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"Iraq Is Becoming Another Vietnam" by Bob Johnson
Free Republic Network ^ | 5-10-04 | Bob Johnson

Posted on 05/09/2004 9:40:22 AM PDT by Bob J

In their unholy war for power, liberals and Democrats along with their comrades in the media have begun the propaganda drumbeat to convince voters that Iraq is becoming this generations twenty-first century Vietnam.

If Iraq becomes another Vietnam, it won’t be for reasons proffered from the left. Vietnam may have been a low point in American history but it wasn’t a military failure, our troops won every major battle. The war was lost when the left successfully convinced the American public it wasn’t worth fighting, the cost was too high, and more importantly, our military was corrupt and could not be trusted to conduct operations in an acceptable manner. In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's “Vietnam Veterans Against the War”, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. Buoying enemy support while sapping the will of the American people, the left extended the Vietnam war resulting in significant additional loss of Vietnamese and American lives and the eventual bug out by America. Our military, which should have returned as defending heroes bringing democracy to the oppressed people of the world, were spat upon and called baby killers. Thank you J.F. Kerry, a suitable if not ignominious Democrat Presidential candidate.

The left used the excuse of Vietnam (a war initiated and escalated by Democrats) as a pretext for attacking and defeating the sitting Republican President, Richard Nixon. Watergate may have been the final straw that precipitated Nixon’s capitulation, but there is little doubt his saddle bags were full of ‘Nam hay when that pony’s spine snapped. The peace agreement aside, he was squarely in the sites of every commusocialist, sandal and beads flower child and sleazy politician jumping on their bandwagon to score a few points in the next popularity poll.

It begins as a drip but will soon turn into a torrent. Using their dominance and control of the media, the left has xeroxed their strategy against Nixon and is targeting Bush, conservatives and our military. Dozens of articles in major newspapers, speeches by democrat leaders and media exposé’s are questioning the “cost” of Iraq and America’s ability to shoulder that burden. Tabloid-like congressional investigations, in a time of war, ruthlessly attack our leaders flinging outrageous innuendo of corruption and immorality. Now, sensationalized revelations of fraternity pranks by military police against Muslim detainees will shamelessly be used by the left as evidence our military does not have the moral high ground to conduct this engagement.

The political left is utterly contemptible. Their sworn if not patriotic duty to govern in America’s best interests is as foreign to them as truth. To satiate their hatred for George Bush and consuming lust for power they will create out of sackcloth another Vietnam for this country and in the process crush American initiative, respect and honor while unnecessarily sacrificing additional American lives. Again.

Bob Johnson is a Board member of the Free Republic Network and President of RIGHTALK, America’s conservative radio Townhall.


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1 posted on 05/09/2004 9:40:22 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J
BFL responses.
2 posted on 05/09/2004 9:44:55 AM PDT by dts32041 ("Liberty is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity" George W Bush 28 Jan 2003)
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To: Bob J
A good summary of why I find the actions of quite a few on the left to be treasonous.
4 posted on 05/09/2004 9:48:07 AM PDT by thoughtomator (yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
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To: Pan_Yan; Excuse_My_Bellicosity
ping
5 posted on 05/09/2004 9:48:50 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Personality can open doors, but only character can keep them open. --Elmer G. Letterman)
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To: Bob J
Nice. said good.
7 posted on 05/09/2004 9:51:24 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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To: Bob J
Good stuff, Bob J. Thanks.
8 posted on 05/09/2004 9:52:26 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: dts32041
BFL?
9 posted on 05/09/2004 9:55:51 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
Thank you for articulating things I have been fuming about.
10 posted on 05/09/2004 9:58:55 AM PDT by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Bob J
Bob I was talking to my wife this morning about this same issue. There were three things that caused us to lose Vietnam, stupid press,stupid politicians, and the stupid people who believed both of the above.We are headed for the same fate,because of the same things now,stupid politicians trying to run the war from washington,stupid press that hates America and the stupid people who pay attention to both of them.
11 posted on 05/09/2004 10:00:15 AM PDT by cksharks
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To: Bob J
"The war was lost when the left successfully convinced the American public it wasn’t worth fighting, the cost was too high, and more importantly, our military was corrupt and could not be trusted to conduct operations in an acceptable manner. "

Nonsense.

The reason we lost Viet Nam is because we had a spineless leadership that refused to commit to victory.

That's the difference between Johnson (may he roast in hell) and Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

DemocRATs in the White House is a violation of national security and should not be allowed.

12 posted on 05/09/2004 10:01:23 AM PDT by evad ("Such an enemy cannot be deterred, detained, appeased, or negotiated with. It can only be destroyed")
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To: cksharks
Agreed, although I'm not sure the press nor democrats are stupid. Calculating and treasonous, but not stupid. As far as the American people who believed them, they were (as they are are now) subject to a media propaganda blitzkrieg of 80%/20% favoring the left. Yes, they are falling for it but in my mind they are more ignorant and lazy.
13 posted on 05/09/2004 10:10:53 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: evad
The reason we lost Viet Nam is because we had a spineless leadership that refused to commit to victory.

And why had they become spineless?

14 posted on 05/09/2004 10:11:26 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Bob J
The problem for the media is it ain't working. It did not work against Nixon either. So they attacked Nixon as a crook. They made it stick because nixon was not a likable person. Nixon always won as the better of two bad choices.

When a politician is not liked, he can be attacked and destroyed. But it is next to impossible to attack a likable politician and destroy him. I give you Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman and Franklin Delano Roosevelt as examples.

In real terms selling missiles to the Iranians who has just held our people hostage had to be worse than spying on Democrats in their Watergate office. The media thought they had Reagan but it did not stick. We thought we had Clinton but the public did not care.. They liked Clinton and defended the indefensible. The same was true of HST. After all we found traitors in his state department at the height of the Cold War, Dewey could not beat him. The depression got worse under FDR but it did not hurt FDR at the polls. The people liked FDR and attacks failed. Attacks only caused the people to defend him.

This time for the second time there is talk radio and the Internet to get the truth to people. But it will make no difference. The Media can't hurt a politician the public likes and trusts.

A majority of the people like Duya and the people that work for him. The public likes Rummy, Condi, and Powell. The public does not want Rummy fired. They like him and they won't believe charges made against him.

When politicians the public likes are attacked the public gets angry at the attacker.. not those attacked. The media never figures it out. They just think they have to find an issue that will stick.

Attacking someone a person likes and respects is dumb. It just makes that person angry with the attacker. To get likable politician, the opponent has to be nice while offering better solutions to the problem. The desired reaction is, "I like X but Y seems to be a nice guy with better solutions."

Attacking will not work. An opponent can't even claim to be better. He must offer ideas that the public thinks is better and be as likable as the candidate he is trying to unseat. Smart Democrats know it. That is why they think Kerry is toast. He is attacking the unattackable.

15 posted on 05/09/2004 10:17:58 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Bob J
And why had they become spineless?

Hmmm...might as well ask me why a squid is a squid.

I assume that spineless and democRAT liberal go hand in hand. They are simply incapable of doing the right thing, unlike some of the older day democrats.

I suppose you could also say that they became spineless because they were corrupt but being corrupt and spineless are not necessarily mutually inclusive.

16 posted on 05/09/2004 10:20:33 AM PDT by evad ("Such an enemy cannot be deterred, detained, appeased, or negotiated with. It can only be destroyed")
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To: Bob J
Well written. The lesson of Viet Nam is, don't fight your enemies at the gates of Saigon, fight them at the gates of Hanoi. Make their leadership wonder if they are going to wake up in the morning.

If we abandon the fight, and forget why we need to be there, if we convince ourselves that it is unwinnable even while we are winning it, if we walk away from the sacrifice of our soldiers simply because Americans don't have the ability to focus on a serious matter, and don't have the heart for a serious fight, Iraq will become Viet Nam.

The press and the left, and sadly the DNC, are doing everything they can to undermine the will to continue the fight. It is shameful. Viet Nam rotted under communist rule for 30 years thanks to them. Hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese were executed, millions of Cambodians executed, thousands of Hmong killed, thanks to them. If we listen to them now, the Iraqi Baath will return to power under UN sponsorship. They will change their name, but it will be the same cast of characters.
17 posted on 05/09/2004 10:23:20 AM PDT by marron
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To: Bob J
Well stated Bob. The one difference I note is that with Viet Nam we were in a war against communism. The left who had supported communism from the 40s through the McCarthy era successfully infiltrated the mainstream of the Democrat party forcing it to take a strong stand in the Viet Nam scenario.

Today, while the Democrats do have the anti-war crowd in their camp, they do not have a disciplined and committed cadre of die hard idealogues similar to the communists and their sympathizers who ran rampant until Ronald Reagan took charge. I see today's left as a hodge-podge of causes from environmentalism to multi-culturalism, but until they can solidify into a viable political philosophy, they will likely not become the force for evil that personified the communist movement in the 50s and 60s.

That may be wishful thinking on my part because, as I so often have to reflect, the Democrats never met an anti-American left wing philosophy they did not embrace.

18 posted on 05/09/2004 10:30:51 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Common Tator
I agree with your premise that it is harder to make stink bombs stick to a likeable politician, but that is the strategy of the left...make the politician unlikeable. All President's start out likeable, that's why the people elect them. Even Nixon had high ratings throughout most of his presidency. Things changed for Nixon and things can change for Bush if the left media has it's way.

I am little confused though. In your first couple of lines, you state the media propaganda campaign didn't work against Nixon, I assume (due to your premise) because he was "likeable". You then state they attacked him as a crook and it stuck because he was then "unlikeable". It appears to me the media took a likeable President and under their withering attacks, made him unlikeable. In other words, their strategy did work.
19 posted on 05/09/2004 10:31:55 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: evad
IMHO, they became spineless because the propaganda campaign started working. As the Vietnam war became unpopular, any politician supporting it was inevitably tied to whatever the left branded it to be. A few examples...

Against Affirmative Action ---> You are a racist.
Against Prescription Drugs for Seniors ---> You want to throw old people out in the street.
Against School Lunch ---> You want to starve children to death.

As long as the left holds the instruments of information dissemination in their hands, we will always be pushing that boulder up a hill.

20 posted on 05/09/2004 10:36:27 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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