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Kerry's Other War Record (John Fund of WSJ targets VVAW Assassin Plot)
Wall Street Journal ^ | March 29th, 2004 | John Fund

Posted on 03/28/2004 10:36:11 PM PST by Sabertooth

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

John Kerry mentions his service in Vietnam so frequently that it has become a running joke on the campaign press plane. He seldom if ever mentions his postwar activities as a national coordinator and principal spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a group he says he quit in 1971 because he was concerned about its radical agenda. One reason may be that a credibility gap has started to widen over his antiwar history, and he clearly doesn't want to discuss it at length. His campaign is issuing misleading and evasive statements on his antiwar service in a way that would do the Pentagon spinners of the Johnson and Nixon administrations proud.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
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To: Sabertooth
Did you see the posts about Kerry's Dick Cavett appearance? Is there a transcript?
81 posted on 03/29/2004 10:13:21 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy; cyncooper



Did you see the posts about Kerry's Dick Cavett appearance? Is there a transcript?

I missed the rebroadcast and haven't read the thread. Not sure about a transcript.

cyncooper's been following it, she may know.


82 posted on 03/29/2004 10:21:33 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
Well, why doesn't the gentleman simply ask for the files again. If he got them once, surely he could get them again.
83 posted on 03/29/2004 10:30:51 AM PST by SuzanneC
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To: Sabertooth; Shermy
I haven't seen a transcript yet.
84 posted on 03/29/2004 10:51:15 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Sabertooth
If John Kerry gets away with all this crap, that would be a travesty.
85 posted on 03/29/2004 10:52:44 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: SuzanneC
Exactly Suzanne. That is exhibit A pointing to the probability that he wants them "gone" and staying gone in order to help Kerry.

In the first article I read he wistfully sighed about them being lost to him forever. His overly dramatic handwringing while not betraying the slightest alarm that "someone" had allegedly been traipsing through his abode while he was out gave the game away right off the bat.
86 posted on 03/29/2004 10:54:06 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: ravingnutter
It turns out "Hon" was returning bannee Mojo, who has flunked probation and is back on the outside (unless he's snuck back in). Too bad! That was some good investigative work.
87 posted on 03/29/2004 11:22:12 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: cyncooper
I surfed the CSpan site- no transcript and no videofile though I believe it will be rebroadcast. Its good stuff. Pretty damning if you ask me. Kerry's chia-hair and grandeloquence are on display.

Kerry was a willing instrument in trying to make this Nixons war rather than the Kennedy-Johnson debacle that it was.

88 posted on 03/29/2004 11:33:42 AM PST by Helms (A Kennedy Man Cuckolded - Turnabout Is Fairplay)
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To: MeekOneGOP
I wonder what would happen if bush pardoned Kerry for his war crimes and for conspiracy to murder congressmen.
89 posted on 03/29/2004 11:50:51 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I wonder what would happen if bush pardoned Kerry for his
war crimes and for conspiracy to murder congressmen.

Whoa ! Now there's a thought ! I can only imagine that Bush would
catch he** over it. More than clintoon in his pardon of Marc Rich.

Or maybe not ...


90 posted on 03/29/2004 12:16:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats say they believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Sabertooth
Two months after Kansas City he represented VVAW at a speech at Dartmouth College.

In that speech, Kerry criticized Nixon for seeking an early return of POWs. That's struck me as odd for some time now.

91 posted on 03/29/2004 12:36:29 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: cyncooper; Interesting Times
O'Neill pointed out to Kerry that none of the "soldiers" who "testified" at the Winter Soldier hearing about committing atrocities would sign depositions affirming what they said.

Kerry pointed to the audience and said there was someone who came with him *from Florida* who would step forward and sign a deposition. This was not followed through on and no name was mentioned, but I immediately suspected that it was Scott Camil in the audience.

Wow! Good catch.

I nominate this for wintersoldier.com's "Key Points":

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Keys

92 posted on 03/29/2004 1:36:19 PM PST by secretagent
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To: VadeRetro
Two months after Kansas City he represented VVAW at a speech at Dartmouth College.

In that speech, Kerry criticized Nixon for seeking an early return of POWs. That's struck me as odd for some time now.

Great link. Yeah, that's most odd, and Kerry should definitely be quizzed on that.


93 posted on 03/29/2004 1:40:27 PM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: secretagent
Thanks. I integrated it into an existing "key point" as follows:

o Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges, although none of the witnesses there were willing to sign depositions affirming their claims. Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

94 posted on 03/29/2004 4:34:39 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: VadeRetro
It was superb investigative work and it is a disgrace that Hon was banned.

The spitefulness around here HURTS the ability to surface information. Now we don't get Hon's

And thanks to CYNCOOPER SABERTOOTH and others for getting such a good thing going.

Too bad more shows aren't doing Lipscomb...
95 posted on 03/29/2004 5:13:33 PM PST by Clodia Pulcher (There are more nuns in whorehouses than reporters with military experience)
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To: Sabertooth
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000392.html

Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry

Useful Fools :
Watching Those Whom Lenin Called "Useful Fools"

A Vietnam Veteran's organization has sprung up to oppose John Kerry, because Kerry used his Vietnam credentials to the benefit of the enemy in that war, which is hard to reconcile with his constant bragging about his service today. If you don't think Kerry helped the communists, go to the site of the VVAK, and also read the history of the conflict (on this blog), and read on here. Kerry helped our enemy, it's that simple! His actions are those of one who cared for his comrades but not for his nation

96 posted on 03/29/2004 6:31:11 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Interesting Times; cyncooper
Thanks IT, and thanks for wintersoldier.com.

I disagree with you on this, as before. On this part:

Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

I assume you've again relied solely on the Lewy account of the missing NIS report, which sounds weak to me.

I think it stands better as a specific independent event - cyncooper's wording.

Recently CSPAN played a June 1971 Dick Cavett show that featured a debate between John Kerry and John O'Neill.

O'Neill pointed out to Kerry that none of the "soldiers" who "testified" at the Winter Soldier hearing about committing atrocities would sign depositions affirming what they said.

Assuming that you get a transcript of the Cavett Show debate.

This underlines your strategy of demanding more verification - incredible claims require incredible proof, especially with so many proven frauds, ala Sheehan and Burkett.

The Cavett item doesn't depend on a report no one can find. And it leads right to the same point O'Neill made then. None of these guys would sign depositions affirming the truth of what they said.

Even better, it leads to a call for the WSI witnesses to release their full military records, and have someone like Burkett look them over.

97 posted on 03/29/2004 7:07:03 PM PST by secretagent
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To: PhilDragoo
As always, you said it well.
98 posted on 03/29/2004 7:07:40 PM PST by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: Pelham; Sabertooth
Regarding John Kerry and Lenin's "Useful Idiots." (If Lenin never said it, he should have.)
99 posted on 03/30/2004 5:49:58 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: doug from upland
They finally did it. A few days ago, I sent this info to a WSJ reporter with whom I have had contact. Too bad he couldn't talk about it on Drudge tonight.

The President will owe you a spot in his second administration Doug. With what you did bitch slapping Tom D and now breaking this information to the WSJ, you have to be one of GWB's MVPs.

100 posted on 03/30/2004 9:22:17 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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