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The Bush Proposal (Interesting article by Linda Chavez on the Immigration Proposal)
Town Hall ^ | Jan 8, 2004 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:03:21 AM PST by PhiKapMom

The Bush proposal

Linda Chavez

January 8, 2004

President Bush announced a sweeping new immigration reform proposal this week that could become a hot-button issue in the November election. For months, insiders have hinted that the president would propose a new guest worker program aimed at allowing more foreign workers into the country on a temporary basis. Widely favored by the American business community, a guest worker program would allow employers to fill jobs in industries that routinely experience shortages of workers willing to do the often difficult, dangerous jobs Americans shun -- at least at wages that allow employers to remain in business.

But the guest worker provisions won't be the most controversial part of the administration's new proposal. Although some groups that want to limit immigration altogether -- such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) -- oppose guest worker plans, even such staunch restrictionists as Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) are on record supporting the idea of guest workers. The real battle will be over what to do with those millions of illegal aliens who are already here.

Some 8-12 million illegal aliens reside in the United States now -- up three- or four-fold from a decade ago. An estimated 60 percent of these are from Mexico alone, and it is no accident that the Bush plan was announced in anticipation of the president's meeting with his Mexican counterpart, President Vicente Fox, next week. The White House announced less than a week before the Fox meeting that millions of illegal aliens from Mexico and elsewhere will be allowed, over time, to earn legal status in the U.S., so long as they have been working continuously, paid taxes and not broken other laws. The plan will impose some penalties on these workers -- most likely fines similar to those proposed in legislation sponsored by Republican Representatives Jeff Flake and Jim Kolbe and Senator John McCain, all from Arizona.

These proposals may not offer perfect justice -- who can blame those who resent rewarding "line jumpers" with legal status while millions of other would-be immigrants wait patiently to enter the country legally. But "earned legalization" is probably the best solution to a largely intractable problem. There is no way that the United States can find and deport 8-12 million illegal aliens in this country, and even if we could, we would do more harm than good.

The American economy depends on these workers, who, along with legal immigrants, contributed significantly to the economic boon of the 1990s. If FAIR could wave a magic wand and make these illegal aliens disappear overnight, the rest of us would suffer by having to pay more for everything from the food we put on the table to the houses in which we live. Our office buildings wouldn't get cleaned, our crops wouldn't get picked, our meat wouldn't get processed, nor our tables cleaned when we go out to eat.

Sure, we could double wages to attract American-born workers to some of these jobs, but at even twice the salary it would be difficult to fill the nastiest of these tasks, like processing poultry. But why would we want American workers, who we've spent trillions of dollars educating for 13 or 14 years, on average, to perform jobs that require only the most minimal skills? Even if we got rid of all illegal aliens in the U.S., these jobs would likely go to foreign workers, like it or not.

What sense does it make to insist that we get rid of the very people doing these jobs now in order to make way for other foreign workers to take them under a new guest worker plan? It makes a lot more sense to figure out how to get those illegal aliens already employed at these jobs to come in from the shadows and become part of the legal system. They should pay a penalty for having broken the law in the first place by sneaking into the country or overstaying their visas, but it is better for all of us if they earn their way toward legal status than remain in the illegal netherworld where they now hide.

Linda Chavez is President of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Townhall.com member organization.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bushishillary; bushisliberal; buyingvotes; commonsense; culturewar; illegalaliens; illegalmexicans; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; lindachavez; mexico; nationalsuicide; rewardingcriminals; thirdworldcountry
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I know several people personally that decided yesterday, after the speech, not to vote for Bush in 2004.

Looks like you'd better swing 'em back this way if you really are for conservative justices.

241 posted on 01/08/2004 10:41:41 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: swarthyguy
Levity not brevity.
242 posted on 01/08/2004 10:41:57 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: WOSG
the only plus is how FAR OUT the Democrats look by demanding that his plan "doesnt go far enough"

Why? Their plans dont go much further. You cant go much further. What they want is to make Republicans look bad. They have taken the position that they will not stand for a second class status among "guest workers".

243 posted on 01/08/2004 10:42:13 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: sarasota
I saw a piece last evening re: the housing market. It was pointed out that the job paid $8/hr. and if wages had to be raised (to attract "legals"), the house would cost $10,000-$15,000 more.</>

I don't know if your figures are correct, but even if they are, that is money which would be circulated in and driving the American economy and not Mexico's. Econ 101 my friend. Consumption in our economy boosts our GDP. The shift of capital (money sent home to Mexico) does not!

244 posted on 01/08/2004 10:42:23 AM PST by navyblue
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To: PhiKapMom
If the final bill includes a few things, I'll go along with it. First, all unpaid back taxes should be collected from "our guests" and the cost of all recieved benefits should be repaid to the providing government.
Second, any now-legal guest worker must remain employed and should be inelligable for unemployment benefits...period. If they can't find work they can find the door!
Lastly, any criminal act must be met with immediate expulsion of the worker and his family, citizens by birth or not!
245 posted on 01/08/2004 10:43:33 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
There is no way that the United States can find and deport 8-12 million illegal aliens in this country, and even if we could, we would do more harm than good.

Rush just said we have laws against murder; do we just throw up are hands and not try to bring about justice? He said we could start deporting the illegals if we really wanted to.

Most murder cases are not solved but police officers with integrity try to solve as many as they can. Similarly,although it is impossible to find and deport every illegal alien, INS officials with integrity will make the same effort.

246 posted on 01/08/2004 10:44:18 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: futureceo31
So should we now subscribe to the dimcrats principles and make the federal government responsible for providing a fair wage system.

No. I prefer the market place. If the need for hotel workers is so great and the supply so scarce, then the hotels will have to raise wages or figure out how to use their people better. I don't want the federal government to get involved except to secure our borders so we don't have illegal immigrants skewing the marketplace.

247 posted on 01/08/2004 10:45:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: futureceo31
If I am not mistaken, there are strict penalties for employers who hire illegals in the proposed legislation.

It is already illegal to hire illegals. The problem is no enforcement. We're told the amnesty is unavoidable because we just don't have the resources to ferret out every employer who has hired illegals. At the same time we're told that this program is different -- that we will now go out there and do the enforcement we don't have the resources to do, which makes the amnesty necessary in the first place. Really inspires confidence, doesn't it?

248 posted on 01/08/2004 10:46:38 AM PST by kevao
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Simple Solution...Enforce the Law...and Deport Now.
249 posted on 01/08/2004 10:48:11 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: kevao
So we have to start out with employers being penalized I guess. But guessing the current laws are not strong enough or being ignored by local law enforcement. Which then comes back to the fact wether we have a set up a new department within INS or a new agency that checks each employer to make sure ALL of their employees are legal.
I guess my point is that we have to start out somewhere and Bush gets my vote for standing up and talking about the issue rather than letting it slide as it has been done for the last 18 years.
250 posted on 01/08/2004 10:49:06 AM PST by futureceo31
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To: PhiKapMom
Please note that Linda Chavez is ignoring two glaring points:

1) Illegals suck up huge amounts of social service tax dollars. When they're "legalized" they'll have no fear of demanding more. They expect MY tax dollars to support THEIR families.

2) Illegals have anchor babies that are (stupidly) automatic non-deportable American citizens.

Jorge Bush conveniently ignores these two points also.

Both don't seem to mind vacuuming the pockets of taxpayers to subsidize workers and employers.

It's despicable.
251 posted on 01/08/2004 10:49:51 AM PST by jimt
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To: futureceo31
The point of the current plan "proposed" by the president is NOT allowing mass migration (though enough people claim it is, but just saying it does not make it fact) but taking care of the current illegals problem in the country.

Which is contrived because if they can enforce this proposal then it would be even easier to enforce our current laws.

252 posted on 01/08/2004 10:50:21 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: okie01
Then, being without a job to justify their work permit, they'll have to go home, won't they? >>>>>>

LOL.......One or two little "Anchor Babies" almost always works AGAINST any deportations of any of these lawbreakers. Also allows many a steady welfare check for the next 18 yrs.
253 posted on 01/08/2004 10:50:30 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Trust but Verify
Aww. You think that BS will actually work. How cute.
254 posted on 01/08/2004 10:52:04 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: futureceo31
I would venture to say that the US Is a nation of 260 million immigrants, thought most of them came illegally, and probably quite a few had checkered pasts and were fleeing their own countries to come to the land of opportunity. The differnce is, it could have been 200 years ago or 2 years go but we are still mostly all immigrants...

Immigrant? Not me Baby! I was born here!

Oh, and by the way. Your question above about illegal aliens and their health care shows you are a newbie on here.

This is why so many of our health care facilities are going broke! They are using the emergency rooms and hospitals for their emergency and basic care. The law says they cannot be refused simply because they cannot pay and the government will not reimburse the care givers.

And now you know a little more.

255 posted on 01/08/2004 10:52:13 AM PST by navyblue
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To: swarthyguy
Will illegals who are smokers be allowed in too?

Yes, they will be allowed in. But they can no longer be hired as cops in Riverside County, California.

256 posted on 01/08/2004 10:52:56 AM PST by kevao
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To: kabar
Where I live, we were affected quite a bit by 9/11. Hotels had to fire even illegal workers to keep themselves from shutting down and thus causing a huge ripple effect in the economy. There is no silver bullet solution to the problem and just shutting down immigration or mass deporation of illegals (which will never happen) will cause the local economy to go into a tank. But the point I make again is, that lot of Americans WILL not work in these jobs and its not possible or credible for hotels since we are using this as an example, to all of a sudden increase wages. I guess I am trying to bridge what I think should happen which is probably similar to your views and what goes on in the real world.
257 posted on 01/08/2004 10:53:24 AM PST by futureceo31
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To: navyblue
It isn't only illegal immigrants who abuse healthcare, Americans born and raised here do the same, default on their loans, and file for bankrupcy. No worries!
258 posted on 01/08/2004 10:54:22 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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To: futureceo31
Which then comes back to the fact wether we have a set up a new department within INS or a new agency that checks each employer to make sure ALL of their employees are legal.

Unfortunately, this is not part of the proposal. So you can already guess what kind of enforcement we'll have.

259 posted on 01/08/2004 10:54:34 AM PST by kevao
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To: txdoda
After September 11th, the US government deported Saudi women in the Detroit area, for their anchor baby scheme. The kids went home with their mothers.
260 posted on 01/08/2004 10:55:43 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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