14 arrested in undercover federal probe of Nevada gun shows

Las Vegas SUN ^ | May 21, 2004 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

"AK47 assault pistol"


Krinkov? Osama has one in many of his videos.

[tet68]

Whereas a "loophole" is a firing port in the wall, about 16 inches above the floor, it helps to tear some boards or sheetrock loose and fill the walls with dirt, also sandbags
are your friend.

Remember, a bunker without a berm, is a grave.

[tet68]

The problem comes when a terrorist action is tied to a gun show, oh the outcry we will hear!
If you like gunshows better go now before they are a thing of the past.

[TERMINATTOR]

Yep, lawless anarchy from the top down.

[FITZ]

Several of the people charged were felons or were covered by domestic violence restraining orders and were prohibited from possessing firearms, Bogden said.

If those charged as felons are still considered dangerous, you have to wonder why they didn't keep them locked up.

[tpaine]

This federal action is a complete perversion of our constitution by ALL involved..
And the buck stops at the white house.

Yep, lawless anarchy from the top down.

Actually, I view it as worse that that. I see these ongoing infringements as a deliberate policy, intended to subvert away our republican form of government, and to replace it with the social welfare state model.

Communitarianism is alive and in charge in DC, regardless of which 'party' is in the white house.

[Cultural Jihad]

So much for trying to claim that the 'gubermint' ought to go after gun criminals.

[rolling_stone]

In other news 10 million illegal alien lawbreakers continue to roam the country unchecked....

[Cultural Jihad]

Supposedly by your 'logic' if someone gets their driver's license revoked then they must be incarcerated, too.

[TERMINATTOR]

Yes, anarcy is the wrong word for it. It's far more organized than that. Treasonous usurpation of power from the top down, is more like what I was trying to say.

[Alaska Wolf]

I don't know what orginizations to which you belong, but it appears you have work to do. We here in the Last Frontier, owned mostly by the federal government, have been working diligently and cooperatively with numerous organizations to regain state and individual rights. We now have an open carry law {Kimber .45ACP Pro Carry} and have held state oil leases. It's an infinite battle, but there is no choice. Whine if you must just don't quit. Regards,

[Alaska Wolf]

I don't know what orginizations to which you belong, but it appears you have work to do. We here in the Last Frontier, owned mostly by the federal government, have been working diligently and cooperatively with numerous organizations to regain state and individual rights. We now have an open carry law {Kimber .45ACP Pro Carry} and have held state oil leases. It's an infinite battle, but there is no choice. Whine if you must just don't quit. Regards,

[Alaska Wolf]

Oops, my bad, pilot error

[yooper]

If the government has no business being in my bedroom, it certainly has no business being in my gun cabinet.

[Atlas Sneezed]

So much for trying to claim that the 'gubermint' ought to go after gun criminals.

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And aside from violating arbitrary and dubious gun laws, what exactly was their "crime"?

The government ought to go against those who commit crimes against others using guns. But denying a released felon the right to self defense is morally wrong. If he's safe enough to let out, why worry?

The JBTs like to enforce arbitrary and absurd things as "gun crimes" so that their cheering section will vote them more money for going after "gun criminals."

[Atlas Sneezed]

"We also seized explosives at one residence in Reno today," including 20 blasting caps and 20 feet of detonating cord, he said.

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You don't suppose they busted the nice guy who sells cannon fuse and rocket igniters (wrapped in shrink wrap, with extending wires, as "electric matches") and decided to exaggerate a bit?

[sgtbono2002]

If these folks were selling illegal weapons at the gun show what is the problem?. To me this article says we dont need more gun laws we need to enforce the ones we have now, I hav always said this, now I am going to complain when the law does what I ask? Gun shows arent a license to sell illegal arms.

[tpaine]

TERMINATTOR posted:

"Several of the people charged were felons or were covered by domestic violence restraining orders and were prohibited from possessing firearms, Bogden said."

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If those charged as felons are still considered dangerous, you have to wonder why they didn't keep them locked up.
25 FITZ

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Supposedly by your 'logic' if someone gets their driver's license revoked then they must be incarcerated, too.
29 cj

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Daft logic on your part cj, as losing a driving license still permits you to own and ride in, thus 'use' a vehicle.

In the case at hand, the state is claiming it can flat out prohibit ownership/possession of certain types of property, based on what 'might' happen if it is misused.

That claim clearly violates the rule of constitutional law. -- We have an inalienable right to life, liberty, and property.. See the 14th.

[Cultural Jihad]

In the case at hand, the state is claiming it can flat out prohibit ownership/possession of certain types of property, based on what 'might' happen if it is misused.

We as a society make such determinations and judgments all the time. Drunk drivers are arrested even without plowing into pedestrians first, and it's hardly a constitutional issue. A counterfeiter can get his artwork and machines confiscated even if it never leaves his own private basement. A hacker can be barred from owning or using a computer. Any crime which is talked about and planned with others in advance is itself a crime, even if they don't act upon it. Seems the law is perfectly fine with such 'might happen' judgments.

[FITZ]

I think if you are a dangerous felon, you shouldn't be out of prison in the first place. If you're a domestic abuser --- beating your wife half-to-death or threatening to kill your family --- then you should be locked up. If you are not a danger --- but you could be in fear for your own life --- why shouldn't you have the right to protect yourself? If you committed a serious crime --- but you aren't dangerous, you could have some pretty bad enemies who wish to kill you --- shouldn't you have the same right to self-protection that I, a more innocent person has?