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CITY GIVES TENTATIVE OK FOR MUSLIM PRAYER CALLS - HAMTRAMCK, MICHIGAN
Detroit Free Press ^ | 21 April 2004 | CECIL ANGEL, Staff Writer

Posted on 04/27/2004 11:04:56 AM PDT by Robert Drobot

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:13:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Hamtramck City Council gave initial approval Tuesday night to allowing mosques in the city to broadcast the Muslim call to prayer over loudspeakers.

The issue, which has divided many of the city's Muslim and Christian residents, has attracted national attention and has evolved from a debate about a noise ordinance to one about religious freedom and tolerance.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abuse; aclu; churchandstate; churchbells; control; government; hamtramck; islam; muslimamericans; muslimcontrol; prayer; publicprayer
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The pattern is the same. Muslims are respectful only where they are the minority. In the majority, they will impose their heathen false doctrine and drive out the minority.

Theirs is not a religion of peace. It demands submission with an iron fist when it controls a nation. Today they have forced their false god upon the Christians remaining in Hamtramck, Michigan. How many Muslims are in your city?

I wonder what Karol Jozef Wojtyla was thinking when he chose to pay homage to the Muslim faith by kissing the Koran? How much has that act smothered the pride of Polish people ( Roman Catholics ) who where once the majority of this city?

The once unchangeable bastion of Christianity has become mere putty in the hands of the Muslim religion.

1 posted on 04/27/2004 11:04:58 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
Just curious... suppose I want to have a loudspeaker that says "Allah Sucks" five times a day... would that be OK too?
2 posted on 04/27/2004 11:08:09 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Robert Drobot
Dhimmi alert.
3 posted on 04/27/2004 11:08:25 AM PDT by victoryatallcosts
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To: Antoninus; apologia_pro_vita_sua; attagirl; barbcsr; Canticle_of_Deborah; Catholicguy; dakine; ...
Muslim iron fist ping.
4 posted on 04/27/2004 11:08:42 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Thanks for the ping!
5 posted on 04/27/2004 11:10:09 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Robert Drobot
And no praying at VMI.
6 posted on 04/27/2004 11:11:25 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Robert Drobot
Next will be imposing Islam on you.
7 posted on 04/27/2004 11:12:08 AM PDT by JamesA ( The more you try to change my convictions the more resolved I am to keep them.)
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To: Robert Drobot
has attracted national attention and has evolved from a debate about a noise ordinance to one about religious freedom and tolerance.



Right. Tolerance for muSLIMES. Christians, however, best not get caught saying a prayer or broadcasting a prayer where any of a thousand stanic, special iterests might be offended by hearing them.

The GOD of Abraham is the only God. The council that allows muSLIME calls to prayer will be JUDGED!
8 posted on 04/27/2004 11:13:43 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Troublemakers deserve the righteous ZOT!)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States."

This will remain their mantra until they win everywhere.
9 posted on 04/27/2004 11:14:25 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Go Toomey Go!!!)
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To: Robert Drobot
I wonder how this will play out. I'm not really sure if there is a constitutional impediment to allowing the loudspeakers to broadcast the call to prayer. I think this will probably end up being solved in the political arena.
10 posted on 04/27/2004 11:15:57 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States."

This says it all. Beware.

11 posted on 04/27/2004 11:16:28 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Just curious... suppose I want to have a loudspeaker that says "Allah Sucks" five times a day... would that be OK too?



I recommend ALL Christian churches (if you ARE christian, that is)immediately install loudspeakers which proclaim, seven times daily, thet the GOD of Abraham, Issac and Joseph is the One True GOD.

Any Christian "Ministers" reside in this town? Fight like your God intends or loose your souls.
12 posted on 04/27/2004 11:16:59 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Troublemakers deserve the righteous ZOT!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States."

They try that in MY TOWN, and MY TOWN will be the Pioneer City for showing the rest of the YELLOW-BELLIES how to rid the town of roaches, satanists and muSLIMES.
13 posted on 04/27/2004 11:18:57 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Troublemakers deserve the righteous ZOT!)
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To: Robert Drobot
Personally, I think that the Christians in that city should ALL band together, and pick one church to ALSO go to the city council and say that the church members desire their church bells to ring five times a day as a call to faith for today's Believers, etc. Or (if they have no bells) then they should request to be able to play over their speakers, AMAZING GRACE or some other old hymn, five times a day for the same reason. How can that city refuse without facing a lawsuit? Where are the Christians in this city? Where are the "church leaders"? They should all take a stand together!
14 posted on 04/27/2004 11:21:49 AM PDT by Reborn
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To: BigBobber
AMEN! Hamtramck = slippery slope
15 posted on 04/27/2004 11:22:16 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: victoryatallcosts
Dhimmi alert.

Dhimmi was the name applied by the Arab-Muslim conquerors to indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination.

The thumbprint of Islam has been imposed on Hamtramck, Michigan. Will Detroit next fall? It has a majority population of heathens.

16 posted on 04/27/2004 11:23:36 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot
The argument that broadcasting calls to prayer on loudspeakers is the Islamic tradition is inaccurate on its face, considering loudspeakers have only been around for, arguably, 70 years. As best I understand it, Islam did just fine for itself in the 13 centuries before the invention of loudspeakers.

And besides all that, do devout muslims, the ones who actually attend mosque, really need someone to tell them when to come to prayer? None of them has a watch...?

I just don't understand how this minority's right to make a racket as they freely practice their religion trumps the larger community's right not to be bothered by it.



17 posted on 04/27/2004 11:24:07 AM PDT by Gefreiter
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To: Robert Drobot
Call 1-877-why-islam ask the muslims why they force this on us!! This is for real. I called and asked about Islams bloody borders, the shemale who answered said why do Christians and Jews murder and hung up on me.
18 posted on 04/27/2004 11:24:49 AM PDT by Coroner
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To: Iron Matron
Maybe they'll rename the town "HAMAStramck". In any case, here's one town that won't have to worry about a 9-11 type incident.
19 posted on 04/27/2004 11:24:54 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Robert Drobot
If the Muslime call to prayers ever starts being blared over loudspeakers in Atlanta, I am afraid you all will be reading about my response in the next days paper.

NOT gonna have it. Not ever.
20 posted on 04/27/2004 11:25:13 AM PDT by spodefly (A 7mm intellect in a .284 caliber world, or something.)
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To: Modernman
I wonder how this will play out. I'm not really sure if there is a constitutional impediment to allowing the loudspeakers to broadcast the call to prayer. I think this will probably end up being solved in the political arena.

What do you suppose Kerry will say about this over the next five days?

My guess is he'll have five different and conflicting responses!!!

21 posted on 04/27/2004 11:28:59 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States."

Sure, its a pioneer city, but I can't imagine that the Muslim residents will allow it to remain named Hamtramck for very much longer. Any guesses on what it will be known as in the future?

22 posted on 04/27/2004 11:29:15 AM PDT by grellis (Mi sento male. Ho fatto un'indigestione!)
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To: grellis; pawdoggie
pawdoggie knows!!
23 posted on 04/27/2004 11:31:15 AM PDT by Coroner
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To: Robert Drobot
Muslims say that its freedom of religion and is a part or their faith

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam

Egypt -Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

24 posted on 04/27/2004 11:31:24 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Robert Drobot
This is just another example of whats wrong in this country! Tell me will they allow Christians to pray on the speakers as well. Whats next Muslims are allowed to pray at high school football games!
25 posted on 04/27/2004 11:31:43 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: GLSchnJR
The pathetic ACLU is hiding out on this one. They are only interested in kicking Christian asz.
26 posted on 04/27/2004 11:35:04 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Coroner; pawdoggie
Could be...but how about Hamas al-tramiq?
27 posted on 04/27/2004 11:35:10 AM PDT by grellis (Mi sento male. Ho fatto un'indigestione!)
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To: Robert Drobot
Time for City residents to vote in a new council!
28 posted on 04/27/2004 11:38:38 AM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 - STAMP OUT (KERRY) SOCIALISTS.)
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To: GLSchnJR
Tell me will they allow Christians to pray on the speakers as well.

By granting an exception to the noise ordinance to a mosque, the city council is now pretty much required to give an exception to any other religious organization.

Whats next Muslims are allowed to pray at high school football games!

Everyone is free to pray to their heart's content at high school football games.

29 posted on 04/27/2004 11:40:00 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Smartass
The heathens are in the majority.
30 posted on 04/27/2004 11:40:50 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Modernman
Well, looking on the bright side, this should make it a lot easier to get an eruv put up in Hamtramck.
31 posted on 04/27/2004 11:41:36 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Robert Drobot
Words fail me.... Where are we headed?? Lord, God of Abraham, help us and our children....
32 posted on 04/27/2004 11:41:57 AM PDT by momfirst
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To: Robert Drobot
Muslims have come to the city from Bangladesh, Yemen, Pakistan and other Islamic countries

So round them up and export them to an Islamic land.

33 posted on 04/27/2004 11:41:58 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Robert Drobot
Sounds to me like the council caved on this out of fear of a lawsuit that would bankrupt the city. Ten bucks says this loudspeaker gets "vandalized" quite often.
34 posted on 04/27/2004 11:48:57 AM PDT by landorepub
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To: Modernman
By granting an exception to the noise ordinance to a mosque, the city council is now pretty much required to give an exception to any other religious organization.

Notching this up a click would you want to live in a city where overriding noise in a foreign tongue ( saying God knows ( the One True One ) what would be blasting into your daily conversation along with quotes from Scripture.

To be 'PC' Scripture would necessarily refain from the use of verses about false prophets and false Gods - to meet ACLU guidelines.

35 posted on 04/27/2004 11:50:30 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Reborn
Where are the Christians in this city? Where are the "church leaders"? They should all take a stand together!



Sounds like there aren't any. Thats OK. When this becomes a muSLIME state and we have to "put down" insurgents and terror groups from within, at least no christians will be collateral damage.

I warn Michigan and it's HIGH POPULATION of muSLIMES:

The rest of the USA. WILL NOT, I mean WILL NOT ALLOW. WE WILL NOT ALLOW ISLAM TO OVERPOWER OUR PEOPLE! You found a place with yellow-belly people who give only lip service to the Christian God. Elsewhere, HIS NAME is called and HE the ALPHA, THE OMEGA, HE, THE ONE TRUE GOD - LISTENS.
36 posted on 04/27/2004 11:50:36 AM PDT by Iron Matron (Troublemakers deserve the righteous ZOT!)
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To: Robert Drobot
Notching this up a click would you want to live in a city where overriding noise in a foreign tongue ( saying God knows ( the One True One ) what would be blasting into your daily conversation along with quotes from Scripture.

Nope. I think the politicians here pretty much screwed themselves. From now on, they'll be hardpressed to turn down any request for exceptions to the noise ordinance. If they'd been smart, they should have said no exceptions for anyone.

37 posted on 04/27/2004 11:57:05 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Iron Matron
I warn Michigan and it's HIGH POPULATION of muSLIMES:

Michigan is about 4% Muslim. Hardly what I'd call a high population.

38 posted on 04/27/2004 12:03:29 PM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Robert Drobot
It spells trouble When their in the majority. I'm sure
they are being closely observed.
39 posted on 04/27/2004 12:05:28 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 - STAMP OUT (KERRY) SOCIALISTS.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Ohmigosh! What a travesty! The US with a foundation of Christianity being replaced with islamic fanaticism.
40 posted on 04/27/2004 12:08:53 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Robert Drobot
Could Detroit get worse? Seriously, would the invasion of Islam make Detroit a less hosptiable place?
41 posted on 04/27/2004 12:16:44 PM PDT by freeasinbeer (If you're not liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not conservative by 40, you have no brain.)
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To: lilylangtree
It is time to heed 2 Chronicles 7:14: If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and change their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and forgive them and heal their land.
42 posted on 04/27/2004 12:17:09 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Modernman
Michigan is about 4% Muslim. Hardly what I'd call a high population

OK Modernman: HAMTRAMCK and it's high population of muSLIMES.

Have a nice day.
43 posted on 04/27/2004 12:17:59 PM PDT by Iron Matron (Troublemakers deserve the righteous ZOT!)
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To: Robert Drobot
The Muslims already have their town,it's called Dearborn. Leave "Poletown" alone!
44 posted on 04/27/2004 12:20:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lilylangtree
Ohmigosh! What a travesty! The US with a foundation of Christianity being replaced with islamic fanaticism


I'm sure that socialists, democrats and satanists find it very amusing. Which one are you?
45 posted on 04/27/2004 12:21:01 PM PDT by Iron Matron (Troublemakers deserve the righteous ZOT!)
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To: Robert Drobot
Great. So does this mean street corner preachers can start using a broadcasting system too?
46 posted on 04/27/2004 12:22:07 PM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: Coroner
Call 1-877-why-islam

PLEASE tell me your joking.
47 posted on 04/27/2004 12:27:56 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: Robert Drobot
The petrol dollars flow in to the large Arab Muslim lobby groups...and the politicans line up
at the trough....its our leaders who are selling us out to the muslims....and mexicans....

for campaign cash and votes

imo
48 posted on 04/27/2004 12:28:01 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Iron Matron
Didn't mean to sound amusing. I'm 100% red-blooded all American Christian. And you?
49 posted on 04/27/2004 12:30:39 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: joesnuffy
Correct you are.
50 posted on 04/27/2004 12:31:59 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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