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1 posted on 05/14/2004 12:09:26 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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I conclude that Nick Berg is still dead and he is in two pieces, God rest his unfortunate soul.


2 posted on 05/14/2004 12:12:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I've heard this explained by others as evidence of two separate cameras used, and then edited together......


3 posted on 05/14/2004 12:12:56 PM PDT by Red Badger (KERRY'S LAW: FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL & OPPOSITE RETRACTION.........)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They blew the video of Danny's Pearl's killing, too, according to the CIA -- in much the same way.


4 posted on 05/14/2004 12:13:39 PM PDT by MoralSense
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They cut his throat first, he bleed out. Then the Pig F'ers got the idea of cutting his head off. Berg was dead for a time when they cut off his head. I hate talking about this....
5 posted on 05/14/2004 12:14:54 PM PDT by austinite
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vanity thread. get mad.


6 posted on 05/14/2004 12:16:34 PM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I could conclude that they edited out something that Berg said or did, or something that they said to him in english.

After all, the Italian's famous line (this is how an Italian dies) kind of backfired on them.

7 posted on 05/14/2004 12:16:43 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: Blood of Tyrants

My cam just blinks 12:00:00.


9 posted on 05/14/2004 12:17:00 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
To some callers there wasn't enough blood for that type of incident.

When a head is cut off the blood will spurt all over.

Local speculation here is he was drained of  a lot of blood. Just see how pale (spaced out? passive?) he looks. So the videotaped "beheading" wouldn't be so bloody. The Islamic scum who killed him were worried about cleaning up a bloody mess and a video that would appear too violent for world opinion. 

MHO is he had some blood sucked from him to make him weaker, more submissive to the final knife. Very evil sh*t !!!

10 posted on 05/14/2004 12:18:31 PM PDT by dennisw (Exposing John Kerry--> Swift Boat Veterans for Truth---> http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

He did not resist because he thought he was among friends.

The killed him because his reckless behavior had aroused the attention of the FBI.

He was brought in from the cold. Turkey.


12 posted on 05/14/2004 12:19:52 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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The skipping about is probably due to the fact that you are watching the edited fuzzy version from porn sites.


15 posted on 05/14/2004 12:21:33 PM PDT by walwyn
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From your description and my own viewing of the video, one might conclude that Nick was dead, or drugged, before they sawed his head off.

There was a quantity of blood, but it was not pumping out vigorously as one would expect if the heart were still beating, so it is likely, hopefully, that he had died before the grisly beheading.


17 posted on 05/14/2004 12:23:43 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: Blood of Tyrants; LindaSOG
>ping<

...you're not alone in your observations, Lin.

18 posted on 05/14/2004 12:24:31 PM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Nick Bergs father said yesterday..

"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this..I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life....They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

You know, I`ve watched that video over and over and blast it but I just can`t make out if anyone in the Bush administration is behind those hoods. When 911 happened and not one, but 3000 people were brutally murdered in much the same horrific way as Nick Berg, if not worse, did Nick Bergs father blame the Clinton administration for "seeing only the good" which meant basically doing nothing for 8 years, kissing the butt of the likes of Arafat and turning down Bin Laden how many times even after the first WTC attack? There`s a lesson to be learned when you try to "make good" with these animals. Sort of like trying to "make good" with sulfuric acid by drinking it.

19 posted on 05/14/2004 12:24:53 PM PDT by stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims (Still waiting for the protests against terrorism)
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Source: truth-teller.com

Timestamps on Nick Berg Video, 2 cameras used

Some news outlets have raised questions about time gaps in the Nick Berg murder video, citing an 11-hour gap in the sequence. Complete hogwash. The video is in real time and is shot with 2 video cameras with their internal timestamps set differently. The final video is edited back and forth with shots from both cameras, with one 22-minute gap while the group execution scene is prepared after Berg's initial statement. At times the scene shows the second cameraman in the margins of the video as they switch back and forth.
Here is the sequence and the timestamps shown on both cameras:

Begin, camera one, 13:26:24 to 13:26:28
Berg talking, seated in a chair.

Cut to camera two, 2:18:35 to 2:18:43
Berg still talking, still in chair, viewed from another angle but no time gap. Berg's statement takes about 12 seconds.

Skip ahead 22 minutes, camera two, 2:40:30
Now we see the five terrorists standing behind Berg, who is now seated on the floor, with the center man preparing to read a written statement. This scene runs until 2:44:48, taking 4 minutes 18 seconds, and ends with the center man pulling his knife, grabbing Berg by the hair, and the other men grabbing and holding Berg down.

Cut to camera one, 13:45:47
Execution scene continued from other camera angle, no gap in action. At 13:46:30 you can plainly see the other cameraman in the right margin of the frame, and you can see him using his video camera for the remainder of this shot. This scene runs for 46 seconds as the head is sawed off, until 13:46:33.

Gap of 73 seconds, to 13:47:46
Cut to scene of killer lifting up and then holding severed head up to the camera. This scene runs until 13:47:53.

Cut back to camera two, 2:46:18 to 2:46:22
Shows the killer holding the head from another camera angle.

Cut to camera one, 13:48:34
Head is shown resting on the chest of the decapitated body, camera pans to the severed neck for a few seconds, video ends 13:48:49.

There are two short time gaps in the sequence. First there is apparently a 22-minute gap between Berg's statement and the actual execution scene. Second, there is a 73-second gap (camera one) while the killers apparently finish severing the head and get it loose to hold up. Camera two is missing 90 seconds at this point. With the obvious editing back and forth between scenes from two cameras, this gap is probably not significant. Perhaps the terrorists did not want to show the difficulty of severing the spine to get the head loose, which I suspect would be quite hard with a knife.

Total elapsed on camera one (13:26:24 to 13:48:49) 22 minutes 25 seconds.
Total elapsed on camera two (2:18:35 to 2:46:22) 27 minutes 47 seconds.

Camera one was probably not running during the reading of the terrorist statement, and perhaps camera one has a time "counter" as opposed to a "clock" meaning it shows time filmed, not real clock time. If that were the case with camera two, then it is missing 22 minutes of actual footage, not 22 minutes of real time. I think that unlikely. However, the value of the numbers on camera two seem more likely to be clock time than footage time, unless the cameraman simply forgot to reset his counter from prior sessions. Leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me on video cameras.

Forget any bizarre theories being put forth about 11 hour time gaps in this video. It was done in real time, with two cameras running near continuously, and then edited only slightly to produce the final film.

I would welcome other analysis and comments on this subject. Perhaps someone will spend more time than me looking at this gruesome thing. I've had enough of it.

Note added 2:57 PM EDT: The 11-hour fallacy is probably based on the shortened, edited video circulating. The full 5-minute-plus (5MB) video can be found at Northeast Intelligence Network. They have had to keep moving the link due to traffic, so I don't copy it here. Scroll down to the bottom of their article.

Note sent to Associated Press:
To: info@ap.org
Subject: correction

In the story widely circulated today on the murder of Nick Berg, which begins:
By: ROBERT H. REID, AP Writer
Submitted: 5/12/2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq

the author states, "The video is of poor quality, and its time stamp seems to show an 11-hour lapse between when the assailants finish their statement and push Berg down, to when they behead him. That suggests a delay between those two portions of tape posted on the Web site."

This is completely incorrect, as a viewing of the full 5 minute video will show without any doubt. There is no time gap, but two cameras being used and then edited back and forth throughout the film. The timestamps on the two cameras are set at about 11 hours apart, but are incorrect and being run simultaneously. Please view a full analysis at:
http://www.truth-teller.com/000041.html

The author evidently relied on a much condensed version of the full video that has been circulating, and may give this wrong impression.

Thank you. Posted by truthteller at May 12, 2004 12:42 PM | TrackBack

25 posted on 05/14/2004 12:30:55 PM PDT by adaven (Islam = Submission. Socialism = Submission.)
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"What do Freepers conclude from this?"

This Freeper concludes that the islamic scum suckers need to get their a$$ licker Michael Moore to do the camera work, with funding, by their partner in crime, Ted Kennedy.

As Congress has nothing to do but p-ss and moan about GWB, send them over to help out Moore by being butt boys and girls.

31 posted on 05/14/2004 12:40:11 PM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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I conclude that the Islamoscum also use military time.


33 posted on 05/14/2004 12:47:04 PM PDT by Blzbba
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Couple things I noticed while watching the tape. There are a couple of thick army type blankets spread out on the floor....I think they placed them there to soak up the blood. I also noticed Berg was on his stomach as the killing took place so he would have bleed out the front.....yet in the close up after it was done ...I noted blood on Bergs back.


37 posted on 05/14/2004 12:53:36 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is an important post. There are many questions I have about the video myself. Thank you for taking the time to break this down in such a manner.

Bottom line: an important posting - period.
41 posted on 05/14/2004 1:00:48 PM PDT by Codeflier (Implement Loser Pays)
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Why was he provided an orange US?) suit, and then had it removed?
He was not too sharp and failed to realize HE was in a trap by those whom his father admires.


49 posted on 05/14/2004 1:07:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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Bastards!!!!!!


53 posted on 05/14/2004 1:12:18 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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