Posted on 02/27/2004 3:50:25 AM PST by Core_Conservative
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
*Senders words: Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs. I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your email contacts.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
Can we assume that you are unfamiliar with the work and power of the Holy Spirit?
Thanks for the photos; we need all the reminders we can get!
(Romans 10:17)
BTTT
It was my point to arrive at a conclusion when I responded to the post. Perhaps you are suggesting my conclusion is flawed. Perhaps it is. Lets review.
A person named Core_Conservative on FreeRepublic posted an article titled Allah or Jesus with an unknown author. After reading the article, I concluded that it was a made up story to advance an agenda I disagree with. I responded.
Posted by MosesKnows to Core_Conservative
On News/Activism ^ 02/27/2004 4:18:04 AM PST #5 of 24 ^
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
I don't believe you, but unfortunately there are those who will.
This may not be the most elegant way to tell an unknown author I dont believe his story is true but I am not in doubt that Rick Mathes is well known in prisons
I reread the portion that caused me to doubt the validity of the story.
"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, (if not corrected then what follows must be accepted as correct) but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven.
The question then asked cannot be answered without agreeing that his understanding is correct even if his understanding is incorrect.
The question asked. If thats the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?" At this point, any answer given agrees with the authors understanding. The next sentence reveals that if the Imam did not disagree with the statements the statements must be true.
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" That is the point of this type of discourse. It is not asking, it is teaching. Now, it is also true I could be confused. What does the next exchange bring?
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
You might have missed the transition from the word infidel meaning non-believers to infidel meaning everyone who is not of your faith. You may have missed the transition from most to all. You may have missed the error in the meaning of jihad. It is my opinion that the false and misleading statements are intended is persuade ignorant people to fear of Islam.
There is more than one lesson to be learned from teachings such as these. My conclusion remains unchanged, the story is false and only told to spread misinformation about Islam.
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