Big Chill Killed Off The Neanderthals

New Scientist ^ | 1-21-2004 | Douglas Palmer

[going hot]

So which Clinton is the human and which is the Neanderthal?

Web hubbel is the neanderthal, the witch is the ...the witch.

[DeepDish]

This is insurance for the global warming crowd. Something for them to keep in the background in case the climate ignores their "science" and goes the other way. This way no matter what happens, man caused it. It almost appears that the whole movement is like the ancient nature worshiping religions. You know the kind that tells you that the crop you lost to drought is because of your sins; the chief of which was that you shorted the high priest his "offering" last year.

[Little Ray]

I'm a neanderthal: a hairy, knuckle dragging, gun-owning, reactionary neanderthal and proud of it!

[Mamzelle]

re: I think this is pure bull)))

The nice thing about generating BS is that no one can actually prove you wrong...

In the competition for a Reasonable Working Theory, the arrogant forget that they cannot achieve Truth.

[Modernman]

Wow. My fiance is Danish- she has red hair, blue eyes and a face shpaed just like this child. The article posted earlier in this thread about redheads having the most Neanderthal DNA makes the resemblance interesting.

[Modernman]

don't know why, but that picture scares me every time someone posts it. If I have nightmares tonight, it's your fault.

Really? I find it quite touching. It's like seeing a picture of a long-lost cousin.

[John O]

Ice cores recovered from Greenland in the 1970s show that Europe's climate varied hugely during the last ice age, especially in the period between 70,000 and 20,000 years ago. Cold glacial periods were punctuated by warmer times, and the average temperature could rise and fall several degrees within a decade or so.

Here we have it. Proof that the neanderthals drove SUVs and destroyed their climate.!

[ruoflaw]

I think they do have an agenda and that is to lay out a new "theory" so they can get funded for more research in 2004 but that is just my opinion

[ForGod'sSake]

I think they do have an agenda and that is to lay out a new "theory" so they can get funded for more research in 2004 but that is just my opinion

Well, it sounds as good as anything else. Any idea where most of this funding comes from? Is there a Junk Science Venture Capital group we haven't heard of? Ah, that would have to be the universities; gatekeepers for every kooky idea/theory/notion that rears its head? I dunno, but something smells.

FGS

[xJones]

I think they do have an agenda and that is to lay out a new "theory" so they can get funded for more research in 2004 but that is just my opinion.

I'll agree with you. Academia: publish or perish, and lobby for those research grant applications!

[ruoflaw]

I think part of the money comes from taxpayers but RightWhale might be able tell you more

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks for calling me in here, Val. The British are obsessed by finding the cause of Neandertal extinction. They're devoted to the racist "Replacement" hypothesis. Neandertal didn't go extinct. Neandertal is part of the ancestry of living humans. There have been no studies that show otherwise, and morphology shows characteristics that are only found in Neandertal (the "h" in the name is incorrect, but the British also still use that) fossils and in the bones of living folks of (mostly) European descent.

[carpio]

BTTT

[SunkenCiv]

bumpin' the topic, with a reprise from another. Not a ping list, just a reply to those who have posted (other than 2 who I recall have opted off GGG, just to eliminate the possible misunderstanding).

The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: 11th Earl of Mar; A.J.Armitage; Agnes Heep; Ahban; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; abner; ameribbean expat; anniegetyourgun; backtobasics; bert; blam; CathyRyan; Citizen Tom Paine; carpio; colorado tanker; DallasMike; Darlin'; DeepDish; Destructor; Doe Eyes; dc-zoo; dead; dljordan; EggsAckley; ForGod'sSake; Free ThinkerNY; farmfriend; GunRunner; gcruse; genefromjersey; going hot; greenwolf; Henchman; John O; Kirkwood; LiteKeeper; Little Ray; Mamzelle; Migraine; Modernman; miltonim; msdrby; NonValueAdded; night reader; PeterPrinciple; Radix; RightWhale; Rocky; ruoflaw; templar; tpaine; txflake; ValerieUSA; vetvetdoug; xJones; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs

[night reader]

Big Chill Killed Off The Neanderthals

Women and children hardest hit!
Tom Daschle "very concerned!"

[oblivian]

"there is no one more thickheaded than a liberal, and especially those who waste our time and money trying to stop the warming that ended the ice age."

If you really knew anything about nature than you would know that rising global temperatures will cause a new ice age that we are already about 2 or 3 thousand years over due for. Ice ages are just natures way of creating balance in the environment.
And no i'm not a greeny. It isn't anything to do with the US, you will be affected just as much as the rest of the world, so get off your high horse and stop trying to prove that the US is a better country, you are the same as every other country in the world. You do die over there don't you or are you all immortal......

[oblivian]

Sure thing 'Egg', -- who cares if our rights to life, liberty & property are violated?

So the right to life and liberties and property of other countries aren't as important as Americas.

[redheadtoo]

The Neanderthals, however, ... died out, probably around 28,000 years ago.

Then how do you explain Ted Kennedy?

[oblivian]

"Geneticists describe the neanderthal as a separate species from us and as an evolutionary dead end. DNA test showed them to be enough different from us that crossbreeding would not have even been possible. I would guess that our ancestors got tired of looking at them and killed them all."

Than explain genetic cross-breeding in other mammal species.... Dogs for example have been cross-breed to produce better strains and for different purposes (e.g. pit bulls are breed for hunting and protection. Horses are cross-breed to make faster and stronger breeds.) So what makes it impossible for a neanderthal and a homo sapien (the basic equal to a labrador and a poodle) to cross-breed if it is benificial to both species, possibly making one smarter and the other stronger. It's called nature and nature adapts to suit the variables it is impossed with.
In other words there is no such thing as an impossability in nature.

[wtc911]

I don't know why, but that picture scares me every time someone posts it....

Yeah, I get scared thinking about my first wife too.