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Guantanamo Britons 'Chained To The Floor And Beaten'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-13-2004 | Sandra Laville/Nick Britten

Posted on 03/12/2004 5:51:51 PM PST by blam

Guantanamo Britons were 'chained to the floor and beaten'

By Sandra Laville and Nick Britten
(Filed: 13/03/2004)

Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, was last night forced to address allegations that the American military subjected British prisoners to psychological torture and beatings during their two years of detention at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

Al- Qa'eda and Taliban suspects on their knees at the American base

Speaking for the first time since his release this week, Jamal Udeen, 37, from Manchester, outlined a brutal regime of oppression including being chained to the floor during 12-hour interrogations and having an unknown drug administered by injection.

In a separate statement, Tarek Dergoul, 26, from east London, said he had been interrogated at gunpoint, beaten and subjected to "botched medical treatment" thought to involve amputation.

The men were seized in Afghanistan in late 2001 and transferred to Cuba in hoods, blindfolds and chains that shackled them to the floor of the aircraft. Challenged about the allegations that they were beaten in the camp, Mr Powell said: "I think that unlikely . . . we don't abuse people in our care. Now it is not a resort . . . in Guantanamo Bay, but at the same time we did not abuse the individuals."

He said there were visits from the International Red Cross and the charges levied at America were not warranted.

Lt Cdr Barbara Burfeind, for the Pentagon, said all the interrogation tactics used at Guantanamo were within the standards of international law.

The allegations surfaced after a week in which the men had been released from Guantanamo, flown home, questioned by anti-terrorist police in Britain and finally reunited with their families.

Dergoul described his treatment at Guantanamo Bay as "horrific". Louise Christian, his solicitor, said the process of talking about his experiences was proving painful and difficult.

"Tarek Dergoul has started to try to give his family . . . an account of the horrific things that happened to him during detention at Bagram, Kandahar and Guantanamo Bay," she said.

"This has included an account of botched medical treatment, interrogation at gunpoint, beatings and inhuman conditions.

"Tarek finds it very difficult to talk about things and his family believe his mental health has been severely affected by the trauma."

In interviews with ITV's Tonight with Trevor McDonald and The Daily Mirror, Udeen claimed prostitutes were taken to the camp and used to degrade and insult the detainees' religious beliefs.

He alleged that men who were known to be devout or were younger and unmarried were taken from their cells to a separate unit and forced to watch the women strip.

"I knew of these practices happening about 10 times," said Udeen, from Manchester. "It seemed to be those who were very young or known to be particularly religious who would be taken away. The Americans obviously knew we wouldn't be shocked by seeing Western women, so they didn't bother.

"It was a profoundly disturbing experience for these men. They would refuse to speak about what had happened."

He also described a unit in the camp known as Extreme Reaction Force - ERF - and claimed they beat him with batons, fists and feet, shouting, "Comply, comply, comply" when he refused to have an injection of an unknown drug.

He said he was then moved to the isolation cell where bright lights were kept on throughout the night to stop him sleeping.

The father of three was discovered in a Taliban prison in Kandahar after the militia retreated from the southern Afghan city following the American bombing campaign in late 2001. He said he had been travelling in Pakistan and was in Quetta when he realised war was imminent.

Heading for Europe, he hired a local driver to take him through Iran to Turkey, not realising that the route involved crossing the border into Afghanistan.

On the Kandahar road the lorry was stopped by Taliban soldiers and he was thrown into prison in the southern city and held for three months.

When the Americans arrived in the city he was moved to an airbase, interrogated and from there transferred to Guantanamo Bay in chains.

He told the programme he was chained to the floor during 40 interrogations by the CIA, FBI and MI5 that lasted up to 12 hours a time and involved them repeatedly demanding he admit to being a terrorist.

Martin Bashir challenged him: "Have you ever had any connection with a terrorist organisation?"

"No, I think I've been asked that question for two years. The answer's still no," he replied

"Are you a terrorist yourself?" Mr Bashir said.

"Obviously not," he replied. "Or else I'd be arrested, I'd still be in Cuba or the Brits would have arrested me."

Asked if he wanted revenge, Mr Udeen said no. What he wanted was for America to acknowledge the treatment was wrong and apologise, he said. "I'd like them to be in court and admit it."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beaten; britons; chained; detainees; floor; gitmo; guantanamo
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: blam
It may be that they were chained in the airplane during that first flight. That would be standard treatment for dangerous prisoners. The rest of this is nonsense.

I expect this kind of stuff from the Independent or the Guardian, but I'm surprised to see that kind of headline in the Telegraph. They should know better.
22 posted on 03/12/2004 6:17:23 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
"I expect this kind of stuff from the Independent or the Guardian, but I'm surprised to see that kind of headline in the Telegraph. They should know better."

Yup, me too.

23 posted on 03/12/2004 6:18:34 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
know what's sad...some of Europe will take their word as Gospel..
24 posted on 03/12/2004 6:18:40 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: blam; Onelifetogive
You should read the original Mirror article. The accusations are just laughable.And throughout it, he's just Mr. Tough Guy, refusing comfort.

But the best is this (Onelifetogive pointed it out):

"When I did meet the other Brits, we would reminisce about home - particularly the food.

And just remember, Jamal is a convert. This is important for a window into his character.

26 posted on 03/12/2004 6:19:54 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Thane_Banquo
What do you mean Probably?
27 posted on 03/12/2004 6:20:17 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Cicero
Here's the Guardian's take on it:

Briton Accuses American Captors

29 posted on 03/12/2004 6:21:11 PM PST by blam
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To: Rhys Ifans
To heck with all of socialistic Europe.

I am sure that right now, there are a bunch of Spaniards that would love to volunteer at Gitmo to help with interregations.

30 posted on 03/12/2004 6:21:52 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: Rhys Ifans
Where IS Madivan? Haven't seen him around lately.
31 posted on 03/12/2004 6:21:59 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment ) TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. . .)
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To: CindyDawg
The checks in the mail.
32 posted on 03/12/2004 6:23:23 PM PST by Unicorn
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To: blam
and claimed they beat him with batons, fists and feet, shouting, "Comply, comply, comply"

Yeah, right. That's exactly what your standard American soldier from Iowa would say. UmmmHmmmm.

34 posted on 03/12/2004 6:26:18 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Where IS Madivan? Haven't seen him around lately

A while ago I heard that he had a new job that doesn't let him post anymore and/or it is keeping him too busy to do so.

Too bad, I really liked his take on the Continent. I would be really interested in what he has to say about Spain.

36 posted on 03/12/2004 6:27:01 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Everyone is stupid! That is why they do all those stupid things! -- H. Simpson.)
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To: blam
Read it straight from the horse's a$$'s mouth:

MY HELL IN CAMP X-RAY

Mar 12 2004

Mirror.co.UK: NEWSPAPER of the YEAR

WORLD EXCLUSIVE

By Rosa Prince and Gary Jones

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=14042696_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-MY%2DHELL%2DIN%2DCAMP%2DX%2DRAY-name_page.html

"Please Massa! Don't whips me no mo'! I'se jus' a po' ol' Talee-ban; I did'n' hurts no body, cept'n maybe a woman or 2. Please; jus' t'row me inta de briar patch..."

Or their editorial to reinforce it, AND to BLAME BUSH for Madrid!

"A TALE TO SHAME THE FREE WORLD"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/voiceofthemirror/

Remember, this is Mirror UK: Newspaper of the Year...so it MUST be true???

When you finish laughing yourself to death over the absurdities, just get very angry, and then remember they have a "Contact Link":

http://www.mirror.co.uk/contactus

Be creative, and have fun; their might even be a prize for best refutation sent to them

37 posted on 03/12/2004 6:29:34 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: blam
I can handle the insult to my country's morality. One expects no more from such sources.

I am really peeved, however, at the insult to our intelligence.

What is happening here is that these scum are accusing us of the usual practices of Arab law enforcement and counterintelligence services. They don't get it -- even if we were that brutal, we are not so primitive as to need such crude and inefficient methods.

Besides how crazy we we have to be to do these things with the whole anti-American internationalist establishment worldwide panting for something concrete to pin on us?

38 posted on 03/12/2004 6:29:53 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: Rhys Ifans
If you look carefully, all of his accusations are supposed to make Muslims angry. The weird ones all have to do with purity as defined by the Koran (dogs are unclean creatures).
39 posted on 03/12/2004 6:29:56 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: blam
This is quite a contrast to what those 2 boys who were released back to Afghanistan said... On of them can't wait for the chance to actually come to America.
40 posted on 03/12/2004 6:30:38 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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