BUSH PLAN A MAGNET:Immigrants cite lure of border proposal

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | January 23, 2004 | Joe Cantlupe

[Roscoe]

On your mark, get set, go!

[Sloth]

They're just coming here to present phony documents that Americans aren't willing to.

[My2Cents]

You know, if I saw one of you people -- just one! -- say something to the effect that, "Bush's immigration proposal is not in the best interests of this nation, but considering everything else, I'll be voting for him this November anyway," I'd give credence to your comments. Since these umpteen threads a day on immigration always end up as primarily anti-Bush tirade fests, it's difficult giving those who post to them any serious consideration.

[Roscoe]

Bush's immigration proposal is not in the best interests of this nation

Yep.

[Little Ray]

Get real. The laws are enforceable. What is lacking is the will.

[Klickitat]

Like I said great tagline. Standing up for what's right, not just some political party sycophant.

[WayneM]

How can you say the laws are unenforcible? There has been no attempt at enforcement for a generation.

Police can't inquire about immigration status even when they arrest a felon who can't speak a word of English. Repeat felons can't be deported even when it is known they are illegals. Employers hire illegals with impunity.

I can't register my kids in a public school without presenting their social security card. Giving the SS number, as reported on my income tax form for the last 6 years, is not acceptable. And yet when we asked the school officials how all the children of illegals (estimated at 15% of the children in my daughter's school) were allowed to enroll without SS cards, we were told that "the government takes care of that". .

And you say the laws are not enforcible. GMAFB! The laws are not enforced because our elected officials have made the decision not to enforce them - not because the are unenforcible.

[Peach]

I agree with your comments about immigration completely. We will never find a president who does 100% of what we wish, but for Freepers or anyone else to think that Democrats WILL close the borders, make us safer, spend less money, etc., is not clear thinking.

Any Freeper who stays home on election day had best not show up complaining if a Rat is elected into office.

President Bush has done a better job protecting the homeland than any Democrat EVER will or ever could. In addition, we have had tax breaks and he is asking Congress for a spending cap. Contrast that with the Democrats who want socialized health care and don't seem to believe in tax cuts AT ALL.

[My2Cents]

I'll also say this: I think a good portion of the anti-immigration fervor is racist in origin. I never throw around the race card, but the hysteria I tend to see on these threads I can only interpret as resulting from an irrational fear of seeing little brown people overrunning the country. Let's be honest...There are good reasons for not supporting Bush's immigration proposal. There are also some bad reasons as well.

[Roscoe]

I think a good portion of the anti-immigration fervor is racist in origin. I never throw around the race card

LOL

[Klickitat]

You know, if I saw one of you people -- just one! -- say something to the effect that, "Bush's immigration proposal is not in the best interests of this nation, but considering everything else, I'll be voting for him this November anyway,"

I will be voting for President Bush in November. I will also continue to write, call and fax stating my opposition to any form of amnesty, or if you prefer "normalization".

[TommyUdo]

"You are most welcome to kindly read back to me in English the very....first....headline, from this daily Mexican newspaper, a day after Uncle Jorge's announced sellout of our national borders and integrity of the Republic...:

Who's Uncle Jorge?

[AmericanInTokyo]

Hey, AmericanInTokyo. I read your tagline. So I guess you'd rather have Kerry or Dean in the White House?

Please kindly grow up and drop the fatiguing scare tactics. Really. Isn't that a little old by now? Why rehash the vomit of four years ago and every other race where we are forced to "choose" between only two: a RINO w/ a liberal, big-government agenda and a Communist, simply because we are (sic) Republicans? (Unless you were really indulging in sarcasm to make the Bushbots look foolish.)

[kevao]

Actually, it's the latter. So many people have been saying that to me lately whenever I have an opinion that differs ever so slightly from Pres. Bush's, that I was just dying to use it on someone myself.

Oh, I forgot to mention. You're also a DU-ing, DNC-loving troll, and I hope you're ZOTTED!!!

[jimt]

Since these umpteen threads a day on immigration always end up as primarily anti-Bush tirade fests, it's difficult giving those who post to them any serious consideration.

It's also hard to give serious consideration to people who will ignore the numerous facts which demonstrate the enormity of this policy error.

[FITZ]

They'd come regardless.

In 1986 there was an estimated 300,000 illegals --- when the amnesty was announced, millions came pouring over the border to get in on it --- most of whom had never before stepped foot in the USA before that point. Amnesty which was proposed for the 300,000 illegals who were actually here ended up being given out to over 3,000,000.

[Junior_G]

You didn't notice that the Border Patrol are actually intercepting these people?

If you think that there aren't hordes of illegals that the Border Patrol ISN'T intercepting, then you are stunningly naive.

[meenie]

There seems to be trouble interpreting Bush words. Everybody wants to put their particular spin on what he says and what he doesn't say. As time goes on, the various alternatives keep changing. Green cards while working on naturalization requirements, but not amnesty, an employment program between employers and employees, a plan to enable aliens to register, a plan to get aliens enrolled in Social Security. Not one word of border security or deportation. That will come later when the latest trial baloon pops. It sure gets to be a problem trying to run a country on the latest reelection polls.

[FITZ]

I suppose Bush could increase the INS and Border Patrol's resources to absolutely stop the flow entirely. But then the "real conservatives" here would complain that he's spending too much federal money.

Bush has promised to cut the federal deficit in half --- a very good place to find that money would be to go after the employers of illegals --- fine them $25,000 a head ---- depending on how many crimes they committed in hiring illegals. The fines could range from $5,000 to $25,000 and up --- with 20 million illegals here --- maybe 5 to 8 million actually working that could bring at least 25 billion to a trillion or more dollars.

[FITZ]

That's an awful lot of high-5-ing going on with the Mexican elite!! Ethnic cleansing is what they're trying to pull off. Imagine our leaders getting rid of our minorities and having a photo showing them so jubilant about it!