Posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose
Tell me, we've been going about this 'incrementalism' for nigh on 20 years. Some could say it's been much, much longer (about 143 years) but we won't discuss that. Let's stick to 20 years. And in this 20 years of 'incrementalism' just how much ground has the right lost and the left won?
Sorry but 'incrementalism' does not work and will never work. If the Republican party wants to keep the conservatives in its ranks, it's going to take much more than empty promises that are never fulfilled in the hopes that 4 or 6 years later we've somehow forgotten about them
That Tenth Amendment?
U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Oh look!
The Constitution delegated the power to collect Taxes to provide for the General Welfare of the United States to Congress!!!!
Unfortunately, many here, now, either post just so that they can at last see their own paltry ideas in print, yearn for attention... ANY kind of attention, and/or don't have anyone else, in their lives, whom they can talk to. Their utter and abject lack of knowledge and understading of politics, governance, history, and much else, makes any kind of a debate/discussion just about impossible.
An early MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY & HEALTHY NEW YEAR, to you and yours, Luis. :-)
During that period of time, and in spite of Bill Clinton's best efforts, we destroyed communism, enjoyed unbelievable economical growth, and in spite of Bill Clinton's best efforts, became the lone superpower in the world.
In other words, the past twenty years have seen this nation reach heights never before reached in our history.
What exactly is your beef?
If some so-called Conservatives refuse to understand that,not to mention just HOW this game is played,and stay home/go the thrid party route ( which is tantimount to the same thing ), then they are just aiders and abettors of those who are Conservative's ENEMIES...helping to insure that they and the rest of us ( who know what';s what ) NEVER get anything that they claim that they want.
Imagining what things were before, without taking into consideration historical FACT, is what gets you into the hole you're in.
James Madison and the rest of the Founding Fathers, even Hamilton and his ilk, could never have imagined that this nation of states would become what it has either. Frankly from their writings I think the level and size of the national government would have disgusted them
I give credit to President Reagan on his excellent foreign policy and what it did to bring the USSR to its knees. However I'm not sure why one, especially a conservative, would give credit to a government for the economy.
They couldn't have imagined the Internet, cellular phones, the internal combustion engine, cancer, women voting, women being elected to Congress, DNA, stealth bombers, CAT scans...
Complex societies cannot be governed by simple means.
And what do we have to show for it? Rollback of government spending? Nope, most spending since LBJ (BTW he was a Democrat). More freedom of the press? Well if you consider CFR some sort of freedom, but you wouldn't be a conservative then would you? A stricter reading of the 2nd Amendment? Well strict in the sense if Bush signs the AWB only the 'militia' in the form of the National Guard will be the ones holding the weapons one day. And that's 'incrementalism' is it? Sounds like an 'incremental' move to the left if you ask me.
If some so-called Conservatives refuse to understand that,not to mention just HOW this game is played,and stay home/go the thrid party route ( which is tantimount to the same thing ), then they are just aiders and abettors of those who are Conservative's ENEMIES...helping to insure that they and the rest of us ( who know what';s what ) NEVER get anything that they claim that they want.
And if the Republican party were to make its intent known, perhaps conservatives (Old Right) would be able to finally understand there is no hope in the Republican party, except in a few instances, and establish a conservative party based on the principles, fiscal and social, that this nation of states was founded upon
Intelligent voters don't vote based on the alphabet but rather what the candidate believes. However you are asking us to vote by the letter beside the person's name.
Go live under communism and come back to tell me how government does not impact the economy of a nation.
That's such a pantload.
What "old right"?
It must be a prehistoric right, because there's no indication that this "old right" ever existed.
Some plan!
Trying to affect political change by purposely seeking to achieve irrelevance.
You may imagine that you know/understand about politics and government; however, you don't, on either acacount. And calling those of us, whom you don't agree with, " you guys on the right " ( WHAT THE BLEEDING HELL ARE YOU...ON THE LEFT ? ),makes NO sense in this context.
There are three kinds of people ( there used to be only two, but not anymore )... those who see the glass as 1/2 full, those who see the glass as 1/2 empty, and those, like you, who see NO GLASS at all.
The slim majority, the GOP has in the Senate, is just about nonexistant and your claim, re that " majority", only PROVES, dead to rights, that you haven't a clue. Please, please, PLEASE buy one !
Ronald Reagan, himself, doesn't pass YOUR smell test. Perhaps you might care to readjust your positions/ideas some.
What you're proposing, re you oh soooooooooooooooooooooooo far right, you're about left, PURITS/MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THOUers forming a new party, is a death wish, a DEATH WISH of such huge proportions, as to be laughable, if it weren't so destructive. You're truly delusional, childish in your absurd disconect from reality, that it boggles the mind. Get those crazy, mythic, fictionalized, fantasy day dreams, about what life was once here, would be again if only every politician did as you and your ilk said they should do out of your mind. Life was NEVER what you assume it was like.
When President Bush is re-elected and should he be given a much larger majority, in BOTH Houses, he WILL be able to get more ( and he's already done quite a lot to forward the Conservative cause,in an untenable situation , which you ignore and ignore and IGNORE, because it doesn't quite suit your agenda ) done, to all of liking.
Then, there is the elephant sitting in the middle of the room, which you refuse to acknowledge...this nation is NOT as Conservative as you are, many don't agree with any of our positins,NO president can ram down the populace's throats, as a dictator can, whatever it is he wants, and President Bush is the PRESIDENT of ALL Americans, not just the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar off the edge ones.
Incrementaism works. Incrementalism is the way WE must go, if we hope to EVER get anything at all, that we wish done, done. Yes, it takes years; even decades. You want a benevolent dictator, not a president. You demand INSTANT GRATIFICATION, like a spoiled child or petulant teen. You want what you want, when you want it, or you're gonna stamp your feet, throw a temper tantrum, and take away your vote.
GROW UP, ACCEPT THE POSSIBLE, FORGET ABOUT INSTANT GRATIFICATION, AND WORK TO FORWARD OUR COMMON GOALS !
If you refuse to, then you shall NEVER get even a wee bit of what you claim you want.
YUCK!
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