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After Win, Specter Looks To Fall Election (already distancing himself from Bush)
Associated Press | April 29, 2004 | Lara Jakes Jordon

Posted on 04/29/2004 6:27:24 AM PDT by Russ

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To: Russ
Is Specter going to lose the upcoming election? I mean, almost half the Republicans voted against him, and does he really expect the Democrats to vote for him when they can vote for a real Democrat?
361 posted on 04/29/2004 8:58:34 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: Solson
I was a big Toomey supporter. Still dissapointed, but in retrospect I think Toomey winning a 51% primary would have been worse for the Repubs...

As far as Specter, I think he, IF (the big IF) can be a big help to Bush if he'll play along. Meaning, if Bush pushes him to vote yes on a conservative SC nominee, Specter might be able to help Bush MORE than a conservative Toomey could, bc in politics perception counts for a lot.

maybe I'm just rationalizing.
362 posted on 04/29/2004 9:51:37 PM PDT by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: Solson; HamiltonJay; The kings dead
Specter Victory Credited to Bush
363 posted on 04/29/2004 10:02:09 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: MplsSteve
so what rock did you crawl out from under? or did someone ping you to this thread because they had their feelings hurt? you come onto this tread and flame me. so whats your position or can't you defend yourself. only throw names like a little dashle...
364 posted on 04/30/2004 5:24:26 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: MplsSteve
you must be one of those babykilling, specter trolls.

too bad your mom couldn't have had an abortion.

a traitor is someone who goes against something they believe. I never believed in specter. he's a closet(untilnow) democrat just like you. If you can't understand my positions I feel sorry for you.

Specter is a self-hating, liberal piece of sh*t and will stab GWB in the back the first chance he gets.
365 posted on 04/30/2004 5:39:44 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: Terpfen
So it's the certainty of a pro-abort chairing the committee if Specter wins versus the possibility of a pro-abort chairing the committee if Specter loses.

Yes, even though abortion has nothing to do with the Judiciary Committee. I don't like it either, but Pennsylvanians voted the way they did.

Pennsylvanians have one more vote to cast on the subject.

366 posted on 04/30/2004 5:57:23 AM PDT by The kings dead (O.C.-Old Cracker:"It's time for some of our freedoms to get curtailed for the sake of the Republic.")
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To: The kings dead
Pennsylvanians have one more vote to cast on the subject.

yes , a protest vote FOR Hoeffel, God, it still sends a shiver down my spine to think of voting for a DEM.
367 posted on 04/30/2004 6:09:21 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: Terpfen
just wondering is "Terpfen" stand for "turtle on a fence"

this is no jab at you, I know of a saying

"if you see a turtle on a fencepost you know someone put it there"

just wondering ;o)
368 posted on 04/30/2004 6:12:40 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: MplsSteve
Specter is a self-hating, liberal piece of sh*t and will stab GWB in the back the first chance he gets.

posted to MplsSteve
365 posted on 04/30/2004 8:39:44 AM EDT by gdc61

oops, he already did, didn't he!!!

369 posted on 04/30/2004 6:53:19 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: All
Well, I decided to sleep on this for a few days so I could think it over and no one would accuse me of having a knee-jerk reaction.

First off, my fellow freepers, let me state for the record that I have no problem backing true "moderate" Republicans for the Senate over a socialist Democrat. While they are not my first choice, I would have no problem voting for several "moderates" running for the senate right now if/when they have won the primary -- including Shelby in AL, Grassley in Iowa, Voinvoich in Ohio, Nethercutt in WA, Howard Mills in NY, Jack Orchulli in CT, probably even McCain in Arizona. In each of these cases, none of the individuals are known as good conservatives and I would DEFINITELY prefer someone else in the primary...but in the general, they do support the party the MAJORITY of the time and would be far better than their screwy far-left opponents.

Also, I've had to hold my nose and vote for several "moderates" in Illinois, including pro-abort Republicans that won the primary. A lot of people were complaining back in 2002 when we had a pro-abortion Republican for the Secretary of State nominee. However, I pointed out that nobody bothered to run against her in the primary so it was our own fault that we were stuck with her. And that candidate (Kris Cohn), was solidly pro-gun, pro-traditional marriage, cutting waste, etc. Even on the abortion issue, she was against partial-birth and tried to extend an olive branch to pro-life voters by promising that she would support "Choose Life" license plates and not force her pro-abort views on other Republicans. Her opponent was an ultra-corrupt Chicago machine hack. I voted for Kris. I also supported Jim Edgar for Governor twice, and he was pro-abortion, nowhere near as conservative as his primary opponent. Edgar basically personified what people CLAIMED Arnold was in California -- a hard-core "fiscal conservative". Mayor Daley hated him because he cut off Chicago's funding several times over an airport battle. During Edgar's term he was known as "Governor No" because you could not this guy to sign ANY legislation for state funding unless it was absolutely necessary. Again, far better than his RAT opponent, who was a spendthrift and had extreme anti-death penalty views as well.

Third, I am definitely not a "sore loser" type who throws a temper tantrum if the candidate I worship gets elimated in the primary. I was pretty bitter when John Sununu's supporters (most of whom are the real "purist" Republicans who don't mind if someone with an "R" votes like Hillary but find it UNFORGIVEABLE if a conservative changes his registation to "Independent" for a few weeks and STILL votes conservatives) defeated Bob Smith. I was angry that we had lost a great conservative and I absolutely HATED many of Sununu's backers here for personal reasons. Still, between Sunun and Shaheen, Sununu was an outstanding conservative. I strongly supported John over Shaheen and I would do it again in a heartbeat. Also, no one on this forum was more upset than me when the old yellow-dog "conservative" Dixiecrats on this forum ran around backing Mark Warner for Governor of VA because THEY had a personal grudge against Republican Mark Earley. These disgusting disruptors claiming to be "freepers" actively PROMOTED a pro-abortion socialist RAT over a solidly pro-life Republican candidate and then had the gall to claim everyone voting pro-life was a "statist" and a "marxist". They bashed Earley for being weak on guns and heaped praise on the 100% anti-gun LP and DEM candidates. They completely shredded Earley for having ties to the NAACP -- then PROMOTED an lifelong NAACP member for mayor a few weeks later (these Dixiecrats are so consistent in their "principles", eh?) and they tarred Earley as being "anti-southern" even though their boy Warner wasn't even FROM Virgina and could care less about the state's culture and history. And they claimed Warner was "more conservative" and wanted to "cut spending" even though he was an old school Clinton liberal who says anything to get elected. In any case, I am still irate over these RINOs and I would be glad to remind them of all the taxpayer funded abortions and state fees that they VOTED for. Unfortunately, the disruptor gang who gloated when Warner won is no where to be found on FR now. Hmmm....

. With that history established on this forum, I don't think any Specter backers can assume me of being a "kool-aid drinking purist" or a "sore loser" in primary elections. 90% of the time, I will vote for WHICHEVER Republican wins in the primary. But in this instance, I will NOT.

First off, Snarlin' Arlen MacSpecter is NOT a moderate/centrist and does NOT support the party "the majority of the time" -- or even "votes with us when it counts". This was true during the primary and it's true now. If he truly voted "with us" over 50% of the time, I would likely be supporting him (please note that Voinovich in OH votes nearly 20 POINTS TO THE RIGHT OF SPECTER and is still the prime example of a moderate Republican who would never be confused with hard core conservative. What does that say about Specter) MacSpecter's his lifetime record BARELY makes it to 40% of the time, and that's because he PRETENDS to be a Republican from time to time and brings it up to 70% during election years and scores high with the American Conservative Union being more lenient in recent years. Now that MacSpecter never has to worry about re-election, he can become the GOP's "Zell Miller" and vote however he FEELS like voting and ignoring the party leadres Knowing Democrat Arlen's "personal views", that will probably be liberal 70-80% of the time. Don't think so? Please notice that the final vote tally wasn't even IN yet when Arlen Specter moved back to his ol' leftist views and started campaigning around the state toting how much he OPPOSES Bush's agenda. This guy is truly shameless and any "freeper" who votes for him DESERVES to have a liberal Senator "represent" then, which they will no doubt get no matter who wins now.

Second, Arlen is NOT a Republican and has never been. The Pennsylvania primary results essentially gave us the kind of results that Louisiana gets in a run-off between two Democrats. Specter is a Michael Bloomberg type Republican who was a PROUD, LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who only "joined" the GOP OUT OF CONVINENCE out of the time. To compare these people to Reaganites who switched parties because they embarecd our agenda and values is to compare apples and oranges. An article posted earlier on FR noted this: "I was apprehensive about running on the Republican [ticket]," Arlen Specter writes about his virgin foray into politics in Philadelphia in 1965. It "was almost like changing my religion." In fact, he says "the decision was even tougher." Specter later explains his admiration for Franklin Roosevelt, Adlai Stevenson and John F. Kennedy. Becoming a Republican was a source of "trauma" for the District Attorney candidate. Looking back at Specter's record 40 years later, one wonders why Specter became a Republican. His lifetime American Conservative Union voting record is 43%, which means, even in this partisan Senate, there are more Democrats to his right than there are Republicans to his left. In his memoirs, A Passion for Truth, Specter answers the mystery: he literally sold out to the highest bidder. In January, 1965, Specter asked Pennsylvania's Democratic U.S. Senator Joseph Clark, "Senator, will you help me? Will you help me raise money?" The Democrat said no. Senator Specter then asked the Republican Senator, Hugh Scott, "to what degree would you be willing to help me?" Scott replied, "Do anything I can for you, Arlen." The desperate Republican Party raised the money for Specter, and made sure the field was clear -- the sort of assurance he couldn't get in his own party. Thus began Specter's career, not only of party disloyalty, but of seeking out the highest bidder when faced with a difficult question"

To those who will say I'm trying to help the Democrat win, I will respond that there is no doubt in my mind that Hoeffel is a liberal, and Specter is one too. Pennsylvania and this nation will have a Senator who SUPPORTS TOM DASCHLE MOST OF THE TIME REGARDLESS of who wins. I didn't make this bed, the RINOs on FR who promoted Specter in the primary did. Both candidates are a disaster and neither is worthy of the support of conservatives. It is inevitable that a PA Senator will be undermining us in 2005, but that doesn't mean we have to vote for it.

Third, the election is now about whether a reliably liberal Senator with 24 years worth of Seniority will be chairing the judiciary committee or an unknown hard-left liberal will be a powerless freshman senator from PA in the minority party. Don't think Specter will be given the gavel because he's too liberal? Hmm, well, perhaps you can explain how Jumpin' Jim Jeffords was Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor & Pensions committee right before he switched parties. Or how about the DISASTEROUS tenure of tree-hugger Chafee as Chairman of the Environment and Public Works committee? Can you think of anyone worse in EITHER party? Right now, Susan Collins heads the Government Affairs committee. Ted Stevens runs Appropriations. Does that sound wise to you? Seniority gets you these slots no matter how bad you are. You want to talk me out of opposing Specter, how about a GURANTEE from our senate "leadership" and President that Specter won't get the job after 49% of Republicans from his own state were dead set against it? And as for Specter owing Bush big time, he's in office for life now and there's not a damn thing Bush can do to "persuade" Specter not to Bork more nominees. You thinks RINOs repay a debt if they won thanks to conservatives backing them? Well, tell this is Governor Pataki in NY. He wouldn't even be governor if it weren't for the votes he received as the CONSERVATIVE party nominee!! They saved his ass because the MAJORITTY of voters selected the Democrat candidate over the number of people who voted for Pataki on the Republican ticket. Has RINO Pataki done the biding of the conservative party after they ELECTED him? HA!

If Specter is re-elected in 2005, we can say hello to activist liberal jugdes in the federal government for another three decades. The only thing conservatives can do in good conscience is vote for Jim Clymer (not be confused with Adam, the "major league Ass****), Jim is a solid conservative and man of integrity. The ONLY scenario where any conservative should support Specter is if it appears 50 or more Senate Democrats will end up Dem so Specter is NEEDED to keep the GOP in power in the Senate. Right now, with Republicans likely to pick up 3-4 Dem senate seats in the south -- that is VERY, VERY unlikely.

Please consider supporting Jim Cylmer for U.S. Senate. As I noted, PA is going to end up with a liberal Senator one way or another, but you don't have to sell your soul and vote for that on election day.


JIM CLYMER
for
U.S. Senate
www.jimclymer.com

370 posted on 05/01/2004 2:26:04 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Geroge Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: gdc61
"just wondering ;o)"

I'm sure you are, and it's kind of sad that you have to jab at my handle.

Anyway, if you must have background, I was hoping Toomey would win. I don't live in Pennsylvania, and I wasn't about to commit voter fraud to ensure a win. But Toomey lost, and now the Pennsylvania Senate race is between two people who are going to oppose Bush's nominees no matter what. In looking for a reason to vote for one over the other, only one emerges: Senate majority.

But what do I know about anything, eh?
371 posted on 05/01/2004 7:40:50 PM PDT by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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To: Terpfen
not really a jab. more, helping someone get to a level they could not attain themselves. for myself, God helps me up on the post. that was a long day and i think i started seeing things. LOL ...as for Toomey ... i have studied and thought it through, and have reached the conclusion it would be better to lose one seat in the senate and remove a fake republican from a position of authority, than to worry about a majority that is hobled and backstabbed and unable to achieve any conservative goals. we have a very good chance of retaining the senate without specter and with him gone Sen. Kyl would be the new chair of the juditiary committee. specter out is one less stumbling block to W. gdc61 obviuosly my initials and birth year, whats a terpfen? ;0)
372 posted on 05/02/2004 6:22:25 AM PDT by gdc61
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Hi Billy Boy,
You said, "Please consider supporting Jim Cylmer for U.S. Senate. As I noted, PA is going to end up with a liberal Senator one way or another, but you don't have to sell your soul and vote for that on election day."

However, maybe there won't be a liberal senator one way or another - maybe it will be a conservative: Jim Cylmer. If so many Republicans are angry enough at Specter and the Republican machine to vote for Hoeffel, why wouldn't they vote for a real conservative, Jim Cylmer.

If there is enough passion among conservatives to raise money for Jim Cylmer so he can become known, if conservatives call talk shows & write "letters to the editor", there is no reason why Jim Cylmer cannot win in November.

BTW, the website you posted was for Lancaster Co. commissioner. Is Cylmer using that temporarily?

373 posted on 05/10/2004 6:01:36 PM PDT by Sun (Slavery was justifed by claiming the victims were not people; abortion is justified that way today.)
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To: Russ
Bush got screwed, as expected. Look for Spectator to eek out another narrow victory in the fall and start blocking Bush's judges.
374 posted on 05/10/2004 6:05:50 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: The kings dead
Take a bow, all you keen FR political strategists who told us how supporting Specter would advance conservatism.

I strongly supported Toomey, so now I can sit back and watch the FR RINOs meltdown into oblivion.

375 posted on 05/10/2004 6:07:58 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: BillyBoy
Hi BillyBoy,
I'm from NYS and Howard Mills is not a moderate - he is a pro-abortion lefty.

I'm looking at Dr. Marilyn O'Grady, NYS Conservative Party, as a candidate for the U.S. Senator to run against Charles Schumer.
376 posted on 05/11/2004 9:20:33 PM PDT by Sun (Slavery was justifed by claiming the victims were not people; abortion is justified that way today.)
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