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Moon Base Has Certain Advantages
Oregon Magazine ^ | February 1, 2004 | Larry Leonard

Posted on 02/01/2004 12:04:16 PM PST by WaterDragon

Christine Miles, News That’s To The Point, KOIN-TV (CBS affiliate in Portland, Oregon) 5:48 A.M., January 15, 2003 -- Reporting about the proposed billion dollar a year increase in NASA’s annual budget, and a new focus on the creation of a permanent moon base. A stepping stone toward the goal of a manned mission to Mars sometime around 2030. Miss Miles said, “Many people feel that President Bush needs a reality check.”

This, of course, is a reference to the belief held by some (all liberal) Americans that the money should instead be spent by government on bloated and inefficient educational bureaucracies and social welfare programs to buy votes for Democrats in future elections. The Associated Press, also a headquarters for the American Left, said this:

AP article, January 14, 2003 -- Many Democrats say the administration should take care of problems at home before setting its sights on costly space initiatives, particularly in the face of budget deficits of about $500 billion.

Same thing, but more direct.

As we have asked in earlier Oregon Magazine pieces, what number is represented by “many?”

It sounds like “a lot.” A “substantial number.” So, we’ll have to figure out what a substantial number is. If that cannot be decided, the term “many” is meaningless, and so at best useless, and at worst misleading, in a news format.

One, as opposed to "many," moons

Perhaps, to keep Miss Miles and the Associated Press from being total PR flacks for the American Left, we can agree that “many” in a national story is the equivalent of, say, the total population of one of the fifty American states

To make it easier for them, we’ll use Oregon, which has a tiny population compared to most states. So, “many” means three million American citizens out of three hundred million. That is 1%.

Not very many. That can’t be right. Scratch that. Skip the state idea.

To help her out, we are going to generously stipulate that “many” means every living soul in America who is a Democrat. That is roughly 31% of the registered voters in the nation, and while not a majority, sounds like a “substantial number” to us.

So, in this case, that means 69% of America’s population doesn’t think that Bush needs a reality check.

While Miss Miles is constitutionally guaranteed the right to misinform her audience with unsubstantiated terms like “many,” if the majority of Americans believe Bush is correct, she can take her newscast and, well, continue to believe that what she is doing is journalism.

Part two: the social welfare objections

There is no end to the wish by liberals to redistribute income in America. If you were taxed 100%, it wouldn’t be enough for them.

They want free everything for everybody except people they don't like..(snip)

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KEYWORDS: advantages; bush; china; liberals; moon; napalminthemorning; space; spacetravel; spending; welfare; zubrin

1 posted on 02/01/2004 12:04:17 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
Terrible article, full of errors.

At least it is pro-space.
2 posted on 02/01/2004 12:18:32 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Lokibob
What a brilliant, well-thought-out, backed-up put-down! I'm in awe!
3 posted on 02/01/2004 6:00:15 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: Lokibob
Have pity on lesser mortals....let us in on just one, teeny 'error?'
4 posted on 02/01/2004 6:01:26 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: WaterDragon
Solving those problems close to home, and where there is a known supply of water (the moon has water) to drink and to split via solar generated electricity into hydrogen, a rocket fuel, and oxygen, what you must breathe to stay alive, makes old Luna both a great building site and a superb cosmic truck stop.
 
Did I miss something, thought the moon was dryier than the Sahara.
 

 
 
 
And, a damn sight easier to land on, than Earth.
 
Damn sight different, but just as hard.
 

 
 
A moon base, besides being a much easier launch pad than Earth, when compared to an orbital station offers a number advantages there, as well.  Having a little gravity helps. It is much easier to build structures on the moon. Things (doorknobs, hammers) don't just driftt away.
 
I would think that if this is an advantage, it isn't a deal breaker.
 

 
 
 
Bush's space spending represents 1% of the U.S. budget.
 
All of NASA's budget is only 15 billion (only, he says) and 1/3 of it is spent on domestic research.  President Bush's budget is not spent in space, it is spent on earth for space related projects.
 

 
 

5 posted on 02/01/2004 6:44:53 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: WaterDragon
Sorry water dragon, the super bowl got in the way of replying in a timely manner,,, LOL (It's never my fault)
 
 
Another one:
 
Reporting about the proposed billion dollar a year increase in NASA’s annual budget, and a new focus on the creation of a permanent moon base.
 
President Bush proposed a $1 billion increase in NASA's budget, and that was in the year 2009.  Prorated over the next 5 years, that is $200 million a year.
 

6 posted on 02/01/2004 6:53:55 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Lokibob
The moon for CERTAIN has no water?

More water on the moon September, 1998

There is more water on the moon than scientists had thought. Our science editor Dr David Whitehouse reports. Earlier this year scientists made the historic announcement that they had found ice on the moon buried at the lunar poles.

The discovery was made just weeks after the Lunar Prospector spacecraft entered the moon's orbit on the 16 January.

Water just below the surface

Refined calculations of the amount of lunar water are 10-times higher than the lower limit estimated earlier this year. The new research is published in Science magazine.

The new analysis also shows that the water is confined to localised areas near the poles, rather than spread out evenly across the polar regions, as was assumed.

The ice appears to be buried about half a meter beneath the lunar surface. There may be as much as three billion tonnes of water at each of the lunar poles. There may be slightly more at the north than the south pole.

When they presented their initial results in March, the scientists said that the water was likely in the form of a fine frost spread through the lunar soil. Further data analysis suggests the exciting possibility that their may be shallow deposits of ice.

The south polar region

Scientists assume that comets carried the water ice to the moon.

Lunar Prospector's instruments have also been surveying the moon's surface composition and have discovered that one well-known lunar feature - the huge Mare Imbrium basin - is unlike anything else of the moon.

"The mission has been an overwhelming success," said scientist Bill Feldman. "We have got beautiful science from two or three of our instruments. The third, we just have not had time to analyse the data yet."

According to another scientist working on the project, Rick Elphic: "We have barely begun scratching the surface of the analysis. We have not begun to touch on the many ramifications for the origin and evolution of the moon.

"Something special happened around Mare Imbrium - you do not see this sort of chemistry anywhere else on the moon."

7 posted on 02/01/2004 6:55:34 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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8 posted on 02/01/2004 6:59:26 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: WaterDragon

Battling articles:

note the date

 

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/13/1068674312947.html

 

Scientists await answer on water on moon

November 14, 2003

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Looking for the lunar skating rink.

The latest effort by science to answer whether there's ice on the moon has come up empty.

There is no sign of a lunar skating rink in the mysterious polar craters - nor even a big slab of ice.

The results of the most detailed radar study of the moon's shadowy poles to date do not mean the moon is bone-dry. But the apparent lack of large ice tracts suggests there isn't a big supply of life-sustaining water nearby if people ever wanted to colonise the moon.

"It certainly would have been nice to find some sort of lunar skating rink, or thick layers of ice, but it looks like it's just not there," said Bruce Campbell of the Smithsonian Institution's Centre for Earth and Planetary Studies.

Five years ago, NASA's Lunar Prospector orbiter found tantalising evidence that deep, permanently shadowed craters at the moon's poles could harbor ice in their sunless depths.

Prospector found elevated levels of hydrogen - a component of water - around the moon's poles, with the highest readings in the perpetually shaded craters. But the evidence for ice was indirect.

Subsequent experiments that bounced radio waves off these craters revealed no sign of thick ice layers, although those tests penetrated only a few feet below the surface.

Now, Campbell and colleagues at Cornell University have used the mammoth radar dish at Puerto Rico's Arecibo Observatory to probe craters more deeply than ever before - as far as six metres down.

And still there's no sign of thick layers of ice.

Campbell and colleagues say their findings support the idea that any ice in the moon's polar regions is in thin layers or widely scattered crystals mixed in with lunar soil.

The findings appear in the journal Nature.

If the moon's poles do have widely dispersed ice, Campbell said that means moon colonists would need equipment either to sort ice particles from the soil or to heat up the crater floors and collect the water vapour.

Astronomers have suspected since at least the early 1960s that the moon's polar craters, kilometres-deep and surrounded by raised rims, could have trapped ice from comet impacts over billions of years.

Temperatures in some craters hover at about minus 173 degrees, forming "cold traps" where water could collect even as it escaped into space over the rest of the moon.

Alan Binder, the director of the Lunar Research Institute in Tucson, Arizona, said the new results are consistent with the Lunar Prospector's findings suggesting widely scattered ice, perhaps a few hundred million metric tonnes of it.

But the only way to know for sure is to send a human or robot.

"You've got to go down and stick your finger in it, so to speak," he said.

NASA has no lunar missions planned to address that question, but it is soliciting ideas for lunar spacecraft.


9 posted on 02/01/2004 7:05:34 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: WaterDragon
Moon Base Has Certain Advantages

Such as, it would be a really excellent place to put all those whining Democrats, for a start... ;>)
10 posted on 02/01/2004 7:24:49 PM PST by KangarooJacqui (3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population.)
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To: WaterDragon
Right now, GWB is going to win Florida and Texas. He'll be competitive in NY state. The fourth big state is California, which went with Clinton-Gore in 92 and 96 and with Gore by (I think) 15 points in 2000. Gore spent little in 2000, although he did run an illegal scheme out of the VP's office during the 1996 campaign to selectively naturalize aliens in California. Arnold not only beat Gray Davis (despite high profile help for Davis from the Hollywood Brainlessness Trust), he got more votes in the splintered recall vote than Davis got in the regular election that preceded it.

California is a high tech and aerospace state with a large Hispanic population. Bush sez "Moon, better means to orbit, Mars" and "decriminalize Mexican illegal immigrants" and spends a little campaign cash, and maybe wins California. That's the outcome I want.

But that's not why I'm in favor of the Bush proposal. I'm in favor of the Bush proposal because it's exactly what I've been saying. Being a low profile internet nickname means I don't get any attention. I've been saying it because it makes sense. :')
11 posted on 02/01/2004 7:41:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Scrap the ISS! Don't throw good money after bad!)
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To: Lokibob
So, the scientists are still working on it and don't yet have all the answers. That's a reason to forget the whole idea?
12 posted on 02/01/2004 7:43:54 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: WaterDragon
Moon Base Has Certain Advantages

i.e. Infinite supply of cheese.

13 posted on 02/01/2004 7:46:43 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: SunkenCiv
Yes, it makes a lot of sense. New discoveries will be made in the process, discoveries that will beneit us all in our daily lives -- that's what comes from far-seeing space programs, too.

We'll be a lot safer on earth, too, if we have control of space.
14 posted on 02/01/2004 7:47:07 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: WaterDragon
NO, NO, WD, I want the space program. I think GWB didn't put enough money into it. If it were me, I'd double the budget and halve the time. I'd tell NASA to take risks, in the fine tradition of early earth explorers.

My only purpose was to point out the errors in the article. I even said in my first post that I was glad it was pro space.

Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
15 posted on 02/01/2004 7:53:19 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Lokibob
There's good spending(" Space, Defense), can all of the pandering cash be sent there?.
16 posted on 02/01/2004 8:39:40 PM PST by John Will
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To: Lokibob
Sorry if I misunderstood, Lokibob! A revived space program is JUST what we need. The amount of money Bush is proposing now is a good place to START, I think.
17 posted on 02/02/2004 4:31:08 AM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: WaterDragon
This, of course, is a reference to the belief held by some (all liberal) Americans that the money should instead be spent by government on bloated and inefficient educational bureaucracies and social welfare programs to buy votes for Democrats in future elections.


There are also some Americans who believe that the money should instead remain in the hands of those who earned it, to be used as they see fit.
18 posted on 02/02/2004 4:33:52 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Lokibob
The articles aren't "battling." Look at this quote from WaterDragon's article above:

The ice appears to be buried about half a meter beneath the lunar surface. There may be as much as three billion tonnes of water at each of the lunar poles. There may be slightly more at the north than the south pole.

Now, look at this quote from the article you posted:

Campbell and colleagues say their findings support the idea that any ice in the moon's polar regions is in thin layers or widely scattered crystals mixed in with lunar soil.

Both articles say the same thing: water is there, it just isn't present as pure, thick sheets. It's mixed in with the soil.

19 posted on 02/02/2004 4:38:44 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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Giant Impact Theory

20 posted on 11/14/2004 9:04:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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