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ATKINS DIET CARB-CURBERS CRABBY: STUDY
NY Post ^ | March 2, 2004 | BILL HOFFMANN

Posted on 03/02/2004 4:21:57 PM PST by Senator Pardek

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:19:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Atkins Diet and other weight-loss plans that limit carbohydrates can turn you into a sourpuss, a new study shows.

Scientists found carbohydrates help boost the production of serotonin which controls emotions and a shortage can lead to mood swings and depression.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: atkins; atkinsdiet; carbs; health
You'd never know it from reading the Atkins threads here...
1 posted on 03/02/2004 4:21:58 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
I would think that those who are not happy about their weight would also be crabby :-).
2 posted on 03/02/2004 4:24:03 PM PST by psjones
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To: Senator Pardek
Hmmmm . . . would SSRIs help people lose weight, by keeping serotonin levels up and thus reducing the need for sweets and starches?
3 posted on 03/02/2004 4:26:24 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Senator Pardek
sorry, sounds like junk science, promoted by the junk-food
high-carb industry like General Mills, and archer daniels
midland.

They are desperate to discredit the low-carb
fanatics because its killing their bottom lines.
4 posted on 03/02/2004 4:27:35 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: Senator Pardek
I am already crabby. Atkins or not.

Anyway, it may simply be the case the crabby people are more likely to try the Atkins diet vs. your more cheerful sort.
5 posted on 03/02/2004 4:30:54 PM PST by absalom01
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To: Senator Pardek
I used a sibling of the Atkins diet, called Protien Power.

Days 2-4 were the worst, though I can't say I was ill tempered. After that I felt better and better, and I was certainly not crabby.

I guess it depends on the person.
6 posted on 03/02/2004 4:31:54 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Senator Pardek
Wow I should try it...I'm a crab to begin with...it would unleash my full crabbiness potential...
7 posted on 03/02/2004 4:32:05 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: GovernmentShrinker
ssri's can give you the munchies. i lost 10 lbs. on the depression diet.:)

if I eat fat and protein, my body tells me when I've had enough. When I eat carbs, especially sugar, I have to tell myself to stop.

Mrs VS
8 posted on 03/02/2004 4:32:31 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Senator Pardek
Look here, if you post one more article on dieting and mood swings, I'm gonna cut off your arms and beat you with the bloody stumps - ya' hear me?

Now pass the sirloin....

9 posted on 03/02/2004 4:32:52 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: GovernmentShrinker
They can. Some. But that's not a good reason to take them.
They're not harmless........
10 posted on 03/02/2004 4:33:21 PM PST by nuconvert (CAUTION: I'm an acquaintance of someone labelled :"an obstinate supporter of dangerous fantasies")
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To: Senator Pardek
I used to work at a well known sausage/meat packing plant, and we got all the free meats we wanted in the lunch room 24/7. I figured it was the perfect opportunity for me to try the Atkins thing.

Well I had to do PLC installations and programming for machine controls. After a week on pure meat, I hated the world and took joy in the suffering of others.

Screw that.

I now exist on Atlanta Bread Company, Cappicolla Ham (the real stuff), good cheese, lamb, red wine, sweet tea, and espresso.

My disposition is now fine and I'm happier with the twenty extra pounds.

Anyone who goes Atkins is insane.

11 posted on 03/02/2004 4:35:37 PM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: Senator Pardek
This explains why people can still feel hungry after chowing down on a large steak - because, while their stomachs are full, their brains are not making enough serotonin to stop their appetite.

Hungry after eating a large steak? Uh, not me. Now, hungry after having a bowl of cereal with skim milk? Yeah. Very.

12 posted on 03/02/2004 4:35:54 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Senator Pardek
I take seratonin capsules to counter this crabby effect and make me more kindler and gentler. Unfortunately, it's also a great sedative, so I usually end up sleeping through any crabless sessions. The good news is I've lost 50 lbs so if I'm crabby, then you all can just kiss my...zzzzzz.
13 posted on 03/02/2004 4:36:21 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Senator Pardek
My two law partners and I were on Adkins during the year proceeding our extremely conflicted breakup. I'm becoming more and more convinced that the diet we were on (the three of us lost a total of 125 pounds) resulted in the extreme misunderstandings and hostility which resulted.
14 posted on 03/02/2004 4:36:46 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Senator Pardek
This reminds me of one of THE funniest Usenet posts from the past year:

Search Result 16
From: RJRSJ1 (rjrsj1@aol.comzyxqyzx)
Subject: Re: Jack Osbourne Stumbles On Atkins Diet Quest
View: Complete Thread (36 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.gossip.celebrities
Date: 2003-09-18 10:21:52 PST
>
>then again, he's only, what - 18 or 19 years old?  he's like all of
>us,
>looking for the easiest and fastest way to trim up.  i work with a
>girl who munched on pork rinds all day long because they had 0 carbs. 
>good grief!  the schmuck didn't realize that pork rinds are ANIMAL FAT
>fried in ANIMAL FAT!!  she might as well eat crisco.

But they contained zero carbs - she will or has to have lost weight if she was
consistent.



15 posted on 03/02/2004 4:38:52 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: Mercat
Well, I will take the mood my husband is on now with Atkins vs. his up and down sugar level mood swings on a carbohydrate diet. The sugar levels in his blood either made him sleepy or caused him (due to the drop) to go into rages.

I think this all depends on a person's individual body chemistry.

16 posted on 03/02/2004 4:41:09 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Senator Pardek
Yeah, well these reasearchers can just bite me!

(Seriously, though, I've been sleeping much better since purging all of those nasty carbs, and that alone has made me much less grouchy than before I started. Dropping 35 pounds in 2 months also has a bit of a positive attitude adjustment.)

17 posted on 03/02/2004 4:41:21 PM PST by kevkrom (Ask your Congresscritter about his or her stance on HR 25 -- the NRST)
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To: All; NYC GOP Chick
When I tried Atkins pork rinds were part of my diet. And I did lose weight!

Also, I've been on various SSRIs for years and I have never known them to curb the appetite. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Everyone knows that anti-depressants (aka SSRIs) can cause weight GAIN. I just started a new one a week and a half ago, and I have gained 9 pounds. Today I started eating low-carb again to try to fight. Will try to stick to it this time.
18 posted on 03/02/2004 4:43:02 PM PST by DameAutour (It's not Bush, it's the Congress.)
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To: blackdog
I started the Atkins three weeks ago. I thought "What the heck". I am losing weight at a constant rate and now have total control over my apetite. So eating smart isn't crazy. The man in my head says so.
Besides my wife loves carbs and she has reverse PMS-(She's nice two days a month).
19 posted on 03/02/2004 4:45:18 PM PST by IrishCatholic (Liberals are proof that public education has failed.)
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To: DameAutour
When I tried Atkins pork rinds were part of my diet. And I did lose weight!

Did you stuff your face with them, for hours and hours?!

And if you did, I'm sure glad that you never used my bathroom! :D

20 posted on 03/02/2004 4:45:49 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: IrishCatholic
Do you exercise?
21 posted on 03/02/2004 4:48:43 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: Mercat
The department I worked in had several electricians who were enormous. Every now and then they would have a fat-a-thon. One guy lost and regained 85 pounds in one year. Another guy weighed in at 325 pounds quite proudly in his Speedo (we had an industrial floor scale in the shop). He trimmed down to 275 and gained it all back too. He claimed he fills out his Speedo better over 300 pounds.

The Speedo guy also refuses to have a bank account, pays cash for everything, refuses to shake hands, crushed his TV with a tractor after the last baseball strike and hasn't watched television since, and cuts his grass and drives his tractor while doing farm chores in his Speedo's.

Fat loss episodes can make people a little nutty.

22 posted on 03/02/2004 4:53:04 PM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: Senator Pardek
People should read the various Low Carb diet books such as The Schwarzbein Principle and Potatoes not Prozac. Both books go into detail on how the release of insulin is necessary for the production of seratonin. Basically the book says to eat low carbs during the day and eat a small potato or starch close to bed time and the insulin release works with the tryptophan from all the good proteins eaten earlier in the day and produces seratonin. The insulin release also helps you get into that good restful sleep.

However, too many people who follow the Atkins diet does not follow the dietary guidelines in Atkins and never increase their carbs to a high enough level to keep the seratonin levels right. I no longer have the mood swings from hypoglycemia since I started low carbing and cutting out the refined products.

23 posted on 03/02/2004 4:54:38 PM PST by CajunConservative
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Eww no! LOL

And I've heard that Atkins dieters should be avoided when it comes to public bathrooms. Even so, it was nice to lose weight.
24 posted on 03/02/2004 4:56:21 PM PST by DameAutour (It's not Bush, it's the Congress.)
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To: CajunConservative
Let me clarify, Potatoes Not Prozac states to go low carb during the day and eat a small potato or starch before bedtime to have the insulin release, Schwarzbein allows more carbs during throughout the day, but still limited. The book explains how all of the hormones, neurotransmitters etc, work together.
25 posted on 03/02/2004 4:58:56 PM PST by CajunConservative
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To: DameAutour
I'll ask you the same question I ask every Atkins person I encounter: How much and what type of exercise do you do?
26 posted on 03/02/2004 4:59:49 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: blackdog
Anyone who goes Atkins is insane.

Yeah... you're a real sweet guy now.

Dan
.c8

27 posted on 03/02/2004 5:01:24 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Senator Pardek
I am NOT CRABBY! SHEESH! Now leave me alone with my steak!

;-)
28 posted on 03/02/2004 5:06:17 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (Happily repopulating the midwest since 1991! #7 due in March '04)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
"I'll ask you the same question I ask every Atkins person I encounter: How much and what type of exercise do you do?"

I bitch, complain, piss and moan for 25 minutes, six days a week.

29 posted on 03/02/2004 5:14:55 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites
Sounds like you got PMS!
30 posted on 03/02/2004 5:23:11 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I'll ask you the same question I ask every Atkins person I encounter: How much and what type of exercise do you do?

1 hour three times a week, consisting of:
Bench press one warm-up set of 205 lbs, 2 sets at 255, one set 275.
12-18 minutes of stair machine.
4 sets of curls using 45 and 55 lb dumb bells.
Universal machines for other muscle groups.

Result? Prior to Atkins 240 lbs at 6' tall. No real change in weight over 3 year period. After 7 weeks "on" I have lost 15 lbs.

31 posted on 03/02/2004 5:43:46 PM PST by JOAT
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To: JOAT
You need to do more cardio.

Is this exercise plan what you're doing now, or prior to Atkins or both?

32 posted on 03/02/2004 7:12:29 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Actually it depends. I work six days a week off the farm and in good weather or summer I run once around the block. In farm turns that is a country section, 1 mile on a side. It has never been strength or cardio-fitness that concerned me. Before 9/11 when I had just one job, I also competed in the Highland Games (Scottish heavy athletics). The problem is that one of my hobbies has always been baking bread. I make mine by hand from French bread to rolls to gingerbread and crackers. I used to be shy about butter on bread but with Atkins I found it was the bread that was doing me in, not the butter. No matter how much I worked or ran I always had extra around the waist. Of course, I also ate all the bread I could. Now as I approach 40 I start to think long term. So a slimmer me is in the works.
33 posted on 03/02/2004 7:18:24 PM PST by IrishCatholic (Liberals are proof that public education has failed.)
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To: blackdog
sounds like a great new reality show......WATCH ME LOSE MY FAT AND BECOME HOMICIDAL IN THE PROCESS!!!!!!
34 posted on 03/02/2004 7:43:38 PM PST by fishbabe
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To: IrishCatholic
How strict are you on Atkins? My experience says that most people who do serious exercise tend to "modify" the diet quite a bit.
35 posted on 03/02/2004 7:55:59 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Several things:

Muscle is roughly 2x heavier than fat. So if the muscle mass is being increased, weight as the only measure is false.
Increased muscle mass also burns calories faster.
I understand cardio should vary from 20 to 60 minutes. 20 minutes gets the heart rate going, so it is good to do that first to warm up if possible.

36 posted on 03/02/2004 8:01:01 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe
Yes, I'm aware of all that -- I'm a certified fitness trainer. However, the ideal amount of cardio is 30-45 minutes at least 3x a week.
37 posted on 03/02/2004 8:06:11 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (LMDC = Major Scam!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I'm strict now because I have been only on it for three weeks. My exercise also isn't that great because of the current 10 hour days six days a week.
Once summer comes and I add in the farm work I won't be on Atkins other than to curb the bread. By then I will have lost all those years of bread around the waist. In summer I eat when I can, but it is never processed foods.
38 posted on 03/03/2004 6:51:37 AM PST by IrishCatholic (Liberals are proof that public education has failed.)
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To: Senator Pardek
Why don't they shut the f*** up! I ain't crabby! This diet didn't make me crabby! It's a bunch of friggin' crap!

;^)

39 posted on 03/03/2004 6:54:13 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Senator Pardek
"Scientists found carbohydrates help boost the production of serotonin which controls emotions and a shortage can lead to mood swings and depression."

Hogwash! I've been on atkins for over a year and there is not a darn thing WRONG WITH ME! I've never been FreaKIN HAPPIER... ummm errrr Sorry... Anyway, better to be a wee bit cranky than Obese, I suppose.

40 posted on 03/03/2004 7:03:39 AM PST by dokmad
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To: Senator Pardek
Gee, I eat lots of carbs and I'm as grouchy as anyone on this forum, dammit!
41 posted on 03/03/2004 7:04:44 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I'm 5'10 and was 232. I didn't exercise much at all. Once Atkins got me under 210, I began running again, and started lifting weights for the first time since high school. Now I do one or the other every other day. I'm currently 188.

I did the induction seriously for the first week, and lost 6 pounds. I cheated the second week, and lost 1. I started over, and lost 8 pounds the third week, and 5 pounds over the next two weeks. I'm not even sure if I'm cheating now, because Atkins has you gradually raise your carb intake to find a decent maintenance level. I'm eating a peach or apple daily, a candy bar (half of them low-carb), and allow myself a McDonald's sandwich twice per week. I'm right around 350 grams of carbs per week (as opposed to the 250 per meal I could easily do once upon a time... Kraft Mac-n-Cheese and a burger with two black cherry sodas)

42 posted on 03/03/2004 7:06:59 AM PST by Teacher317
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