Kerry reaffirms rights to Receive Holy Communion Paterson, NJ Bishop Rodimer Agrees

The Record of Hackensack, aka The Bergen Record ^ | 04.24.04

[Coleus]

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[spyone]

Here we go! A new precedent!

[Coleus]

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A Primer on Canon 915 Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion

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[lainde]

These gutless priests are disgusting. I don't remember any nuanced, flip-flopping over moral issues when I was in school. Furthermore, setting a "bad example" was a big deal. Times have certainly changed.

[spyone]

Adios psycho!

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Several other Catholic politicians said they, too, had no intention of altering the way they practice their religion or their politics.

With hundreds of Catholic politicians in the United States supporting abortion rights, the trans-Atlantic counterpoint was only the latest sign that the issue promises to be a recurrent one on the U.S. campaign trail this year.

I think these guys may be wandering into quicksand. We live in dangerous times, and I sense the voters are in no mood for self-serving BS from those who would lead us.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"Paterson Bishop Frank Rodimer said that he would give Kerry communion. While Rodimer remains adamant that abortion must be publicly condemned, he does not see a benefit in denying communion to a Catholic politician. "I would not make that the occasion for teaching; it is not a teaching moment," Rodimer said."

What in the hell is he talking about? Really. Does this sound ANYTHING like Catholic teaching? Well given this and similar stupid comments from other bishops I am lead to believe that we can expect nothing good to come of the task force that will be advising the bishops how to deal with pro-choice politicians.

The Catholic Church in American is OVER. The bishops are caving on abortion, indirectly they are caving.

[cpforlife.org]

perty much what I was expectin'

If the Pope himself flew to DC and did a fire and brimstone on this, w/ kerry, kennedy, & co. in the front pew I don't think they would care.

They are agents of Satan and should be excommunicated.

Archbishop Rummel excommunicated Louisiana politicians in the 60's over racism. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/905691/posts

For crying out loud how much worse is state sanctioned genocide.

[Numbers Guy]

Kerry believes the separation of church and state "helped make religious affiliation a non-issue in American politics."

Being told he can't accept communion has nothing to do with church and state. It's purely a church issue. The church chooses not to give the Eucharist to someone who publicly refuses to follow church teachings.

During the 1960's the church refused to provide Eucharist to segregationists in Louisiana. Someone should ask Kerry if that was an improper action by church officials.

[spyone]

no...somebody should ask the church, what has changed?

[cpforlife.org]

From open email I recieved:

Dear Friends,

Now that the Vatican has made it clear, will bishop O'Malley
finally become a good shepherd and issue an edict that if
John Kerry presents himself for Holy Communion, he MUST
be refused?

If Bishop O'Malley allows Holy Communion knowingly to a
person in the state of mortal sin, both he and John Kerry are guilty of direct material cooperation in the sinful act.

Bishop O'Malley, would be especially guilty since the person receiving Communion would not be able to commit the sin of sacrilege without his direct help.

My view is that Bishop O'Malley and the rest of the American bishops with the exception of Archbishop Burke of St. Louis and Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln Nebraska will continue ignoring Canon Law and be silent on this issue.until after the elections in November.

They know that without the Catholic vote, child killing Kerry is dead meat and it would be the death knell of the Democratic Party.The Catholic pro-abortion politicians, who by the way, run the "Party of Death" have sold their souls to the devil for political gain and power.

We shall see if the bishops have also sold their souls now that the Vatican had to interpret Canon Law for them.

Would you believe that the American bishops had to call for a meeting to determine what to do with pro-abortion Catholic politicians. The even said they may not reach a conclusion until after the elections

Why, when it is in black and white in Canon Law 915, which a ten year old would have no problem understanding?
After awhile this affinity the bishops have with the "Party of Death" becomes sickening.

For once, I hope and pray the bishops put the lives of children first and politics last. Is this really asking too much from them when the Catholic pro-abortion politicians really should be excommunicated for their heresy?


Frank Joseph MD

DFjosephMD@aol.com
www.hometown.aol.com/dfjoseph/abortion.html



64 posted on 04/24/2004 4:15:44 PM CDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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[Numbers Guy]

Archbishop Rummel excommunicated Louisiana politicians in the 60's over racism

Beat me to it. But it's an excellent point to raise with the liberal so-called Catholics these days.

[BradyLS]

I'll tell you what offends me. Those sanctomonious, finger-in-the-air poses Kerry makes all the time that are reproduced in the press.

Right hand raised, finger pointing upward, eyes looking upward... Like he's some sort of saint himself. He's got all his Clinton moves down.

[Sareln]

Nothing has changed. I go to a catholic high school in California and the penalties for students who advocate any sort of abortion or "brag" about having one are severe. At the same time, historically American Catholics apparently have been more liberal in their interpretations of church doctrine. This pushes close to heresy.
They will all burn anyways.
At the same time, if the Vatican were to issue excommunications for John Kerry and his ilk, it would be massive disruption to catholic democrats, if any exist, while strengthening the conservatives. This inaction is damaging.

[dixie sass]

The Paulist Center is where he took Communion - this is a short history of the Center.

The Paulist Center attracts Catholics uncomfortable with some of the Vatican's orthodox teachings or who otherwise feel alienated from the Roman Catholic Church.

The congregation includes gay couples, whose adopted children are baptized there, unlike in some other Boston parishes. In November, its leaders refused to read aloud during Mass from a letter opposing gay marriage, as requested by the Massachusetts bishops.

The congregation is not geographical, but ideological, drawing people from as far as away as New Hampshire, said Drew Deskur, the center's music director and a parishioner for 25 years.

"It's not St. Around-the-Corner," Deskur said. "It's an intentional community that draws people from all over Boston. It tries to make sure that everyone feels welcome and that everyone participates in the liturgy."

The Archdiocese of Boston "does not hold to the practice of publicly refusing Communion to anyone," said archdiocese spokesman Rev. Christopher Coyne. He said it was up to the individual to decide whether to receive Communion.

In the days before Kerry attended Easter Mass at the Paulist Center, staff members received threatening phone calls and e-mails from Catholics who believed the senator should be denied Communion.

Coyne said he also received many letters and angry calls from concerned Catholics about Kerry's ability to take Communion. He said he contacted the Paulist Center ahead of time to ensure there would be no problem when the senator received the Eucharist.

The chapel celebrates Mass and can conduct every sacrament except marriage.

The center does not resemble a traditional church, but is housed among a row of brownstones. A band plays during worship, and the lyrics are projected onto the wall above the pulpit so parishioners can sing along.

Kerry joined in the singing from his pew near the back Saturday night. His wife was out of town, so he attended alone with several reporters and staff in tow.

Founded in 1970, the church is located within the Archdiocese of Boston and operates with the permission of the bishop. The center, however, is financially independent and has a history of reaching out to marginalized Catholics.

The Paulist Center began a support group for divorced Catholics that has since been replicated in churches across the country. The center also hosts a group for bisexual, gay and lesbian Catholics, as well as a program for lapsed Catholics who are considering a return to the flock.

The center helped launch the Walk for Hunger, a now annual fund-raiser for soup kitchens across the region, and has held funeral Masses for homeless people who die without family or loved ones.

[Sareln]

He called ahead to make sure there wouldn't be any problems with him taking Communion?!? Jeeze, evidence the whole thing was set up...

[spyone]

Mel Gibson bad..John Kerry good.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

You would think these politicians were Nazi's they way the bishops cringe at the thought of doing anything to tick them off. The only people most bishops have the courage to stand up to is those Catholics who just want orthodox liturgies, orthodox catechesis and their little boys left unmolested.