What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

self | February 11, 2004 | little jeremiah

[Jeff Gordon]

Your philosophy is well thought through and logically consistent.

[Jeff Gordon]

SORRY!

No problem. Your first pass spelling did not detract from your message in the least.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks - it's a topic I've given a lot of thought and prayer to.

[Jorge]

Are you referring to my messages here, or my story of ten years ago? As far as I am concerned, Phelps is a crazy wicked man.

I don't recall ever reading your "story of ten years ago" and I certainly didn't mean to imply that anything you posted above sounded like Fred Phelps.

I was just pointing out that there's a fine line between effectively countering the gay agenda, and coming off as meanspirited and just plain offensive which ultimately is counterproductive.

For example I thought some of your suggested slogans were good, but thought others would just be inflamatory.

[little jeremiah]

The story from ten years ago is up the thread a little.

I can understand your concern about "inflammatory" bumper stickers and such. But after reading many of the links EdReform and scripter post here, especially about the homosexual indoctrination and recruitment in schools, I'm feeling pretty damn mean spirited. Have you read those links - about the GSLEN clubs in school, Fistgate and so on? It's a war. It's not a square dance.

[Askel5]

=== Clever rationalization.

I'm not rationalizing ANYTHING. I'm speaking to what IS.

Heterosexuals -- availing themselves of both the "right" to contraception as well as the "right" to manufacture children at will -- have rendered themselves essentially equal to homosexuals.

They are not obligating themselves -- by virtue of their very conjugal union -- to responsibility for ANY child that issues therefrom. Like homosexuals, they have claimed for themselves the Freedom to Choose whether or not sexual relations will be procreative, whether or not marriage is a lifetime obligation and whether or not children have the right to be born of their natural parents ... absent the immoral technologies which leave a slew of siblings suspended in liquid nitrogen and ripe for the harvesting by those profiteers who provided our President his already-been-killed embryos and who intend California to become the premiere supplier of human life conceived strictly for purposes of harvesting stem cells.

It's you who have the onus of proving to me that there is some essential distinction between the heterosexual couple and the homosexual one at this point.

To my knowledge, only the Covenant Marriage in Louisiana stands as a distinctly Christian confection of a marriage contract ... not only for its clear relation to Family but also its revoking upfront any of the "no fault" ease with which most marriages are dissolved these days once one or another of the partners fails to feel fulfilled where their "right to be happy" is concerned.

I'm not defending homosexuality in the least. I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the games has already been forfeit in advance by the very individuals -- like some on this thread -- who wish to eat their cake and have it too by enjoying all the trappings of birth control and artificial reproduction, pre-nup agreements and "no fault" divorce which rendered them essentially equal to homosexuals in the first place yet claiming that they are yet distinct from homosexuals because (God forbid!!) their birth control doesn't always work like it should.

[VxH]

>> I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the games has already been forfeit in advance by the very individuals


See C.S. Lewis' essay "The poison of subjectivism".

Scripture, not human behavior, is the standard by which morality is measured.

God has made it quite clear in His Word that marriage is between a man and a woman. He also made it clear that homosexuality is an abomination.

It's much simpler than you insist on making it...

Sola Scriptura.

[sfRummygirl]

This is a great article!
I think the hardest part about the homosexual issue is that the media and society really have adopted the 'born that way' mantra. I live in the San Fran bay area, and have a few gay friends. and it has been difficult for me to realize that every one of them are that way because of the parenting they got. The abusive and neglecting father turned the sons gay, the abscent and neglectful mother turned the girls lesbian.

I know this is not what this thread wants to get into, so I won't start this debate. But I do think this is critical to the 'heterosexual rights movement'. ;-)

[sfRummygirl]

yes, it probably will take a lot of work on our part. But we gotta stop being silent.

[Askel5]

Ah, "sola scriptura" is it? You're quoting Luther ... a fellow who felt himself equal to editing the Word?

Look ... no offense, but I don't have time to waste with bibliolators who claim a literal obedience to Scripture save for the part where Christ himself said: This IS my body, this IS my blood. DO THIS in memory of me.

If you wish to talk about what constitutes a Christian marriage ... all well and good. I'm sure we're in agreement ... save for the part where we keep it to a reasonable number of children, each perfectly Planned with an assist from CONTRA-ceptives.

But where we're speaking of Civil Marriage ... I refuse to pretend that sanction by the same State which sanctions abortion, birth control, for-profit childsex porn as "Free Speech" and a host of other atrocities somehow confers legitimacy on a union.

At this point, Christians would be better off to abandon civil unions entirely and found their authority STRICTLY and solely in a Christian construct ... not some egalitarian horror show which indeed has deconstructed heterosexual marriage such that homosexuals could claim "equality".

[sfRummygirl]

That's another thing I want to point out. Of all the male gay couples I have known, about 10-15 of them that are 'married', not a ONE of those couples even try to be monogamous. They just admit that two men together can't do it.

[VxH]

>>save for the part where Christ himself said: This IS my body, this IS my blood. DO THIS in memory of me.

 

Those are the words used in the Lutheran (LCMS) Communion sacrament - as per scripture:

 

Matt 26:26-29

 

26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." 

 

27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." 
(from New International Version)

 

 

Next?

 

 

[sfRummygirl]

yes, this is true. I mean, not only is that hateful and awful, but it's not even true. The "God Hates Fags" is terrible.

[sfRummygirl]

You know, you are very thoughtful and convey your suggestions well on this forum! I think you could help tremendously with all this. Please keep posting this issue on FR.

[little jeremiah]

You are absolutely right about this being a key element in turning the tide against the atrocities heralded by "gay" marriage and the indoctrination of kids.

Homosexuality is not and never has been, and never will be, an inborn, inherited, carved-in-stone identity. It is a behavior pattern based on the misdirection of natural sexual desires. Sex desire gone bad. And when it goes bad, it ruins people and ultimately society, if not defeated.

Check out some books on this website, if you want to read more. Lively has put together some really good materials that help you to talk to people from their level. Of course, we all know what scripture says about homosexual acts (and not just the Bible, but all Judaic literature like the Talmud, and Hindu scripture, and even Buddhist teachings) but to people who don't have strong faith in God (or none) just scriptural quotes won't help them.

Lively has very, very good materials and actually tomorrow I'm going to type up and post a letter he's sent out. He and his law partner are one of the two legal entities fighting the "gay" marriage in SF.

Anyway, here's the link to his website:

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/showproducts.php

This is just one page of the books they have available. For a great read, get "The Pink Swastika" - I couldn't put it down.

Here's a sample of some titles:

Defeating "Gay" Arguments With Simple Logic
Easy-to-use guidelines for winning the homosexual debate by exposing the hidden false assumptions and deceptive rhetoric of "gay" arguments.


Seven Steps To Recruit-Proof Your Child
A concise, practical guidebook for parents who wish to protect their children from pro-homoesxual indoctrination and the possibility of recruitment into the homosexual lifestyle.

The Pink Swastika: 4th Edition
The Pink Swastika is a thoroughly researched, eminently readable, demolition of the "gay" myth, symbolized by the pink triangle, that the Nazis were anti-homosexual.

The Poisoned Stream
Traces the "poisoned stream" of homosexual influences throughout history, particularly in Germany between 1890 and 1945.

Why and How To Defeat the 'Gay' Movement
A straightforward non-sectarian approach for rolling back the "gay" agenda...

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for your kind words.

Now if I could only get off my duff and DO something!

Seriously, if there's any kind of protests, rallies, or anything in SF or Sacramento, put it up here on this thread, and maybe elsewhere as well. I'll ping my list.

Put your thinking cap on - signs, street theater, costumes, we need to show the rest of America that we're not taking this lying down (or bending over, as the case may be)!

(sorry for the crude humor - but I didn't start this.)

[AppauledAtAppeasementConservat]

This is unbelievable stuff. It boggles the mind how this can go on in this country. It's time to move on and leave this country behind. I am waiting on God to call me and my family out. A line has been crossed and this country is no longer safe for children or christians for that matter. It's time to pack up and let God send forth his destruction upon this wicked nation and it's purveyers of filth and wickedness. I have been feeling like we have become the Mystery, Babylon the Great whose judgement is prophesied in Revelations to come upon them in one hour. Now I am assured of this.

[sfRummygirl]

thank you, I bookmarked these!

[sfRummygirl]

If we do organize something, it needs to be structured by a group. This could get out of control, and bring too many of the "God Hates Fags" people. Like one of the church groups, or even James Dobson's group, or something. Plus FR. Hmm....

[little jeremiah]

I say it's time to pray, and then whatever we can to serve Truth with a capital "T".

Man proposes, God disposes. If we stand up for the truth, then the result is up to Him. We just have to be on the right side.