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Kerry reaffirms rights to Receive Holy Communion Paterson, NJ Bishop Rodimer Agrees
The Record of Hackensack, aka The Bergen Record ^ | 04.24.04

Posted on 04/24/2004 10:58:04 PM PDT by Coleus

Kerry reaffirms rights

Saturday, April 24, 2004

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry delivered an unabashed defense of abortion rights on Friday, just hours after a top Vatican cardinal said that priests must deny Communion to Catholic politicians who support abortion rights.

Several other Catholic politicians said they, too, had no intention of altering the way they practice their religion or their politics.

With hundreds of Catholic politicians in the United States supporting abortion rights, the trans-Atlantic counterpoint was only the latest sign that the issue promises to be a recurrent one on the U.S. campaign trail this year.

"I believe that in the year 2004, we deserve a president who understands that a stronger America is where women's rights are just that: Rights, not political weapons to be used by politicians of this nation," Kerry declared at a rally with leaders of pro-choice groups mobilizing in Washington for a big march set for Sunday. "We are going to have a change in leadership in this country to protect the right of choice."

Speaking earlier from Vatican City, Cardinal Francis Arinze stopped short of saying whether it was right for Kerry to receive Communion but said a Catholic politician who supports abortion rights "is not fit" to receive the Eucharist. U.S. bishops have discretion in deciding who should receive Communion, but the cardinal's comments could put more pressure on them to sanction Catholic politicians whose positions are at odds with church teachings.

Kerry said he personally opposes abortion but supports a woman's right to choose. He did not directly respond to Arinze's comments, but campaign spokesman David Wade said Kerry believes the separation of church and state "helped make religious affiliation a non-issue in American politics."

Paterson Bishop Frank Rodimer said that he would give Kerry communion. While Rodimer remains adamant that abortion must be publicly condemned, he does not see a benefit in denying communion to a Catholic politician. "I would not make that the occasion for teaching; it is not a teaching moment," Rodimer said.

Rodimer said the proper time to have a conversation with a Catholic candidate about abortion or other spiritual matters is before Mass, not during the distribution of communion.

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt countered that Kerry's views on abortion were "outside the mainstream" and said the president "supports a culture of life."

Judie Brown, president of the anti-abortion American Life League, said it was perfectly appropriate for voters to consider a candidate's religion and the way he or she practices it in deciding how to vote. She said the group is keeping tabs on 500 Catholic politicians at the state and national level who support abortion rights.

"If you are elected to public office as a Catholic, then your fellow Catholics expect you to be Catholic," she said, calling it "hypocrisy" for Kerry to say he is personally opposed to abortion while supporting wider access to the procedure.

But Frances Kissling, president of Catholics for a Free Choice, USA, said statements such as Arinze's "debase the political campaign" and would only isolate the church from its U.S. members, most of whom she said support abortion rights.

"Every time Catholic church leaders have attacked Catholic politicians for their view on abortion, the Catholic politicians have become more popular and the church has become more marginalized," she said. "It's a very foolish strategy relative to political influence."

She added: "Do they really want to tell Senators (Edward) Kennedy, (Barbara) Mikulski, (Patrick) Leahy and 70 other members of the U.S. Congress that they can't receive Communion? Because they can't just tell this to Senator Kerry."

Sen. Edward Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat whose brother was the nation's first Catholic president, stressed that Arinze was speaking for himself, not the pope, and said he did not expect to be denied Communion despite supporting abortion rights.

"I'm a very strong believer in the separation of church and state, as President Kennedy spoke to, and I continue to follow my own beliefs and will continue to serve the people of Massachusetts," he said.

Among American Catholics, 56 percent of non-Hispanic Catholics and 59 percent of Hispanic Catholics oppose making it harder for a woman to get an abortion, according to the Pew Research Center. Support for additional restrictions increases among Catholics who attend church at least once a week, with 50 percent of non-Hispanic Catholics favoring further restrictions and 43 percent of Hispanic Catholics.

Rep. Nick Lampson, D-Texas, was criticized by Republicans recently for keeping track of the votes of Catholic members of Congress and whether they are in keeping with church doctrine. He said the vote tallies grew out of meetings by a group of lawmakers exploring their own beliefs, "knowing many of us want to bring as much of our faith as we can to our action in Congress."

"We are trying to live the teachings of our church and we try to bring that to work," he said. At the same time, he added, Catholic congressional members struggle with adhering to their faith while representing people of many religions.

"I am not here to represent the Catholic church," he said.

Last week, Kerry met privately with Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the Washington archbishop heading a task force examining whether there should be church sanctions for Catholic politicians who vote and support positions at odds with church teachings.

Bishop Raymond Burke, the archbishop of St. Louis, has said he would refuse to give Kerry Communion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
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Bishop O'Malley, would be especially guilty since the person receiving Communion would not be able to commit the sin of sacrilege without his direct help.

Then what does he do when the Paulist Center gives Kerry communion anyway? Which they will. With full press coverage.

I think O'Malley's in a tough spot (several, actually, and none of his own making). Maybe he can get the Paulists out of his diocese, but I don't know quite how he could work it, and he probably has lots to do trying to get the diocesan priests, who are under his direct authority to cooperate here. I don't see any grounds for the civil authorities to get involved in any attempt of O'Malley's to physically remove the Paulists.

41 posted on 04/25/2004 6:47:56 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Coleus
"I would not make that the occasion for teaching; it is not a teaching moment,"

. . .how about this Bishop just accepting that it is a 'moral moment' that defines and honors the Churches teachings; otherwise; what is the point of anyone not availing themselves?

Liberals, like everywhere else in our culture, continue to debase the 'good' by their escape in a moral relativism.

John Kerry IS a Catholic - just depends on the meaning of 'is'. . .and maybe by now; the meaning of 'Catholic'. . .

42 posted on 04/25/2004 6:49:45 AM PDT by cricket (Terrorists are weapons of mass destruction. . .)
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To: Coleus
a bump and a correction. . .'Church's'. . .
43 posted on 04/25/2004 6:51:45 AM PDT by cricket (Terrorists are weapons of mass destruction. . .)
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To: Coleus
"Kerry said he personally opposes abortion but supports a woman's right to choose."

That is about as vacuous as saying "Hey, I personally oppose slavery but I support your right to own one."

44 posted on 04/25/2004 7:01:08 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: NYer
The accomplice in wholesale abortion is his own Principle Agent guilty under Canon 1329.2. There is no way out for him.
45 posted on 04/25/2004 7:39:41 AM PDT by m4629
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To: Coleus
Unfortunately Rodimer is my bishop. Bishop as one of your flock, if you're reading this please
SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
46 posted on 04/25/2004 7:58:11 AM PDT by Michael_S
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To: Coleus
Bishop Frank J. Rodimer acknowledged this week that he waited too long to talk about the issue of child abuse by priests, and he acknowledged his own mistakes. He has spent the last month visiting going to parishes where James T. Hanley, an accused child molester, had worked as a priest. Rodimer, bishop of the Paterson Diocese since 1978, confronted angry people at those meetings. One man asked him to resign. Others asked him pointed questions about why he allowed Hanley to continue working as a priest for years after he learned knew about allegations of child abuse.
47 posted on 04/25/2004 8:08:34 AM PDT by John Thornton
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To: Numbers Guy
During the 1960's the church refused to provide Eucharist to segregationists in Louisiana. Someone should ask Kerry if that was an improper action by church officials.

Excellent point. Rodimer is a fool. He will occupy a lower circle of hell than Kerry, but they will be in hailing distance of each other.

Barring, of course, Rodimer and KErry getting knocked off their horses on the way to Damascus.

48 posted on 04/25/2004 8:18:30 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (geez, how come this seems so straight-forward and logical to me......)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
While he's at it, why doesn't he just reaffirm his "right" as a good Catholic to worship Satan, steal stuff he wants, screw around on his wife and torture puppies?

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

49 posted on 04/25/2004 8:51:01 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Dwight Eisenhower: "I will go to Korea." John F. Kerry: "I will go to Paris.")
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To: spyone; et al
Rodimer can use a little dose of freeperdom....

shepherd@patersondiocese.org

This is his email address according to that diocese's newspaper.

Here is a copy of what I just sent to that address:

You said that in your diocese you would not refuse Kerry communion. Then for all your talk in your editorial about the "Risen Christ" you show by your actions you really don't believe much. Anyone who would feed Holy Communion to a pig and apostate like Kerry shows by his actions he doesn't respect the "Risen Christ."

You said refusing someone communion in church was not an opportunity to "Teach." Well, you've "taught" _PRACTISING_ Catholics in the pews that pro-abortion politicians can blackmail the church into bowing down to apostates. You've given us cause to wonder if you are hiding further scandals that they can blackmail you with. Are you a practising homosexual or something that you are in fear of Kerry and his ilk? You act like it.

What's it going to take for you spineless bishops, the alleged shepherds of the flock for you to get the message that we want bishops with true convictions and not lip service to the REAL faithful? Do we all need to start writing checks to our parishes for the amount of FIVE CENTS with a note in the memo line that the donation will NOT increase until we get bishops who start acting like bishops?

DO we need to forward copies of our checks to the Papal Nuncio in Washington, and to the Vatican itself until you stop acting like butt-buddies of the pro-abortion politicians? Will THAT get your attention? Do you need your own faculties suspended? What's it going to take?

50 posted on 04/25/2004 9:03:42 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (geez, how come this seems so straight-forward and logical to me......)
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To: Coleus
We're going to all be Muslims before long. First the Pope turns a blind eye to the priests who have been proven child molestors. Then the Episcopal church in in turmoil when a openly gay priest marries and for his efforts is named a Bishop. Now Kerry's soul isn't the business of the Church and priests and Bishops are going against the Vatican. Is it any wonder the Religion of Peace has found a new homeland?
51 posted on 04/25/2004 9:08:59 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Coleus
off Catholic Ping thanks.. too many e-mails
52 posted on 04/25/2004 9:41:27 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (What is behind and what is before is irrelevant compared to what is within)
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To: Coleus
btt
53 posted on 04/25/2004 10:00:31 AM PDT by Cacique
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To: Coleus; jmstein7; All
If Kerry shows no respect for the authority of the Catholic Church; how can Americans trust him to show respect for any another authority; for example....the U.S. Constitution?
54 posted on 04/25/2004 10:05:49 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: Numbers Guy
That's what makes Kerry's whole church-state rap hilarious. First, he says that while he is obedient to Church teachings in private, they should not affect his public policy. But then, he turns around and decides that obedience to Church teaching in his own spiritual life doesn't matter either, in taking Communion!

Disgraceful.
55 posted on 04/25/2004 10:27:24 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Coleus
And now Kerry speaks for the church. Maybe he would like to run for Bishop also! What a jerk this guy is.
56 posted on 04/25/2004 10:29:18 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: maryz
Then what does he do when the Paulist Center gives Kerry communion anyway? Which they will. With full press coverage.

This already happened two weeks ago, at Easter Mass.
57 posted on 04/25/2004 10:31:36 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: nickcarraway
Like, how serious was the Lord when he handed down that one? I mean, times have changed. Do you think he changed his mind on it. Certainly someone as influential as John Kerry would be given an exception by God, don't you think?
58 posted on 04/25/2004 10:32:16 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: JulieRNR21
If Kerry shows no respect for the authority of the Catholic Church; how can Americans trust him to show respect for any another authority; for example....the U.S. Constitution?

Because America's been bigoted against Catholics since before its inception? As the book title goes, it's the last acceptable prejudice.
59 posted on 04/25/2004 10:33:08 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
The Seperation of Curch and State was also practiced by King Herod if I recall...
60 posted on 04/25/2004 10:37:02 AM PDT by WritableSpace
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