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GPS data at issue in Peterson case
CNN.com/Law center ^ | Tuesday, February 17, 2004

Posted on 02/17/2004 5:29:10 AM PST by runningbear

GPS data at issue in Peterson case


Scott Peterson is charged with killing his pregnant wife, Laci, and their unborn son.

GPS data at issue in Peterson case

Judge to hear defense request to sequester jury

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 Posted: 0544 GMT ( 1:44 PM HKT)

REDWOOD CITY, California (CNN) -- Prosecutors and defense attorneys in Scott Peterson's murder trial are due in court again Tuesday to argue whether information gathered from tracking Peterson's vehicles by satellite after his wife disappeared should be admitted as evidence.

Peterson, 31, is charged with killing his pregnant wife, Laci, and their unborn son. Their bodies washed up separately on the shore of San Francisco Bay in April 2003.

After Laci Peterson vanished in late December 2002, police in the couple's hometown of Modesto placed global positioning system devices on three vehicles used by Scott Peterson to track his whereabouts. GPS devices use satellite technology to pinpoint locations.

A prosecution witness testified last week that the GPS devices, despite briefly malfunctioning at least four times, accurately tracked Peterson to San Francisco Bay.

Peterson told police he was fishing in the bay December 24, 2002, the day his 27-year-old wife disappeared, and had launched his boat from the Berkeley Marina. The bodies washed ashore a few miles from the marina.

Prosecutors said the GPS evidence is circumstantial but indicates that .......

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Court considers introduction of GPS data

Article Last Updated: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 3:43:18 AM PST

Court considers introduction of GPS data

Modesto police used satellite device to track Scott Peterson

By Jason Dearen, STAFF WRITER

REDWOOD CITY -- Prosecutors in the Scott Peterson double-murder trial will continue arguing today that data from a satellite tracking device during the Modesto police's surveillance of Peterson should be allowed as evidence.

Not only could the data be important for the prosecution's case against Peterson, the debate being heard in the Redwood City courtroom will influence the future use of Global Positioning Systems, or GPS, by California law enforcement agencies.

"This is the first case where it's been challenged, and it will set the precedent one way or the other," said Michael Seigel, a former assistant U.S. attorney in Florida and a professor at the University of Florida's Levin College of Law.

Seigel said GPS technology has been admitted as evidence in other states and in some federal cases because, to this point, it has not been challenged.

Police installed the tracking device on vehicles driven by Peterson after his wife disappeared and before his arrest. At a hearing Wednesday, prosecutors presented maps that showed Peterson's alleged visits to the Berkeley Marina in the days and weeks after Laci disappeared.

At this point only the prosecution and defense know how the evidence will be used, and both sides are under a gag order and cannot comment. But some legal experts have said the data might be used by prosecutors to show that Peterson returned to the marina to see if the bodies had floated to the surface.

Defense attorney Mark Geragos pointed out three separate glitches in the data and argued that the information should not be allowed as evidence because the technology is flawed.

The prosecution is expected to call as a witness today a representative from Orion Electronics, the manufacturer of the device used by Modesto police.

Geragos spent most of Wednesday's hearing grilling the prosecution's first witness, Peter Loomis, a staff scientist for Trimble Navigation, a maker of GPS technology.

While Loomis bolstered the prosecution's case by testifying that, despite the brief malfunctions, the devices are scientifically sound, Geragos had him on the defensive much of the day.

Other issues to be decided by Delucchi before jury selection begins include: .........

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GPS debate continues today in Peterson trial

GPS debate continues today in Peterson trial

By Michelle Durand, Daily Journal Staff

Judge Al Delucchi is expected to hear final testimony today about whether global positioning technology should be allowed as evidence in the Scott Peterson murder trial or if it is “fatally flawed” as the defense claims.

Delucchi’s decision, which will come after experts for both sides testify, will determine the admissibility of the tracking data. Prosecutors hope to use the data to show Peterson’s movements after police began eyeing him as a suspect in the disappearance of his pregnant 27-year-old wife, Laci, from the couple’s Modesto home.

If allowed, the evidence could be used to show that Peterson traveled to an area north of Fresno — the town where Peterson’s mistress lived — and to the Berkeley marina where the bodies of his wife and the couple’s fetus were eventually found. It would also be the first time the technology would be used in a California court.

If Delucchi agrees with defense attorney Mark Geragos, a jury will not hear about the tracking devices and what data was collected. Geragos argued last Wednesday that the systems are “fatally flawed” and lost track of his client two separate times. Geragos also wants prosecutors to tell the court where on Peterson’s vehicles the tracking devices were attached.

If the GPS ruling is given today, decisions will follow on whether to sequester the jury and if two separate juries are needed for the guilt and penalty phases. Prosecutors filed motions last week opposing Geragos’ request for both. The rulings must be completed before jury selection can begin in the capital murder trial. Delucchi has said he hopes to begin picking a jury within two weeks.

Other pre-trial motions remaining including the admissibility of dog tracking evidence and the testimony of a witness who was hypnotized.

If convicted of killing his wife and unborn son, 31-year-old Peterson faces........

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1 posted on 02/17/2004 5:29:12 AM PST by runningbear
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To: Rheo; Mystery Y; Searching4Justice; brneyedgirl; Scupoli; sissyjane; TexKat; Lanza; Mrs.Liberty; ...
Pinging for hearing today....
2 posted on 02/17/2004 5:30:04 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: submarine; texasbluebell; truthkeeper; BobFromNJ; WestCoastGal; Sunshine55; Yaelle; madison10; ...
Pinging for hearing today....
3 posted on 02/17/2004 5:30:30 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Constitution Day

"Hello, Onstar, how can I help you?

"How many pounds of cement do I need to weigh down a body?"

"About 100 sir, and thank you for using Onstar."

4 posted on 02/17/2004 5:35:20 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"About 100 sir, and thank you for using Onstar."

Unnamed sources say that Scotty is completely behind the current boycott of OnStar.
"Because of privacy concerns?", you might ask?

No, because they gave crappy advice! ;)


5 posted on 02/17/2004 5:49:35 AM PST by Constitution Day (Bughters didnurce!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
So that will be a new On Star commercial?

You are really good when you are really bad.
6 posted on 02/17/2004 6:04:18 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: runningbear
Thanks for the ping. This is really interesting.
7 posted on 02/17/2004 6:05:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Good morning Grampa! :)
8 posted on 02/17/2004 6:07:49 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Good Morning!

Your great humor shared with us on this thread, is what makes FR so much fun when we read the news on FR. We get the real story with some great humor weaved in the replies.
9 posted on 02/17/2004 6:20:57 AM PST by Grampa Dave (John F' Kerry! You are not John F. Kennedy! You're just another $oreA$$ puppet.)
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To: Grampa Dave
It can't be admitted as evidence. The same idea that it could be used to prosecute could be twisted in future crimes to establish locations which could prove innocence falsly.

All you would have to do is let an accomplice drive your car to Vegas or Tahoe while you whack someone in LA, and then use the Onstar data to clear you.

Any Onstar data, short of a video establishing who is at the wheel with a time/date stamp would be reasonable doubt either way IMHO.

10 posted on 02/17/2004 7:18:02 AM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: runningbear
I'm not clear on whether the GPS tracker was installed with or without a court order. Anyone know?
11 posted on 02/17/2004 7:24:18 AM PST by templar
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To: runningbear
Wow, GPS is unreliable - somebody better tell the FAA!

Let's see, last week we flew 263 people up our West Coast, into Canadian airspace, then Alaska, across the Bering Straits into Russia, international airspace controlled by North Korea, and completed the 5214 nautical miles in 12 hours 27 minutes of precision GPS navigation by landing in Seoul Korea (plus or minus 33 feet).

Not reliable at all, not sir... /sarcasm

For inquiring minds:
KSFO RBL J1 OED J501 TOU J523 YZT J502 ANN J195 KBA LAIRE J711 HBK J133 ANC J111 OME YUREE G212 GA B337 ODORA B233 DE B467 KAE G597 DARBU RKSI
12 posted on 02/17/2004 7:38:29 AM PST by XHogPilot
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To: blackdog
Not necessarily so. People who are traveling do many other things beyond just driving, like purchasing meals and renting lodging. If done with a credit card, all of this leaves a remarkably clear paper trail, often with signed credit card slips along the way, which provide additional evidence to verify that a particular person was driving a particular vehicle at a given time.

Also, if the only evidence of a vehicle's driver's location is GPS data, other information about where that person was and who had access to her vehicle could be introduced to support or refute the assumption that she was driving the vehicle.

Finally, on the issue of GPS itself, I have it on my vehicle and it is uncannily accurate, usually within about 50 feet. Government agencies also consistently use it when the want to establish the accurate locations of buildings and other facilities. For example, the Tennessee Valley Authority, for which I worked before retiring, used and uses GPS fixes to locate and identify each of its many buildings for Federal energy reporting purposes.

13 posted on 02/17/2004 7:38:39 AM PST by libstripper
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To: blackdog
That's why they accompanied the GPS with a person following him.
14 posted on 02/17/2004 7:57:10 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: templar
They got court orders to place the tracking devices.
15 posted on 02/17/2004 7:57:57 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: libstripper
I have a Garmin Geko 101 (cheapie model) and it often gets me within 9 feet or less of my intended target (Geocaching). Thing cost barely more than $100.
16 posted on 02/17/2004 8:14:02 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: libstripper
My airplane uses GPS and I'm quite aware of it's use.

When I'm scud running and flying an unpublished approach into my airport, my transponder is turned off, thank you!

And yes....The credit cards, toll booth cameras, mini-mart gas purchases, and such go without saying.

That known, every technology can be thwarted with common sense and low-tech methods. The more and more law enforcement becomes dependant on such tactics, the easier it will be to beat them.

Imagine a task force trying to pin something on a suspect and they are trying to establish that he travelled from LA to Reno and back. They would merely review all the video tapes of gas stations along the routes. But what if the suspect kept a few Gerry Cans of gasoline in the vehicle, allowing him or her to go thousands of miles without a fill? Swap plates on a car randomly at a hospital or shift working business. Use them for a few days and then swap them back. Shift workers are useful. They won't even notice unless plates were just missing. They won't even notice changed numbers.

Any traffic cameras use plate numbers.

Use shot noise generators to trash any evesdropping devices or wireless transmissions. They cost a few bucks to make.

The same technology used to prosecute you can be turned around to cover-up for you. A strong defense can be mounted by using technology to exhonorate you if you know how to go about it.

17 posted on 02/17/2004 8:20:07 AM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: IYAS9YAS
GPS on my airplane is accurate to within about 20 feet per deflection increment. A localizer and glideslope indicator are accurate to within about five feet per increment at the middle marker and about two feet per increment after the inner marker beacon.

GPS is great for universal use, but when things are really foul, nothing beats the localizer. Strictly analog devices though.

18 posted on 02/17/2004 8:26:27 AM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: runningbear
"A prosecution witness testified last week that the GPS devices, despite briefly malfunctioning at least four times, accurately tracked Peterson to San Francisco Bay."

I want this to be allowed in so bad..but where does the privacy laws start and end?

19 posted on 02/17/2004 8:27:22 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
If you find the bandwidth the GPS is using, you can stomp it out from right inside the vehicle. I used to have a real problem with a comm radio which would stomp out the whole panel when the microphone was keyed. GPS, LORAN(C), ADF, and VOR/Localizers would just go haywire. When things got busy in the cockpit on occasion I hated a busy radio because it took about fifteen seconds for all the Navigation devices to come back to normal after each transmission.
20 posted on 02/17/2004 8:46:53 AM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
A set of unshielded plug wires, an ignition coil with an arcing wire, and a modified CB radio with the microphone keyed and taped down would muddle up just about everything including the ATM machines in the neighborhood.
21 posted on 02/17/2004 8:51:36 AM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
With a warrant, Kim--with a warrant!
22 posted on 02/17/2004 9:00:39 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse; Velveeta; ~Kim4VRWC's~; All
Here is a link to a story in today's Chicago Tribune on my friend who is missing. I am going to see about starting a thread later today when I get home.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/southsouthwest/chi-0402170073feb17,1,1319947.story
23 posted on 02/17/2004 9:06:49 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: templar
The did have a warrant okayed by a Judge to use this device. They also had two detectives tailing him. So in essence, the GPS system was backed up by real eyes. This technology helped them to NOT lose him.
24 posted on 02/17/2004 11:39:38 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Jackie-O
Gosh Jackie you have to register to read the darn article. It says they will email you in 48 hours with confirmation. I don't want to get emails from them all the time (spam). That's what happened with the New York Times. Is there anyway you can cut and paste the article and post it?
25 posted on 02/17/2004 11:45:30 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Devil_Anse
Good morning Dev!! Where were ya yesterday?????
26 posted on 02/17/2004 11:46:35 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage
they have eye witness to the fact scott made visits to the berkley marina.....I am more interested in why jackie didn't show in court today...the first day she has ever missed....pulling a sham to divert from scott ??? like I can't breathe???lol
27 posted on 02/17/2004 1:57:04 PM PST by fiesti
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I eat my lunch "online" -- nearly spat pad thai noodles all over my new keyboard!!! Yours is the funniest post I think I have ever seen!!!!! LOL for real!
28 posted on 02/17/2004 2:01:44 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Thank you.
29 posted on 02/17/2004 2:02:54 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: fiesti
Fiesti!!!!!! I was just thinking of you. I didn't know that Jackie didn't show today. Your right, probably gonna play the "sick" from the stress of it all. I guess she shouldn't have raised a lying sociopathic murderer then.!!
30 posted on 02/17/2004 2:27:08 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Yaelle
I had to go back and re-read T J's post. That was funny ROFL!!
31 posted on 02/17/2004 2:29:54 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: fiesti
Incidentally - Where have you been??
32 posted on 02/17/2004 2:31:19 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Devil_Anse
Have you noticed that whenever Geragos challenges any kind of evidence it is always "FATALLY FLAWED"!! I suggest that if GPS is fatally flawed that Mr. Geragos NEVER get on another airplane.
33 posted on 02/17/2004 3:11:40 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage
"I suggest that if GPS is fatally flawed that Mr. Geragos NEVER get on another airplane."

Just heard - GPS IS IN!

34 posted on 02/17/2004 4:56:05 PM PST by drjulie
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
just catching up... >Judge allows GPS into evidence...>Geragos loses this round....

of course I am just reading the article from KTVU. Also, Ted Rowlands, reported he was or is subpena to testify on that interview he did. More to follow.....

35 posted on 02/17/2004 5:00:17 PM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: blackdog
. I used to have a real problem with a comm radio which would stomp out the whole panel when the microphone was keyed. GPS, LORAN(C), ADF, and VOR/Localizers would just go haywire.

There had to be a wiring error there somewhere; the only way I've seen that RF can affect all those devices simultaneously is when the coax wasn't firmly in the comm radio and RF was seen/present *in* the cockpit ... broken shield, improper connector installation ...

36 posted on 02/17/2004 5:04:40 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: All
Judge allows GPS evidence, bars hypnosis testimony

Judge allows GPS evidence, bars hypnosis testimony

By GARTH STAPLEY and JOHN COTÉ

BEE STAFF WRITERS

Last Updated: February 17, 2004, 04:03:00 PM PST

3:58 p.m., PST: REDWOOD CITY – Evidence from satellite tracking devices covertly placed on Scott Peterson’s vehicles will be allowed at his trial on double murder charges, but prosecutors will have to tell the defense where police placed the units, a judge ruled today. But after that prosecution victory, Judge Alfred Delucchi barred from trial testimony from a woman police had hypnotized, ruling the hypnosis wasn’t conducted in accordance with state law.

Delucchi also said he would decide before jury selection whether jurors would be sequestered and whether a separate jury would decide if Peterson should receive the death penalty if convicted. Those decisions could come later this week.

“They ought to be told that upfront,” Delucchi said, referring to whether jurors would be required to live at a hotel and restricted access to newspapers, radio and television for the duration of testimony, which is estimated to last at least four months.

Peterson’s defense is seeking to sequester jurors and empanel separate juries, arguing both rare steps are necessary for the Modesto man to receive a fair trial after being “demonized” by the media. Prosecutors oppose both requests.

Peterson, 31, has pleaded not guilty to charges he murdered his wife, Laci, and unborn son, Conner, in a case that has drawn international attention. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

In court here, Geragos said the penalty phase ........

37 posted on 02/17/2004 5:52:41 PM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: _Jim
It turned out to be two things. The first was a bent over pin in the tray connector. The second was some wire routing on the firewall and funny enough, a wire going to the altitude encoder that had a broken shield in the wire. In Cherokees they are mounted up front. Usually right near the blow-by vent tube(nice huh?)

You're right though by symptom, that being a short. Bent over pin.

38 posted on 02/17/2004 6:37:21 PM PST by blackdog (Churchill si veveret, ad remum dareris!)
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To: runningbear; drjulie; Canadian Outrage
Judge bars prosecution witness in Peterson case

By Brian Anderson

CONTRA COSTA TIMES


REDWOOD CITY - Lee Peterson was confident on Tuesday as he left the courthouse where his son Scott Peterson is facing two murder charges.

The high-profile defense attorney he had hired to represent his son had scored a victory moments earlier. Judge Alfred Delucchi's decision to bar testimony from a witness whom police had hypnotized handed the defense a win on what otherwise was a losing day.

"It's going to be a blowout," Lee told reporters. "My kid's going to walk out."

Prosecutors had hoped to call to the witness stand Kristen Dempewolf, a Modesto woman who resembled Laci Peterson. Neighbors reported seeing Laci walking a dog after police believe her husband Scott had already killed Laci. Officials believe the neighbors actually saw Dempewolf.

Dempewolf, who lived in the Petersons' La Loma neighborhood in Modesto, was in about the same stage of pregnancy when Laci vanished Dec. 24, 2002.

Los Angeles defense attorney Mark Geragos asked Delucchi to prevent Dempewolf from testifying, saying that a counselor who hypnotized the woman to help her remember events of that day did not follow proper procedures.

Delucchi agreed, adding that the handling of the Dempewolf matter was "all very troubling."

Minutes earlier, Delucchi ended two days of testimony on global positioning systems with a ruling that prosecutors will be allowed to introduce tracking data.

Police began tracking three vehicles used by Peterson, 31, in January 2003, just weeks after....
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/7975975.htm
39 posted on 02/17/2004 7:34:09 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Jackie-O
Praying for his safe return, Jackie!!!
40 posted on 02/17/2004 7:42:02 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage
LOL, I don't think I was on in the evening, or if I was, it was after everyone else had gone to bed!

I read your story about the cat, though. Fascinating! I'm glad you were able to help the little tyke--and in return he was a good pet to you!
41 posted on 02/17/2004 7:44:01 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: fiesti
What?? Jackie P was a no-show? Hmmm! (Maybe she needs GPS to find the new courthouse?)
42 posted on 02/17/2004 7:45:08 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage
We can add "fatally flawed" to the list of phrases we wish we'd never have to hear again, such as "rush to judgment" and "bring closure".
43 posted on 02/17/2004 7:46:41 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage
Yeah, I'd love to be behind him in line while boarding, and say, "WHAT?? But... you can't fly on this thing... it uses GPS!!!"
44 posted on 02/17/2004 7:47:51 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Velveeta
Oh, well. So they can't question Demepwolf on that subject, but at least they can still elicit testimony ABOUT Dempewolf, from other witnesses who may have seen HER.

Maybe they can make Dempewolf an exhibit? "Mr. So-and-So, please view State's Exhibit 1... did you see her on that date?"

But seriously, folks, I've seen where they would have a person walk up to the gate of the courtroom, and just stand there, and witnesses would confirm or deny if that was the person they'd seen... this was in situations where the person who walked in was NOT a defendant.
45 posted on 02/17/2004 7:53:22 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: drjulie
Praise the Lord!! I thought it would be. For crying outloud if it's good enough for NASA and all the Airlines, it's good enough to track Snott Peterson. I think ALL the evidence is coming in except maybe a portion of the Kristen whatherrname who was hypnotized. All I really want to hear about or from Kristin is what she was wearing and what Snott said to her and what she "saw" him loading into the back of his truck.
46 posted on 02/17/2004 8:21:49 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: Devil_Anse
I wonder if what Kristin had to say was anything very startling. I also wonder, as did Julie, whether they took a statement from her when she was NOT hypnotized. And can you believe the ignorant attitude of Sr. Peterson? I think these people may be in for a shock. One witness is excluded and "his kid is gonna walk"??? Yeah he'll walk alright, straight to the Death Chamber I hope. I wonder what wasn't done correctly. Dev do you think there is "another way" to get some of her evidence in?
47 posted on 02/17/2004 8:29:20 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South!!)
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To: blackdog
Since this was apparently an installed device, merely finding it would allow the possibility of downloading the generated file and uploading it after modifications of the location data.
48 posted on 02/17/2004 8:30:57 PM PST by Axenolith (Politicians lie. If they told the truth, the voters would vote for their lying opponents.)
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To: Canadian Outrage
"I wonder if what Kristin had to say was anything very startling."

It's hard to tell at this point if this was a major screw up by LE. I don't know what they were trying to find out or what she might have said. As Dev said - maybe they could just bring her in the courtroom and ask the witness (the guy with one glass eye!) if this could be the woman he saw on the 24th walking in the park. It could be that there was something else though that would explain Lee's exuburance - like she saw Scott doing something when she was out walking. Those Petersons have a way with words, don't they? Geez - they need to have their mouths taped shut.
49 posted on 02/18/2004 5:02:42 AM PST by drjulie
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To: Velveeta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>""It's going to be a blowout," Lee told reporters. "My kid's going to walk out.""<<<<<<<

Amazing of the outlook that, IF Scott was so innocent, then why is he held still in jail!!!

Only the jurors will have their say on this creep! ;o)

50 posted on 02/18/2004 5:15:36 AM PST by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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