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To: presidio9
I agree with just about everything in this piece.

However, I am not against this movie because I am afraid it will stir up anti-Semitism (although it might). I am against it because it is just plain insulting. I agree entirely with her statement:

"True, the film depicts an imaginatively unflattering Jewish role in Christ's crucifixion — beyond what the Gospels suggest. So yes, Mel Gibson is his father's son."

An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest, made by the son of a well-known bigot.
3 posted on 03/05/2004 1:28:55 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
Pray tell, in what light would the role of the Jews present at the time be flattering?

How is it insulting to you, since you were obviously born some 2000 years later.

Anyone who would blame a modern Jew for the death of Christ, who isn't dead BTW, has been previously influenced and bigoted anyway.

I don't know a single antisemitic person, and I've been an evangelical Christian my entire 36 years.
7 posted on 03/05/2004 1:37:15 PM PST by American_Centurion (Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime - Nicole Gelinas)
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To: Inyokern
However, I am not against this movie because I am afraid it will stir up anti-Semitism (although it might). I am against it because it is just plain insulting.

Have you seen the film, or are you basing your opinion on what people are telling you? The movie does not, in fact, present an unflattering role, "beyond what the Gospels suggest."

8 posted on 03/05/2004 1:37:38 PM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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To: Inyokern
An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest, made by the son of a well-known bigot.

Was Gibsons portrayal of Simon anti-semitic?

10 posted on 03/05/2004 1:39:45 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Inyokern
An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest, made by the son of a well-known bigot.

Well-known only because anti-Christian bigots made him famous as a means of defaming his son.

Didn't work though, B.

11 posted on 03/05/2004 1:41:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Inyokern
"An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest, made by the son of a well-known bigot.


The Passion of The Christ has brought forth all the real creeps. "anti-Christian bigots" criticising the film and M. Gibson with anti-Semetic lies and other bovin fecal matter while appearing as the phony self righteous pious liars they are.
14 posted on 03/05/2004 1:44:56 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Inyokern
Have you seen the film? It shows Jews in the Sanhedren (sp) who opposed the persecution of Jesus. The Bible does *not* show that thus your statement is flat wrong.
15 posted on 03/05/2004 1:46:03 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Inyokern
Did you actually see the movie?
18 posted on 03/05/2004 1:54:53 PM PST by thoughtomator (Political Correctness is fascism)
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To: Inyokern
An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest, .........

Since Jesus, Joseph, Mary, all of the Apostles and most of followers of Christ during his lifetime were Jews, why is it that Caiphas and his underlings are always characterized as "the Jews" instead of characterized as "The Establishment", "The Authorities", "The Roman Colaborators", "The Gubmint", "The Corrupt Local Judges", "The Mean Local Cops", "The Man", "The Bad Guys"........

I don't see Southern Baptists taking it personally when we portray Bill Clinton in an unflattering role beyond even what the Starr Report suggests.

I don't see Catholics taking it personally when Mel Brooks sings "The Inquisition Song" in his "History of the World".

......made by the son of a well-known bigot.

The old "Sins of the Father" passed down from generation to generation. Is the practice acceptable when it is applied to a Gentile?

24 posted on 03/05/2004 2:27:30 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Inyokern
Funny Inyokern, That is not what you were saying before the movie came out???now you change your story...

So you agree with this article that Jesus a Jew was a Jew Killer, does that really make sense to you??
25 posted on 03/05/2004 2:28:18 PM PST by missyme
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To: Inyokern
Hutton and Mel are both Catholics, and that's the only connection. Roman Catholicism claims knowledge of certain information about the Passion that the bare bible, and Protestants, do not.
27 posted on 03/05/2004 2:36:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Inyokern
You have just confirmed what was told me by a Jewish friend over ten years ago: "An anti-semite is not a person who hates Jews, it's a person whom the Jews hate".
31 posted on 03/05/2004 3:14:49 PM PST by waxhaw
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To: Inyokern
I agree entirely with her statement: "True, the film depicts an imaginatively unflattering Jewish role in Christ's crucifixion — beyond what the Gospels suggest.

Have you read the Gospels? Did you see the movie? If so, elaborate please.

38 posted on 03/05/2004 7:54:02 PM PST by A. Pole (The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.)
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To: Inyokern
An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest.

How specifically were the Jews portrayed so badly? Caiaphas and his cronies were the worst of the lot, but this is nothing new, neither in the cinema or in the Gospels. Herod, surely a scumbag - he was a worse sort of fairy in this one, again not completely unheard of in the movies. And what about the good Jews, John, the two Mary's, and Simon the one who helped Jesus carry the cross?
39 posted on 03/05/2004 8:02:26 PM PST by Americathy
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To: Inyokern
True, the film depicts an imaginatively unflattering Jewish role in Christ's crucifixion — beyond what the Gospels suggest.

It does? Where?

60 posted on 03/06/2004 6:55:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Inyokern
Hello, iny, long time. I see that you dropped off the face of FR for the first 2 weeks of TPOTC opening. Hmmm, coincidence?

I agree with just about everything in this piece.

As do I. Let's look at a few of the comments and let me get your view, since you brought it up:

If Jews spent less time worrying about ancient hatreds and more time worrying about the glaring contemporary ones, we wouldn't have come to a point where the legitimacy of Israel's very existence is regularly questioned and where the Jews get blamed when Muslims bomb America.

While Jews worry about things like intermarriage, a sleepy KKK, an Austrian named Haider, a second president named Bush, and now a movie about Christ, the real threats spiral out of control.


Why is it that the vast majority (90%+)of your comments in the last 8 weeks on FR have been an attack on Christianity and TPOTC, a movie detailing the events behind the Christian faith?

We've had terrorists attacks, there have been many threads about the real anti-Semites who blow up Jews, but you seem obsessed with a movie about the Christian faith, who seem to be the only friends the Jews have these days. Makes me wonder if you're even a real Jew.

The very fact that the notoriously anti-Semitic and anti-Israel New York Times took the lead a year ago in condemning Gibson's film and family should be telling.

Comments? Or, maybe you're OK with the Times since you seem to agree with their venom filled reviews. Anything that attacks TPOTC?

The elites and their media are using Mel to wash their hands of the Jewish blood they accumulated when their sympathies enabled the violence to escalate from brick-throwing at Israeli soldiers to the first suicide bombing against Israeli civilians in 1994 and all the bombings since.

Why doesn't that make you mad? Why spew your venom against the Christians? What have we ever done to you?

By going after The Passion of the Christ the media are using Jews to attack Christianity, the ultimate target of extermination by the Left and its Islamic friends.

You're fine with the media when it attacks Christians, aren't you? If we weren't around, I doubt Israel would last very long. If Christians don't turn out in droves in the next Presidential elections, the Jews might get the man they vote for (J fing Kerry) and I wonder just what pro-Israeli policies he'll pursue? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Ironic, isn't it? You've got to count on Christians to put a pro-Israeli man in the WH? If it was up to the Jews, they put in a pro Palestinian...

The feigned indignation over whether Mel Gibson is calling Jews Christ killers is transparent, not to mention ironic. Jesus was a Jew, so calling someone a "Christ killer" is essentially calling him or her a Jew killer.

And the last time I checked, the secular world doesn't have a problem with those.


The Christian world does, though. Yet that's who you attack...

Go ahead and blindly continue to support those who hate your guts and attack Christians who are the only defenders of Israel left. Kind of stupid if you ask me. There's a reason the controversy got as big as it did.

By the way, I never did thank you for continuing to stir the pot, along with foxman and the ADL. Without hatred against Christians being given voice, this movie would never have had the impact that it has had and will have.

I don't have to give you the numbers, but it will be one of the most watched movies, if not the most watched movie ever made. We owe you thanks for that.

You showing up today makes me want to go watch it a couple of more times. Wonder who else you have that effect on.

Go ahead and continue to post your anti-Christian thoughts and feelings. We thank you for it.
66 posted on 03/06/2004 8:52:10 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Inyokern
Those that call Mel Gibson's movie antisemitic remind me of the Israeli army shooting at news photographers in the middle east conflict. There will be no bad press, right or wrong.
67 posted on 03/06/2004 9:04:08 AM PST by doc
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To: Inyokern
God, you're still at this?
**yawn**
78 posted on 03/06/2004 2:22:10 PM PST by sfRummygirl ('The Purpose Driven Life' ;-))
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To: Inyokern
An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest, made by the son of a well-known bigot.

Food for thought. THe cross is a mirror that reflects back to us the very sins we need to leave there and let die. Perhaps your perceived anger against Gibson is one of those sins you need to leave there.

166 posted on 03/07/2004 12:11:27 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Inyokern
An unflattering role (for Jews) beyond even what the Gospels suggest

The movie has an unflattering role for SOME Jews beyond what the Gospels suggest.

It also has a sympathetic role for SOME OTHER Jews beyond what the Gospels suggest.

327 posted on 03/09/2004 2:53:28 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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