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Couple demands halt to neighbor's smoking
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 1/23/04 | Phil Trexler

Posted on 01/24/2004 9:17:05 AM PST by mylife

Couple demands halt to neighbor's smoking Restraining order sought over nuisance to health By Phil Trexler Beacon Journal staff writer

Robert Zangrando has had it up to his chest, nose and eyes with his neighbor's smoking and he's taking her to court to get her to quit.

Zangrando, a retired University of Akron history professor who lives in Stow, was in Summit County court Thursday with his wife and lawyer.

Together they are seeking a restraining order against his next-door neighbor, Nicole Kuder, 28, that would prohibit her from smoking outdoors within 30 feet of her condominium.

Zangrando, 71, and his wife, UA instructor Lisa A. Pace, contend the smoking affects their health and has become a nuisance.

Before the hearing, Kuder said, ``I have tried to accommodate them, and this is the result.''

The couple's attorney, Ed Gilbert, called the situation an emergency and wanted Common Pleas Judge Marvin Shapiro to rule immediately on the restraining order request. Shapiro declined because Kuder came to court without an attorney.

Akron attorney Tom Adgate was retained by Kuder just before the hearing and was unable to attend. Shapiro delayed ruling until the hearing resumes Tuesday with Kuder and her attorney.

Kuder and Zangrando have been neighbors in a condominium complex on Higby Drive for about two years. Their two-story units are separated only by a shared wall. They share a front porch, and a wooden fence separates their back doors.

Zangrando said his neighbor's cigarette smoking is apparent whenever he opens a window or steps outside his home. He said the fumes compromise his health, causing him to wheeze and cough.

He said he suffers from lung problems, including emphysema, and has had asthma in the past. He said the smoking is such that he is reluctant to let his dog or two cats outside.

``It hits you right away, the minute you walk out the door. It catches me, I start coughing, I know she's smoking, I can see she's smoking visually, and I can get the effects of the smoke when I inhale what should be fresh air in my own back patio,'' Zangrando told the judge.

Kuder rents the condo she and her family live in and is not permitted to smoke inside the unit. Zangrando and Pace have owned their unit since marrying in 1996.

``It's a constant reality. She's out there smoking, and I have been appealing to her since she first moved: Please, if you're going smoke, would you move away from the house because the fumes come in our house, and we no longer have discretionary use of our house,'' Zangrando told the judge.

He said he has tried for more than a year to convince Kuder to smoke elsewhere, to no avail. He said he tried to reach an agreement in October, but Kuder and her husband, who does not smoke, refused to sign.

Kuder said Zangrando wanted her to walk to a nearby parking lot to smoke. She said he snoops on her, photographs her movements and has yelled at her to ``go, kill my family'' with her cigarettes.

``I tried to be nice and go out back and compromise, but they constantly harass us,'' Kuder said outside court. ``There have been times when I've had friends over, and he comes out screaming at us. It bothers me, but at the same time, I try to be a respectful smoker.''


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To: XBob
I didn't say I didn't want to live in this condo. I do. It is very nice with beautiful grounds and in a great area. I just do not want to smell smoke! It makes me ill!!!!!! Got it!
281 posted on 01/24/2004 12:05:14 PM PST by notaliberal
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To: Dog Gone
Since I have no legal recourse, I can either deal with the annoyance or move somewhere else. Just like this retired professor.

As an attorney, I would think that you would be aware that whether or not the retired professor has legal recourse has yet to be determined by the court. The court may find in favor of the plaintiff, the defendant, or (probably less likely) simply dismiss the case on either legal or jusisdictional grounds. Laws regarding smoking and so called 'smokers rights' are in a state of change. Hopefully, the losing party will take it through the appellate process and get a valid legal precedent, no matter who wins.

282 posted on 01/24/2004 12:08:07 PM PST by templar
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To: LisaMalia
Worse yet, I have to deal with the old adage that "an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client."
283 posted on 01/24/2004 12:08:28 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: JoJo Gunn
Not only would I continue smoking to torque off this idiot neighbor, I would be cooking cabbage, and chitterlings every night.
284 posted on 01/24/2004 12:09:16 PM PST by BOOTSTICK
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To: r9etb
"Who says she has to smoke at all?"

Well, apparently she is under the impression that SHE has the right to choose whether or not to smoke. Maybe she was brought up to believe that she lives in a free country.

285 posted on 01/24/2004 12:09:22 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: r9etb
Smoking is smelly and stupid

Maybe I am old fashioned, but I thought our freedoms included being smelly and stupid without our neighbor's interference.

Unless the wind carries the smoke up and then down right next door, I tend to think this man is a jerk. How many fireplaces in the neighborhood? How many grills? Does he cook on a grill? Has he taken any neighbors to court who cook on grills?

I would bet this is not the first issue he has had with this neighbor.

286 posted on 01/24/2004 12:09:35 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Don Joe
I suspect he's Tony Randall.
287 posted on 01/24/2004 12:10:01 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: Tacis
why don't you sue every car that passes by your house and pollutes your "area" with harmful exhaust fumes as well?
288 posted on 01/24/2004 12:11:03 PM PST by BOOTSTICK
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To: Don Joe
Are there any local ordinances, or condominium agreement terms, that prohibit letting animals run loose?

It doesn't really matter. They put the pets spin on their pathetic case to cover the winter months - really October to April - when they obviously will have the doors and windows closed against the cold and thus suffer precisely nothing from the alleged deadly tobacco odors.

Ya see, they must still open the door to let the cats and dogs out (in 17 degree temps) and when they do, they're assaulted with a cloud of venal tobacco smoke. Also the pets have to walk through it as well (boo hoo).

In addition, they'd have to assert that the pets are completely uncontrollable. They can't possibly wait one minute for the deadly tobacco smoke to disperse, and they also need to explain why the pets have such an uncanny habit of wanting to go out only when the defendant is on the porch smoking for three minutes.

So the reasons for mentioning the pets are to (a) justify the emergency restraining order, (b) to surmount the problem that in fact the doors and windows are actually closed from October through April and therefore the smoking is not really a problem at all, and (c) to raise the completely bogus (and irrelevant) implication that the pets - not the plaintiff - are the actual victims of second-hand smoke during the winter (I guess Cranky would argue that his "worry" about his pets is sufficient grounds for his claim).

See how pathetic and duplicitous this guy really is? Not merely a crank, but also a liar, willing to drag these ridiculous fabrications before a court of law. Add this to the photo-taking and yelling, and you have a clear picture of a man who'll stop at nothing - even lying in court - to control his neighbor.

289 posted on 01/24/2004 12:11:35 PM PST by angkor
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To: CatAtomic
62 - "I feel sorry for this jack@ss Zangredo because I've worked with many patients who have breathing problems, and there's nothing worse than having to fight for air, but this guy needs to address his hypersensitivity to smoke(and oddly no sensitivity to pet dander) on his own. It's his problem, he should either move to the Arctic Circle or a non-smoking building."

Some info which may help your work - I had a friend who was super 'hypersensitive' to all chemical odors (it finally killed him). He got this way after a an accidentally forced overexposure to insecticide for about 17 hours (accidentally locked in a building undergoing fumigation). So I am aware of the problems, and the 'liars' of problems.

As a smoker, I found that there were many people whose only problem is in their head - they have a pyschological problem, and have 'no problem' with smoking until they 'see' someone smoking.

If you are having to deal with such people, I recommend you get them to a 'shrink'.
290 posted on 01/24/2004 12:13:59 PM PST by XBob
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To: angkor
He said he suffers from lung problems, including emphysema, and has had asthma in the past. He said the smoking is such that he is reluctant to let his dog or two cats outside.

Not to mention the fact that people with emphysema can rarely abide living in the same house with pets. Same for asthma. That's one of the first things the doc will tell you to limit or get rid of all together.

This from a quitting smoker. Only 2 cigs today! But LOTS of coffee, LOL.

291 posted on 01/24/2004 12:15:39 PM PST by kimmie7 ("Cleaning with the kids at home is like shoveling during a snowstorm." -- Phyllis Diller)
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To: templar
The outcome of the case will be determined by what constitutues an actionable nuisance under Ohio state law, or possibly under any applicable local ordinances. However this case is resolved, it's not going to establish any precedent outside of Ohio. And, as you correctly noted, it's not going to set any precedent at all unless the outcome is appealed.
292 posted on 01/24/2004 12:16:32 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: mylife
He needs to move.
293 posted on 01/24/2004 12:17:22 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Don Joe
The guy's got major lung issues.

You know this for a fact, Doctor R9?

Presumably in the midst of his yelling and photographing and legal strategizing over the last two years, the good professor had the opportunity to have his physician prepare an attestation that he indeed suffers these medical problems. And of course he's compiled all of his medical bills from the last two years, showing that he does indeed receive treatment for these problems. Yes?

No, I don't think so. It's all just as fabricated as the rest of his case. The guy is an unmitigated liar. Hopefully he'll be charged with perjury.

294 posted on 01/24/2004 12:18:37 PM PST by angkor
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To: BOOTSTICK
Not only would I continue smoking to torque off this idiot neighbor, I would be cooking cabbage, and chitterlings every night.

Maybe this woman ought to introduce her neighbors to the joys of kim chi...
295 posted on 01/24/2004 12:18:45 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: mylife
note to couple: you can always move.
296 posted on 01/24/2004 12:19:11 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: r9etb
64 - "Their two-story units are separated only by a shared wall. They share a front porch, and a wooden fence separates their back doors. Zangrando said his neighbor's cigarette smoking is apparent whenever he opens a window or steps outside his home."

sounds pretty stupid to me - like a one legged man getting an apartment on a 5th floor walk up.
297 posted on 01/24/2004 12:20:09 PM PST by XBob
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I would bet this is not the first issue he has had with this neighbor.

Or his other neighbors. He's a nut, the kind of crank who nabs the little kids' kickballs when they land on his front lawn.

298 posted on 01/24/2004 12:20:35 PM PST by angkor
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To: XBob
like a one legged man getting an apartment on a 5th floor walk up.

BINGO BOB!

299 posted on 01/24/2004 12:26:04 PM PST by mylife
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To: Tall_Texan
Wonder how many Yankees die of pnuemonia every year because they had to go outdoors to smoke?

None, because pneumonia isn't caused by cold weather anymore than the common cold is.

Pneumonia is not a single disease. It can have over 30 different causes. There are five main causes of pneumonia: • Bacteria • Viruses • Mycoplasmas • Other infectious agents, such as fungi - including pneumocystis • Various chemicals

300 posted on 01/24/2004 12:26:21 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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