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salon.com contacts DFU over FR's role in murder of Nick Berg by Islamofascist Terrorist b*st*rds
email from salon.com reporter | 5-12-04 | dfu

Posted on 05/12/2004 4:27:51 PM PDT by doug from upland

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Apparently, I am in the middle of a controversy regarding the brutal murder of Nick Berg by the Islamofascist terrorist b*st*rds.

I received the following FReepmail today from a salon.com reporter and spoke to him off the record. I will either call him back on the record or he can use my comments here on the record.

Salon.com inquiry, your post on the "enemies list"
From (redacted) | 05/12/2004 11:45:13 AM PDT read

Doug,

Hello. My name is (redacted), and I'm a reporter at Salon.com. On March 7, you posted a list of signatories to an ANSWER protest; that list, which is now being discussed by a few left-leaning bloggers, includes the name of "Michael S. Berg," who is the father of Nick Berg, the man beheaded in Iraq.

It seems as if you just posted a copy of the list from the ANSWER site, but the trouble is, your list appears much longer than the one on their page. Michael Berg's name -- and many others -- is not on their page.

So I wonder if you can tell me where you got your list -- have you any idea why yours is longer than the one they have?

I also wonder what you think about the fact that you named these people enemies; do you really think they're enemies? Some people on left-leaning blogs are floating the theory that Nick Berg was detained or singled out by U.S. authorities in Iraq because of the list you posted. I wonder what you think of that idea?

I'm not trying to attack you; I'm a reporter trying to get to the bottom of this story, and it'd be great to get your input. Can you e-mail or call, or let me know where to reach you? Thanks so much.

--(redacted)
Reporter, Salon.com (phone number redacted)

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NOTE: my first suggestion was to tell the report to ask ANSWER why many of the names have been removed from that original post.

Here is my post from a few months ago -- HERE IS THE ENEMY -- they have posted their names

Here is the link for the following excerpt on an FR thread -- Beheaded Man's Firm Was On Right-Wing 'Enemies' List

Original source -- original article by Fintan Dunne

Beheaded Man's Firm Was On Right-Wing 'Enemies' List
Breakfornews.com ^ | May 12, 2004 | Fintan Dunne
Posted on 05/12/2004 12:59:00 PM PDT by Tarantulas
Beheaded Man's Firm Was On Right-Wing 'Enemies' List

The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.

Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.

The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation.

The FreeRepublic.com web site and forum has a reputation for right-wing views, often fanatical Republican and relentless pro-war activism.

On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum.

It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy."

The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. The protest was being organized under the banner of the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism).

Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: "Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc."

That's Nick Berg's father, Michael who acts as business manager for his son in their family radio communications firm, Prometheus Methods Tower Service.

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Here is my immediate reaction --- what is the color of the sky in the fantasy world which Fintan Dunne calls home?

I can't wait for her next story. Let's set the scenario. Two guys are driving to the airport. Their upper radiator hose bursts, the car overheats, and they miss their flight. They get to the airport a few hours late and are able to catch the next plane. The plane crashes. Fintan Dunne headline: Pep Boys Implicated in Death of Innocent Travelers. If anyone could conceive such twisted logic, it would be Ms. Dunne. Without a defective radiator hose, they would have made it to the airport on time. Without a defective radiator hose they would not have been on the flight where the shoebomber detonated his loafers in the seat just behind the wing.

Do we have an official "enemies list"? If so, what do we do to them? Who is keeping track?

I will let you make some comments before I make additional on the record comments. Please don't be crazy. Think through your argument carefully. Some of this may appear on salon.com and we can perhaps help them get up to about 2 cents per share.


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1 posted on 05/12/2004 4:27:51 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
very interesting... salon is still alive?
2 posted on 05/12/2004 4:29:23 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: doug from upland
They cannot be serious.
3 posted on 05/12/2004 4:32:21 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Yes, they really are serious. We are actually sharing oxygen with them.
4 posted on 05/12/2004 4:34:06 PM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
ping for later reading.
5 posted on 05/12/2004 4:35:01 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: cyborg
Salon has always been there. I get crap sent to me from my ignorant leftie friends all the time.
6 posted on 05/12/2004 4:35:47 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (it's coming and if you don't get off the tracks it will run you down)
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To: doug from upland
bump for thursday am
7 posted on 05/12/2004 4:36:59 PM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: doug from upland
IIRC, the military held him because they thought he could be endangered.

His father threatened to sue so they let him go.

I honestly can't blame his father for his actions - even though by Salon's apparent standards that puts him to blame.



8 posted on 05/12/2004 4:36:59 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: doug from upland
Who are the bloggers?
9 posted on 05/12/2004 4:36:59 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: doug from upland
your original list from CANSWAR had the Michael Berg name. We all say it and its recorded.

Why Canswer is now censoring their own signatories is beyond me but hey....whats new.

GOOD JOB DOUG and frankly I am sorry the the Sr. Berg wasnt more like his son.
10 posted on 05/12/2004 4:37:11 PM PDT by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: doug from upland
I am at a loss to connect the dots they try to connect...If anything,their assertion should be it would have protected him, even though Nick was not a part of that list.
11 posted on 05/12/2004 4:37:39 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: doug from upland
I'm not trying to attack you; I'm a reporter trying to get to the bottom of this story

LOL...right ......

Salon is only one step above Conanson or Alterman...be careful.

12 posted on 05/12/2004 4:37:56 PM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: doug from upland
Let me see if I have this right:
The "supposedly radical Islamic group" is hanging around Free Republic.com, just to see what's happening.
They notice this list of ANTI-war people through a link here.
And they managed to FIND a SON of one of them in Iraq.
And the MURDERED him there.

Because his father was ...... against the war.

Is that believable to anyone?

13 posted on 05/12/2004 4:38:24 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: doug from upland
Well, let's try this one. If the name was on an otherwise publicly available list why would we attribute Iraqi knowledge of that name to a reprint on FreeRepublic? How about attributing it to the original publicly available list, and to the fact that Mr. Berg and the company were in fact active in ANSWER?

Also, I gather there is no evidence that some Iraqi unit actually uses the American FreeRepublic chat site as the source of its intel for detaining Americans found in a war zone.

14 posted on 05/12/2004 4:38:48 PM PDT by Williams
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To: doug from upland

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15 posted on 05/12/2004 4:38:51 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: doug from upland
They're yanking your chain.
16 posted on 05/12/2004 4:38:59 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: doug from upland
The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation.

And yet, no explanation, plausible or otherwise, follows. Perhaps even the esteemed Ms. Dunne lacks the chuztpah to actually express what she so slyly insinuates.

If this is the kind of twaddle that salon finds worthwhile, no wonder it sucks so bad.

17 posted on 05/12/2004 4:39:11 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: doug from upland
The big question for the reporter is this: which is easier to believe, that A.N.S.W.E.R. redacted their list, or that you were prescient enough MARCH to post Berg's fathers name knowing it would endanger him in MAY.
18 posted on 05/12/2004 4:39:20 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: swilhelm73
I honestly can't blame his father for his actions - even though by Salon's apparent standards that puts him to blame.

Excellent!

19 posted on 05/12/2004 4:39:35 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: wardaddy; doug from upland
See my post and I agree with wardaddy. They make no sense....How can you deal with people who think this way?
20 posted on 05/12/2004 4:39:52 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: doug from upland
We are actually sharing oxygen with them.

Their brain isn't getting it's fair share.

21 posted on 05/12/2004 4:39:53 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: doug from upland
"The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death."

The flights of fancy that some on the Left take must be quite expensive, given the cost of jet fuel these days. Just this paragraph alone represents leaps and extrapolations that could land one in the next galaxy.

22 posted on 05/12/2004 4:39:54 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Izzy Dunne
Iz its just comical and I hope doug is laughing too.

Sadly it may come at the expense of poor Nick Berg however..... that is not our problem at this point. If his father is going to be an ass and blame Bush then all is fair in love and war.
23 posted on 05/12/2004 4:40:00 PM PDT by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Neither makes sense since doug copied the list and had no idea who the members of the list were....
24 posted on 05/12/2004 4:41:07 PM PDT by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Sure they are. It's all Bush's fault.

Nobody said logic is involved. Might be some Froot Loops, though. Or bad angel dust.
25 posted on 05/12/2004 4:41:15 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: doug from upland
Some people on left-leaning blogs are floating the theory that Nick Berg was detained or singled out by U.S. authorities in Iraq because of the list you posted.

Uh, let me get this straight. They're positing that NICK Berg got detained because MICHAEL Berg's name was on a list? And just how did the Iraqi cops figure that one out? Magic? The CIA passed them the Master List Of All Americans Who Are Related To One Another? Tea leaves? Ouija board?

Son, take some advice. Other people's paranoia isn't your problem.

26 posted on 05/12/2004 4:41:32 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: doug from upland
Ok, ANSWER actively opposes the US Governments position on every issue. I guess that kind of explains why we would think of them as enemies. ANSWER oppose the US Government for the SAKE of opposing the US Government, NOT from any vision of a better alternative solution. By doing that, Answer is a propaganda arm for the Terrorists. I do not know if Answer does this KNOWINGLY or just cannot figure out the logical conclusion of their actions.
27 posted on 05/12/2004 4:41:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We have the solutions, Kerry Democrats? Nothing but slogans)
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To: doug from upland
Doug, I have only read one blog from a
crackpot wherein he cited FR as a site of
"right-wing haters" and he also provided a
link to your post naming the answer folks.

I pinged you to that thread.
I can find it if you wish.

Salon can take a flying you know what.
I didn't know they were still being
propped-up and in business.
28 posted on 05/12/2004 4:42:30 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: doug from upland
If anything, your post got him offered a free trip home at the expense of the US taxpayer. He should have taken it.
29 posted on 05/12/2004 4:42:36 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: doug from upland
ya know............if we have this much power................................maybe we should use it for (ahem) useful stuff.
30 posted on 05/12/2004 4:42:40 PM PDT by Greg_99 (Sua Sponte)
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To: doug from upland
First, does this sound like reality:

Iraqi police officer: I have suspect, named Joe Jones in custody.

Iraqi police supervisor: Standby Achmed while I surf FR for info on suspect. Hey...he's an anti-war communist protester, arrest him.

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Don't think so.

Secondly, Nick Berg was pro-Bush and pro-Iraq war. His father is the Answer member.

Third, the state department offered Berg a flight home.

The left is really going overboard in their conspiracy theories over Berg's death. They are doing more damage to their own cause than we ever could.

31 posted on 05/12/2004 4:43:29 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Donít go around stating the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Another poster on another thread expressed the possibility that a telecom specialist, known to be associated with supporters of the anti-American Iraqi resistance, and with no sensible economic reason for being there, might have been drawn there with ideas of helping the anti-American side with their communications.

And then discovered too late that "dead men tell no tales".

32 posted on 05/12/2004 4:43:39 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: doug from upland
Dear Salon,

I think they are all enemies of the free state. They advocate replacing a government of, for and by the people, to a centralized socialist form of government. Anyone subscribing to such thought is an enemy of the state.

Nick Berg's father is an enemy of the state.

Michael Moore and George Soros are enemies of the state. If I had my druthers, they all would be given the option of deportation, or internment.

We are at war against those who hate this country and its judeo-christian values and ethics [liberals], and we are war against Islamic-Muslim culture and countries. Islam is evil. 99.9% of all terror and war has Islam as a common denominator. THIS IS NOT A WAR AGAINST TERROR.

Its that simple for me.
33 posted on 05/12/2004 4:44:19 PM PDT by antaresequity (This is not the "War on Terror", Islam is the common denominator)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Amazing logic, isn't it? I wonder what they're smokin' over there?
34 posted on 05/12/2004 4:44:54 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Southack
Well, well. Mr. Talbot can sure pick the losers, can't he?
35 posted on 05/12/2004 4:45:12 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: doug from upland
ANSWER posted the list themselves. You apparently posted the list and added the headline. They are the enemies of America.
36 posted on 05/12/2004 4:45:26 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage
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To: doug from upland
I'd also like to point out the terrorists would just have readily killed the father as the son, and I would have just as quickly been outraged and wanted to see the terrorists killed.
37 posted on 05/12/2004 4:45:48 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Izzy Dunne
Well said. I trying to formulate something along those lines but you nailed it precisely.
38 posted on 05/12/2004 4:45:57 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: antaresequity
Michael Moore and George Soros are enemies of the state. If I had my druthers, they all would be given the option of deportation, or internment.

Your option leaves them alive and able to cause mischief.

39 posted on 05/12/2004 4:45:59 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: doug from upland
Obviously the left is feeling the heat over their guilt in getting Berg beheaded because they pushed this prison hazing scandal in the media.

Attack seems to be their best method of defense, since otherwise they have none.

40 posted on 05/12/2004 4:46:01 PM PDT by narby (Iraq prison abuse looks like Frat house hazing to me.)
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To: MizSterious
Miz even more serious. .....what are our american reporters and democrat critters smokin"?
41 posted on 05/12/2004 4:46:09 PM PDT by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: doug from upland
Nobody looked for the name of Michael Berg on this list until AFTER the video of Nick Berg's death, and as I recall, it only came up because of speculation that he may have been involved in anti-war activity, which would have been ironic.
You published the list on FR so that people could see who were signatories to the ANSWER propaganda. Since ANSWER is an obvious communist organization, wouldn't communists naturally be qualified as enemies of America? Of course many of these people may just be "useful fools" and unaware that the organization is indeed communist.
42 posted on 05/12/2004 4:46:11 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: MEG33
I am at a loss to connect the dots they try to connect...If anything,their assertion should be it would have protected him, even though Nick was not a part of that list.

Great point! If the terrorists knew that Nick's dad is actively protesting AGAINST the war, it makes zero-sense to kill HIS kid. He's already carrying their water!

43 posted on 05/12/2004 4:47:19 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
And they managed to FIND a SON of one of them in Iraq. And the MURDERED him there. Because his father was ...... against the war. Is that believable to anyone?NO!
44 posted on 05/12/2004 4:48:28 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: doug from upland; Jim Robinson
I'm no lawyer, but claiming a post on FR.com contributed to Berg's death seems like slander and defamation of character to me.
45 posted on 05/12/2004 4:48:39 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Donít go around stating the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first.)
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To: doug from upland
It makes about as much sense as somebody noting that some of the pictures of the Iraqi prison "torture" were linked to in various posts on FR, and therefore FR is complicit in generating anger throughout the Arab world, and is therefore to blame for Berg's murder. Oh, wait, weren't some of the photos linked to from Salon.com? Then, isn't Salon.com responsible for Berg's murder?

It's actually much more plausible that, having seen the ANSWER list published on FR, an agent-provocateur from DU or Salon.com or similar arranged for Berg to be murdered so that he could then try to pin the blame on FR.

46 posted on 05/12/2004 4:48:48 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: doug from upland
Does the reporter from salon seriously think that Iraqi policemen are reading posts on FreeRepublic? Certainly there would be an infinitely greater chance of them reading amateur essays here on FR than the professional scribblings on salon.
47 posted on 05/12/2004 4:50:45 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: doug from upland

"I will let you make some comments before I make additional on the record comments."
-Doug-

_____________________________________

Seems like a fairly simple issue..

-- What possible motive could you have had for adding Bergs name etc, to the list you originally cut/pasted & posted at FR back in March?


48 posted on 05/12/2004 4:50:51 PM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: doug from upland; Happygal
Doug, the only other "Fintan" I've heard of is an Irishman. He's another lefty who writes for the Irish Times.

I'm pinging my favorite colleen for her input.

Per Google:

Granta: Fintan O'Toole... Fintan O'Toole. Fintan O’Toole was born in Dublin in 1958. He has been a columnist and critic with the Irish Times since 1988 and ... www.granta.com/authors/107 - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

49 posted on 05/12/2004 4:52:39 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Cultural Jihad
The issue has nothing to do with FR or Salon but rather that Michael Berg signed an anti war list despite the fact that his own son disagreed with him.

THAT IS ALL AND IT and to make anything other is a shame.
50 posted on 05/12/2004 4:52:41 PM PDT by alisasny (John Kerry is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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