room temperature.
46 posted on 12/08/2003 6:47:44 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: ninenot
As for me, respect for an institution or a system relies upon prompt and unequivocal consequences.

'Long term' justice is justice minus an execution.

If I knew as a kid that the consequences of disobedience would be put on hold, the door to hell would be more easily open for me the second, third, and forth time around - until my behavior was viewed as normal and commonplace - blowing consequences out the window.

47 posted on 12/09/2003 2:36:47 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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