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Kerry Ignores Reproaches of Some Bishops
NYT via Drudge ^ | 04.11.04

Posted on 04/11/2004 9:13:49 PM PDT by Coleus

April 11, 2004

Kerry Ignores Reproaches of Some Bishops

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

BOSTON, April 11 — Rejecting the admonitions of several national Roman Catholic leaders, Senator John Kerry received communion at Easter services today at the Paulist Center here, a kind of New Age church that describes itself as "a worship community of Christians in the Roman Catholic tradition" and that attracts people drawn to its dedication to "family religious education and social justice."

Mr. Kerry's decision to receive communion represented a challenge to several prominent Catholic bishops, who have become increasingly exasperated with politicians who are Catholic but who deviate from Catholic teaching.

Mr. Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, supports abortion rights and stem cell research, both of which are contrary to church teaching. He and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, are regular worshipers at the Paulist Center, which is near their home on Beacon Hill.

Last November, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops organized a task force headed by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington to study how the church should treat Catholic politicians like Mr. Kerry, who say they are personally opposed to abortion, for example, but support abortion rights legislatively. There has been a long line of such politicians, including Mario Cuomo, the former governor of New York, and Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice presidential candidate in 1984.

The task force has not issued any specific recommendations, but some members have discussed a range of penalties, from withholding communion to excommunication.

In a television interview today, Cardinal McCarrick indicated that depriving a Catholic of communion would be a last resort that he, for one, would be reluctant to take.

"I think there are many of us who would feel that there are certain restrictions that we might put on people" he said on the "Fox News Sunday" program. "But I think many of us would not like to use the Eucharist as part of the sanctions."

In February, the archbishop of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, warned Mr. Kerry before the Missouri primary that he would not give him communion because the senator was defying church teaching.

Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston has not explicitly said that Mr. Kerry may not receive communion, but he has suggested that Catholic politicians whose political views contradict Catholic teaching should voluntarily abstain, saying they "shouldn't dare come to communion."

There were no protesters at today's services, and it was not clear whether Mr. Kerry's receiving communion would bring a response from the church or affect his campaign as he seeks to become only the second Roman Catholic president of the United States, after John F. Kennedy.

"It was a wonderful service," Mr. Kerry told reporters afterward. As he emerged from the church, he received a sustained ovation. He shook hands with several people and posed for pictures, then ducked back into the vestibule to thank the priest.

Mr. Kerry heads to New Hampshire on Monday and expects to have several Democratic colleagues around the country join in a coordinated attack on President Bush's handling of the economy.

In an ongoing effort to make the economy the central issue in the presidential campaign, Mr. Kerry's campaign issued a so-called "misery index" today that purports to show that under Mr. Bush, the economic power of middle-class families has deteriorated at record levels.

The misery index is based on median family income, private-sector job growth, the rate of home ownership, the increase in the number of personal bankruptcies and the cost of college tuition, health care and gasoline cost.

The Kerry campaign has computed that the "misery index" in the last three years under Mr. Bush has been the worst in in three decades, with the biggest problems being the rise in college tuition (up 13 percent from 2002 to 2003), the loss of private-sector jobs, the rise in health premiums and the decline in family income.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Philosophy; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: abortionlist; cafeteriacatholic; catholic; catholiclist; cino; communion; holycommunion; kerry; newage; paulist; paulistcenter; prolife
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To: Sgt_Schultze
For sure the faithful hold that the eucharist becomes the flesh of Jesus and wine becomes his blood.

Incorrect. Catholic doctrine teaches that the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ is fully present in both species of the Eucharist.

61 posted on 04/12/2004 6:25:58 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Jim Noble
Most are silent. When Kerry is President, that will not be an option.

Sometimes I think that this is just the preparation for the final fight between good and evil as described in the book of Revelation (Apocalypse). Everybody who is alive at that time will have to take sides, no straddling the fence any longer, accept the mark of the beast or else. I'm not suggesting Kerry's election would usher the end of times, but you have to agree that everyday it is getting harder and harder not to take sides. Come soon Lord Jesus!

62 posted on 04/12/2004 7:38:03 AM PDT by Former Fetus (aren't we all?)
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To: ought-six
don't understand why you don't just have your marriage blessed. Not hard to do and would reinstate you both in full communion with the Church.
It's the difference between celebrating a "legal" marriage and a "sacramental" marriage. State laws and Church laws.
Easily rectified. Please see your priest.
63 posted on 04/12/2004 7:41:59 AM PDT by MudPuppy (Young Marines - Strengthening the Lives of America's Youth!)
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To: IrishRainy
I should have known, he's a Boston priest -- they're a different breed, I guess.>>>>

So are the Knights of Columbus in Boston

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Proof of Festival of the Dead Event at the K of C 

Festival of the Dead and Death and Rebirth
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Please, we should all e-mail the Massachusetts State Council Knights of Columbus, http://www.massachusettsstatekofc.org/ and Supreme.
 
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64 posted on 04/12/2004 9:08:15 AM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Non-Sequitur; GraceCoolidge
The 5 non-negotiable issues came from: Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics. http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp

A point: Simply because there are 5 listed does not suggest that the author of the guide proposes that there are only 5. These are the 5 at the forefront of the culture wars and which clearly are the greatest evils in the culture of death.

the apostate kerry disqualifies himself on each of the 5. IMO - he's not worthy to clean saddams toilet.

65 posted on 04/12/2004 11:04:32 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Aquinasfan
I was referring to the Eucharistic Presence of Christ--once it is there, it is there regardless of the state of mind of anyone present.
66 posted on 04/13/2004 12:31:50 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ought-six
Your marriage situation is uncomplicated. If it's the first marriage for both of you, getting it convalidated should be a simple matter. Why don't you get it straightened out?
67 posted on 04/13/2004 12:46:07 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: A.A. Cunningham
You are incorrect, in part. The bread becomes the Body of Christ; the wine becomes His Blood. The bread does not become the Blood, and the wine does not become the Body.

However, the Body and Blood are both present under both species because Christ is now alive, and his Blood is flowing in His Body. Had the Eucharist been celebrated while Christ was dead in the tomb, the Blood would NOT have been present in the host, and the Body would NOT have been present in the chalice.

68 posted on 04/13/2004 12:50:51 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Read the Council of Constance.
69 posted on 04/13/2004 7:38:44 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: dennisw
He was turned down flat

Is that a fact? I heard otherwise.

70 posted on 04/13/2004 7:41:59 AM PDT by annalex
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To: dennisw
Here, found it:

The Other Rich Mrs. Kerry

While President Bush coos over Laura, the first lady and constant wife, in every speech, his opponent traded in one multimillionaire wife—in the throes of a dark clinical depression—for another deep-pocketed woman, and then had the Roman Catholic Church annul his 18-year first marriage, throwing the couple's two children into a murky realm of illegitimacy. ...

71 posted on 04/13/2004 7:46:56 AM PDT by annalex
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To: dennisw
Kennedy family has had enough juice to get a few marriages annulled

"Juice" has nothing to do with it. Tens of thousands of marriages are annulled every year. Applicants are asked to defray the administrative costs of papering and processing the application, which seems hardly unfair, as otherwise the not inconsiderable costs would have to be funded from church assets that could be put to use elsewhere. The notion that annulments are "bought" by the rich has been a myth for at least 50 years. The scandal is not that annullments are "sold", but that so many are granted at all.

72 posted on 04/13/2004 7:58:21 AM PDT by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Romulus
The notion that annulments are "bought" by the rich has been a myth for at least 50 years. ........

Sigh. Not a myth. In Massachusetts the Kennedy clan often gets the annulments it wants. Somehow. Someway. You do the math.
73 posted on 04/13/2004 8:03:03 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: kittymyrib; Sgt_Schultze
Luther said that the Body and Blood of Christ was present 'in with and under' the bread and wine. Not that the bread and wine were symbolic, or changed to the Body and Blood. That is the difference for LCMS. It remains bread and wine, but the presence of Christ is there.
74 posted on 04/13/2004 8:23:34 AM PDT by xone
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To: dennisw
In Massachusetts the Kennedy clan often gets the annulments it wants.

"Sigh" yourself. My point is that in today's America, practically everybody gets the annulment he wants. Money no longer confers any advantage, OK?

75 posted on 04/13/2004 8:35:21 AM PDT by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Romulus
"Sigh" yourself. My point is that in today's America, practically everybody gets the annulment he wants. Money no longer confers any advantage, OK?........

Come on! Annulments are still hard to get. John Kerry tried and failed to get one before he married fellow Catholic Teresa Heinz Ketchup. IOW he didn't have as much juice as the Kennedy clan.
76 posted on 04/13/2004 8:38:22 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: dennisw; sinkspur
The fact that John Kerry's annulment was denied, with all the swell resources he has at his disposal, would seem to undercut your assertion (I won't dignify it by calling it an argument) that rick folks buy them in wholesale lots.

Annulments are still hard to get.

Are you representing yourself as an authority on Catholic marriage tribunals? Do you know how many annulments are granted every year? How many were granted 40 years ago? Do you know what percentage this represents of the total applied for? Do you know what percentage of annulments world-wide, are granted to Americans? You are out of your depth here, dealing in uninformed hearsay. If you want information about the Catholic annulment prcedure in America today, there are plenty of ways to find out, most of which are more reliable than cocktail party gossip.

77 posted on 04/13/2004 9:45:23 AM PDT by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Non-Sequitur
He didn't say anything about abortion or homosexuality and you decide those are 'inexcusable under any circumstances

Last I checked, abortion is taken care of by nothing less than the 10 commandments - i.e. that little provision about not killing. Homosexual intercourse is specifically condemned in both the old testament and in Paul's letters, which are considered to be divinely inspired texts. The fact is that the bible is clear and explicit about both. To pretend otherwise is to fib.

78 posted on 04/13/2004 10:05:57 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Romulus
My point is that in today's America, practically everybody gets the annulment he wants.

Uh, no. I know of men who quit marriage tribunals when they received death threats after turning down requests.

It is true that there are a lot of annulments granted, but there's a lot that are granted based on omissions at the time of the marriage, i.e., refusal of children, planning ahead of time not to stay married (by one party - and yes I know of more than one annulment where this was the case), addictions, etc.
79 posted on 04/13/2004 10:11:11 AM PDT by Desdemona (Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.)
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To: Desdemona
It's my understanding that well over 90% of annulment applications are routinely approved. In my book, that's "practically everybody".
80 posted on 04/13/2004 10:15:01 AM PDT by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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