TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"

various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

[doug from upland]

THOMAS LIPSCOMB STORY

Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.

I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.

Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.

Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.

Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.

[Lynne]

"I want Kerry to get the nomination. I do not want the " Wicked Witch" to be brought out and dusted off at the Convention."

I would rather it be brought out now, so if Kerry goes down, there is plenty of time to deal with the new candidate. After the convention may be too late.

[wingster]

Y-A-W-N!!!

Yeah, right! If not Kerry, then Edwards? I'd rather have Kerry running. He won't win. Edwards might. Hillary won't either.

[Sender]

If nothing else, his intimate and active participation in a group, over an extended period of time, that discussed and considered such plans shows that Kerry and his bunch were ready to go way outside the law in their zeal to stop the war. Hardly a good reference for a potential POTUS.

[wingster]

Are these the "two witnesses" spoken of in Revelation! LOL :D

[Sender]

F'kincide?

[maggief]

Sorry if this is a repost:

EXCERPT

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061703.shtml

PART 3

With antiwar role, high visibility


By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff, 6/17/2003



Some Vietnam Veterans Against the War leaders also viewed Kerry as a power-grabbing elitist, a source of internal friction within the antiwar movement. "There was no question but that the rift existed," said Butler, who was with Kerry at the time and remains a close friend. "A wing of the VVAW were pushing so hard to the left that they were almost Maoist. Every time John did something useful like raise money or speak in front of the Foreign Relations Committee or give an interview, he was criticized for being a media whiz."


Scott Camil, a former group leader, said Kerry "was not as radical as some of the rest of us. He was a pretty straight shooter, and he came under criticism for things that weren't fair."


Still, Camil recalled that Kerry's patrician image was derided by others in the group, which was mostly composed of working-class veterans. Camil said Kerry showed up in ironed clothes, while most of the others were rumpled. Camil said a member had tried to reach Kerry by telephone and was told by someone, presumably a maid, that "Master Kerry is not at home." At the next meeting, someone hung a sign on Kerry's chair that said: "Free the Kerry Maid."


Kerry left the organization after about a year of participation and about five months after assuming a leadership role. Kerry says he quit partly to focus on a new organization that emphasized veterans' benefits; others say Kerry was forced out.


In fact, Kerry once again was thinking of running for the US House from Massachusetts. But unlike in 1970, when Kerry was barely known, the antiwar movement had turned him into a national figure and taught him how to campaign, how to organize, how to raise money, how to use the media, even how to debate on national television.


Kerry had battled the Viet Cong, the Nixon White House, and the extremes of the antiwar movement. Now all he had to do was persuade mostly working-class voters north of Boston to vote for him.

[Maria S]

"Think of the implications."

The only "implication" I can think of is Hillary Clinton! And I really don't think we want her in the race right now.

[Paleo Conservative]

That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

That is a conspiracy. Instead of the_______________(political office) does _________________(name of "favorite" Massachusetts politician) of Massachusetts belong in the Big House?

[Pippin]

Thanks, Mo, for the ping!

Hey MEEKIE!

Get over here and read this thread about Kerry and the Phonex Project!

Things could get really sticky for "Jean" Kerry! :O)

[eeriegeno]

--A ridiculously brief, absurdly medaled, stint in Vietnam. It looks like the "fix was in" to get him all those medals.

Since the good senator has failed to produce the documentation that authorizes his cache of medals, I have serious doubt that he actually earned them. Earning five medals in four months, without missing a day of duty for wounds, is awfully fishy? Kerry can put this suspicion of mine, and probably tens of thousands of others, to rest simply by making public his military records (just as GW Bush did). Until then, I can only assume that Kerry grabbed a handfull of his buddies' medals in DC as they were throwing them onto a pile and does not have supporting documentation that they were earned. His reluctance to produce his military records, in itself, tells me that he has something to hide.....

[savedbygrace]

That means he stayed in the meeting for the entire discussion and for the vote before he left and resigned.

[Darksheare]

Dang.
Ouch.

[Pippin]

I'm following you! HEE! HEE!

[alnick]

He'll come off looking better in the end. Bank on it.

Not unless he reported it to the Secret Service.

[OXENinFLA]

I like Massassination

[Darksheare]

This is going to be one heck of a ride this election.

[michigander]

U.S. Code
TITLE 18
PART I
CHAPTER 115
Sec. 2382. - Misprision of treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both

[Mr. Buzzcut]

We don't want his run to end. Anyone they replace him with (aside from Dean) would surely be harder to beat.

[bootyist-monk]

Doug. Don't let go of this. You are onto something huge. I assume that all of the obvious have already been emailed this link: Drudge, Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly.

If Kerry was at this meeting, and discussed the assasination of US Senators, then whether or not he agreed or resigned (even in disgust), the fact that he didn't report this, then went on to serve with the very men that his friends wanted to kill, dooms his campaign. This is a career-ending injury.

[hershey]

You have a good point. The RATS would have to come up with someone else, and we might be worse off.