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Egypt Airliner CRASHED in Egypt - A final update on root cause analysis? Technical Fault Blamed
Various | 1/3/2004 | ME

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Gorons

Egypt Plane Crash Kills 148; Technical Fault Blamed

By Ruben Sprich Reuters Saturday, January 3, 2004; 7:15 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian Boeing 737 airliner carrying 135 mostly French tourists crashed into the Red Sea off the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday and a rescue team member said there were no survivors.

"The initial indications are that it was a technical fault, but that is only preliminary," Civil Aviation Ministry Secretary-General Hassan Abo Ghanima told Reuters. He had said earlier: "There is no sign of terrorism."

The plane, operated by the Egyptian company Flash Airlines, disappeared from radar screens minutes after take-off from Sharm el-Sheikh airport at 0244 GMT and crashed into deep water a few miles to the southeast, official sources said.

The pilots did not report any problem and the weather was normal with good visibility, official sources said. The plane was heading for Cairo to refuel, change crew and take on more passengers before flying on to Paris.

A French diplomat based in Egypt said there were 135 passengers aboard, all but one French, and 13 Egyptian and Moroccan crew members.

The crash coincided with intense U.S. concern about possible attacks involving civilian airliners, which has led to the cancellation of seven U.S.-bound flights in just over a week.

Egyptian military aircraft and ships, helped by small boats from nearby diving centers, launched a rescue operation at first light. Eyewitnesses said they were finding pieces of human bodies but no complete corpses and no survivors.

"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats.

"There's lots of personal stuff, small bags and toys. We have collected very small pieces of the plane but the body of the plane has sunk," said another rescue worker, who asked not to be named.

Yasser Imam, a spokesman for the local authorities, said: "What they have picked up so far is just fragments of bodies. The chances of finding complete bodies look slim because of the force with which the plane hit the surface of the water."

DEEP WATER

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is hundreds of meters (feet) deep -- too deep for divers to reach the flight recording devices, diving school managers said.

French President Jacques Chirac telephoned his Egyptian counterpart Hosni Mubarak to obtain details of the crash and expressed his "deepest shock" at the tragedy, his office said.

Eyewitnesses in Sharm el-Sheikh said the rescue operation was concentrating on an area about half a mile off Naama Bay, the site of many large hotels.

An Egyptian armed forces C-130 transport plane and two helicopters were taking part in the search, witnesses said.

Flash Airlines is an Egyptian charter airline company based in Cairo and flying to European cities. It flew two Boeing 737-300 planes manufactured in 1993, according to its Web site.

The plane was maintained regularly in Norway and there was no sign of any mechanical fault before its last flight, the official Egyptian news agency MENA reported.

French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien went to Charles de Gaulle airport, where distraught friends and relatives of passengers on the flight were being told of the crash.

An eyewitness speaking on Egyptian television said people heard a loud noise at the time of the crash but he interpreted this as the sound of the plane hitting the water. "In the morning we were surprised by a kind of slapping noise in the sea, a very loud noise," said the unidentified witness.

Sharm el-Sheikh, a major diving resort, is considered one of the most secure places in Egypt because of its isolation and Mubarak's frequent presence. Police man checkpoints on the only paved roads into the resort and check travelers' identities.

The last major crash by an Egyptian plane took place in May 2002, when a Boeing 767 of the state airline EgyptAir crashed near Tunis airport, killing 15 people.

In October 1999, an EgyptAir Boeing 767 dived into the sea off Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board.

On Christmas Day, a Beirut-bound Boeing 727 smashed into the Atlantic after take-off from Benin, killing 138 people.

© 2004 Reuters


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 737; airflash; airliner; airsec; crash; egypt; egyptair; flash604; flashair; flight8604; france; fsh604; orangealert4; planecrash; redsea; sharmelsheik; sharmelsheikh; terrorism
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To: M. Peach
I don't think the French will blame us - that would be too ridiculous even for them. But they will be very quiet about the real causes of this.

Remember, just yesterday, at "evening prayers," the Iranians were screaming "Death to the French" because of the headscarf ban. (The only religion I know in which "prayers" consist of screaming "Death to [fill in the blank].")

In any case, the French tried to suck up to the Islamics, but have found that it's not possible, and they are now on the Muslim hit-list just like the rest of the West.
21 posted on 01/03/2004 5:14:29 AM PST by livius
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To: thesummerwind
I saw this kind of thing before after Ft. 587, at OKC, and after other "accidents". This smells.

ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories offered up on the slimmest of 'evidence' and un-linked factors ...

22 posted on 01/03/2004 5:16:37 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Gorons
If you read this thread that I started on this topic originally, in fact specifically this subject, you'll understand why I am suspicious:

I live in Hopewell. I drive past the flowers on nearly a daily basis. What has one got to do with the other?

23 posted on 01/03/2004 5:16:40 AM PST by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Glenn
In the other thread people automatically jumped to conclusions it was terrorist related.

In reality it took years to unravel a flaw rudder design.
24 posted on 01/03/2004 5:18:25 AM PST by Gorons
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To: hershey
This article from Germany's "Die Welt" says the plane tried to turn around....


ecerpt....

Authorities indicate a technical breakdown as cause

Reason for the crash is presumably a technical breakdown. The airplane had a "problem" shortly after the start, said deputy French Minister of Transportion Dominique Bussereau in Paris. In the attempt to return to the airport at Scharm el Scheich the plane crashed into the Red Sea. The Egyptian authorities also spoke of a technical problem. French radio reported, referencing the Egyptian aviation agency, there hadn't been any explosion on board.

"Die Welt"....Ägyptische Boeing ins Rote Meer gestürzt - 148 Menschen tot

Translated by longjack

25 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:07 AM PST by longjack
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To: thesummerwind
I am nearly sure the coverup for this is ...

Oh brother - give us a break! Let's get some actual facts in hand before 'jumping to confusion'!

26 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:36 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: thesummerwind
You can take it to the bank that some in France will believe that. Remember that there was an author in France who had TWO bestsellers alledging that NO PLANE flew into the Pentagon on 9.11.2001.
27 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:40 AM PST by weegee
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To: longjack
This begs the question then;

If they were 7 miles beyond the airport, why no communication with the tower?
28 posted on 01/03/2004 5:21:17 AM PST by Gorons
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To: Gorons

"There is no sign of terrorism!"

(Oh, and BTW, the Muslim Brotherhood has attacked Western tourists on a number of occassions, and Egypt depends on foreign tourism for a large percentage of their foreign exchange)

29 posted on 01/03/2004 5:22:33 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: M. Peach
In light of our terror alert status, recently cancelled flights, flights searched after landing, folks hitching rides in wheelwells, and al Qaeda threatening terror via planes, it seems one must, at least, consider terrorism as a cause in this crash.
30 posted on 01/03/2004 5:22:37 AM PST by Quilla
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To: cardinal4
The French would be too embrrassed to admit it was terrorism, the Egyptians depend on tourism, its HALF their economy!!

Neither will allow this to be terrorism.

31 posted on 01/03/2004 5:23:23 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: weegee
Remember that there was an author in France who had TWO bestsellers alledging that NO PLANE flew into the Pentagon on 9.11.2001.

How did that nitwit explain the downed -hit by the airliner- light poles along the highway there -

- or the NUMEROUS eyewitnesses who saw this occur -

- or the several calls from Barbara Olsen to her husband Ted Olsen working in the Bush Justice Department?

32 posted on 01/03/2004 5:24:08 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: longjack
The German phrase Technische Panne is probably better translated to 'mechanical breakdown' here. "technical breakdown" is the literal translation, i didn't catch that right away when I edited the machine translation.

Sorry.

Also, ecerpt, of course, should be excerpt.

longjack

33 posted on 01/03/2004 5:25:51 AM PST by longjack
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To: Gorons
If they were 7 miles beyond the airport, why no communication with the tower?

Avigate - navigate - communicate ... in that order -

- they were probably (most often they are!) TOO busy fighting a problem to 'radio in' the specific problem ...

34 posted on 01/03/2004 5:26:04 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: thesummerwind
Of course it would be a "technical fault", and therefore not newsworthy. A reprise of Egyptian Flight 990, when the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001" would have found it "inconvenient" to indicate the trip to Glory Land was anything but drifting off course.
35 posted on 01/03/2004 5:27:36 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Quilla
In light of our terror alert status, recently cancelled flights, flights searched after landing, folks hitching rides in wheelwells, and al Qaeda threatening terror via planes, it seems one must, at least, consider terrorism as a cause in this crash.

It would be a far *wiser* move to get the relevant facts in hand *before* postulating a pet 'theory' too ...

36 posted on 01/03/2004 5:28:00 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
I said 'nearly'. I've seen this before. NOW, it is over a full hour that FoxNews hasn't even mentioned this crash. I've seen this before. You will see, and your little play on words (jumping to confusion) is less than brilliant and childish!
37 posted on 01/03/2004 5:28:14 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: _Jim
ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories offered up on the slimmest of 'evidence' and un-linked factors ...

Don't argue the point. That just makes you a part of the plot.

Don't you see? The officials said it's not a conspiracy, so it must be a conspiracy!

38 posted on 01/03/2004 5:28:15 AM PST by Toskrin (No world leader has been caught in a hole that size since Bill Clinton.)
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To: longjack
of course it tried to turn around, it was supposed to turn around to head to Cairo!
39 posted on 01/03/2004 5:29:01 AM PST by GeronL (The French just can't stop being French.)
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To: thesummerwind
Fox News is not owned by the Egyptian or French government. Here's a simple explanation - they don't think it's worth reporting until they get more facts.
40 posted on 01/03/2004 5:30:43 AM PST by Toskrin (No world leader has been caught in a hole that size since Bill Clinton.)
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