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F/A-22 Ups and Downs; the Tacair Debate; [Brian's Military Ping List]
Air Force Association ^ | May 2004

Posted on 05/31/2004 5:34:13 PM PDT by VaBthang4

Raptor Ready for Prime Time

At a March 22 review of the F/A-22 program, the Defense Acquisition Board found no reason that USAF should not proceed with initial operational test and evaluation (IOT &E) for its new stealthy fighter.

The DAB, which is chaired by acting Pentagon acquisition, technology, and logistics chief Michael W. Wynne, appeared satisfied with the aircraft’s progress despite earlier claims by some members that the Air Force was moving too quickly into IOT&E.

The board met to review whether the F/A-22’s avionics had met the level of stability that was mandated for entry into IOT&E. The Air Force was required to demonstrate that the avionics suite could sustain a five-hour-mean-time-between-failure rate for critical elements. (See “The F/A-22 Force Forms Up,” April, p. 34.)

The day after the DAB meeting, Marvin R. Sambur, USAF’s top acquisition official, told lawmakers that Wynne had said he was “very encouraged by the program’s progress” and saw “no impediment to entering IOT&E in the April time frame.”

Sambur also told a House subcommittee that, although the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center had “not formally completed” its analysis, the AFOTEC commander found the F/A-22’s performance “very impressive.” That constituted a rave review, according to Sambur.

“I have never heard an AFOTEC commander ... use anything better than, ‘It is OK’ ” when describing a weapon system, said Sambur.

At the same hearing, Lt. Gen. Ronald E. Keys, USAF’s deputy chief of staff for air and space operations, responded to a question about a mock dogfight in which eight F-15Cs engaged four F/A-22s. He said the Eagles “all died.” Keys added that most of the F-15s never even got off a shot against the F/A-22s.

The thumbs up by the DAB and the upbeat testimony by Air Force officials was in sharp contrast to a March 15 General Accounting Office report. The Congressional watchdog agency had reported that the F/A-22 was still struggling to meet avionics requirements. (See below.)

However, Keys told the lawmakers that the GAO report was simply out of date. “This is a moving target,” he said.

Sambur emphasized that the F/A-22 program “is now at 6.1 [hours] vs. the five-hour metric.”

GAO Seeks New F/A-22 “Business Case”

The GAO charged, in its report and testimony, that the Pentagon had failed to provide sufficient information to Congress to justify the number of F/A-22s USAF plans to buy or its modernization investment plans for the new stealthy fighter.

The GAO said DOD “did not address key business case questions such as how many F/A-22s are needed, how many are affordable, and if alternatives to planned investments increasing the F/A-22 air-to-ground capabilities exist.”

The business case that DOD did provide to Congress said it “planned to buy 277 F/A-22s based on a ‘buy-to-budget’ concept,” according to the GAO. The GAO said that DOD, if held to the $36.8 billion production cost cap imposed by Congress in 1998, could only buy about 218 F/A-22s.

The higher number is based on the Pentagon’s production cost cap of $42.2 billion, which several lawmakers at the April hearing said violated the Congressional mandate. DOD and Air Force acquisition leaders stated at the hearing that the Pentagon planned to ask for relief from the statutory cost cap.

Sambur on April 11 told lawmakers that the Air Force was “not happy” with either number. He said the service maintains it needs “something in the order of 381.” (See “Editorial: The Raptor Review,” April, p. 2.)

GAO claimed that USAF had included $3.5 billion for addition of improved ground-attack capabilities through 2009 but that the service would actually need $11.7 billion. Air Force Secretary James G. Roche said he finds it hard to grasp the $8 billion difference.

“The biggest change is the radar,” Roche said at a Defense Writers Group meeting in mid-March. “In changing the radar, the price of the radar falls 40 percent. So it doesn’t go up; it goes down.”

Roche said the “second biggest change” is inclusion of the small diameter bomb, but the small diameter bomb is going to go on lots of things.” He added, “I don’t know what got included in the costs of air-to-ground.”

Taking Sides on Tacair

The mostly favorable news on the F/A-22 impressed many members of Congress, most of whom said the F/A-22 is on firmer ground. However, they noted that tactical aviation as a whole is facing stiff problems.

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), chairman of the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee, on March 25 claimed that, despite his support for the F/A-22, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, and the Navy’s F/A-18E/F, the long-anticipated procurement “train wreck”—too many programs and not enough money to fund them all—is approaching.

He said that the defense budget can’t sustain three Tacair programs along with other top defense needs.

“Something has to give,” Weldon said. It may be this year or the next several years, he said, but Congress is going to “have to be able to make some extremely difficult and tough decisions.”

Weldon pointed out that a year ago no one expected the Army to kill its Comanche scout helicopter program and said that he didn’t want to go any further with the three fighter programs if they aren’t all affordable.

The mounting pressure on Tacair programs was evident in other Congressional sessions, as well. However, support for the F/A-22 seemed solid, at least for the moment.

In a March 24 Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, chairman Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) said he is committed to the Raptor. “This committee did save the C-17,” said Stevens. “We saved the Predator. We saved the B-2. And, as far as I’m concerned, we’re going to save the F/A-22.”

One former foe of the F/A-22, Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, who dealt the program some significant delays and funding cuts in 1999, told Congressional Quarterly that he had turned around on the Raptor.

“Our members have come a long way down the path of believing that the F/A-22 is an asset that we cannot afford to do without,” said Lewis.

Weldon said he couldn’t see the F/A-22 being terminated, however, because it, like the F/A-18, is already in production. In his view, not being in production makes the F-35 vulnerable.

The F-35, on the other hand, he said, is “just a viewgraph” not a real airplane yet, and that could lead some to make it a target.

Weldon emphasized that the Pentagon does not have the “political clout to support something that is, maybe, three years from now vs. what is here—and that is a practical reality we have to deal with.”

However, Weldon pressed the services to “make the case” for the F-35 primarily because canceling the program would leave the Marine Corps “in a bind.”

New Study To Address Airlift Shortfall

Gen. John W. Handy, commander of US Transportation Command and Air Mobility Command, told lawmakers in March that the Defense Department will soon begin a new mobility capabilities study (MCS). It is long overdue, he said, because current airlift is about 18 percent short of the now obsolete airlift goals set by a study concluded nearly four years ago.

The earlier study, Mobility Requirements Study 2005, dubbed MRS-05, was released in January 2001. Since then, worldwide operations in support of the war on terrorism have caused airlift demands to surge. “The requirements in our business have gone up dramatically compared to what MRS-05 thought they would be,” Handy told the House Armed Services Committee.

He said that the new MCS would be an all encompassing mobility review—air, land, and sea. However, he emphasized that the airlift portion would see the most “dramatic impact.”

Handy said TRANSCOM’S No. 1 shortfall is its “aging and numerically inadequate strategic airlift fleet.”

The current strategic airlift shortfall of 9.8 million ton-miles per day (MTM/D) is based on the MRS-05 goal of 54.5 MTM/D. The true airlift shortfall is almost certainly greater than MRS-05 indicates.

Handy said that the Pentagon was to begin the new review by June and would issue a report by spring 2005. He noted that the 10-month timeline “presents an ambitious challenge.”

The TRANSCOM head also told lawmakers that to meet future air mobility challenges, the Air Force will need “high speed, low observable, multimission strategic mobility aircraft with short takeoff and landing as well as autonomous approach capabilities.”

Beyond Goldwater-Nichols

An independent study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies says that while DOD has made great strides in jointness and rationalizing its structure over the last 20 years, it is still wasting money and stifling innovation with unnecessary red tape and layers of bureaucracy.

Phase 1 of the CSIS report, titled “Beyond Goldwater-Nichols: Defense Reform for a New Strategic Era,” reviews and builds on the 1986 Goldwater-Nichols reforms, considered the most comprehensive defense reorganization effort since the 1947 National Security Act. The 1986 reforms enhanced civilian control of the department, secured the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the principal military advisor, and strengthened the authority of combatant commanders—all changes that were intended to speed development of jointness among the services.

The center prepared the study that led to the Goldwater-Nichols legislation, prompting many defense analysts to suggest the new report may serve as a blueprint for a major restructuring of the Pentagon.

CSIS officials said the Beyond Goldwater-Nichols (BGN) team has regularly briefed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and USAF Gen. Richard B. Meyers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, on the study.

John J. Hamre, president of CSIS and former deputy defense secretary, said he expects the Pentagon to implement the findings “almost to the degree of the Space Commission” report, issued in January 2001. Rumsfeld originally chaired the Space Commission and acted on its findings when he became Secretary.

In Phase 1 of Beyond Goldwater-Nichols, CSIS recommends eliminating entire layers of staff for the senior levels of the department to promote faster decision-making, shorter system development time, and greater accountability all around.

CSIS said the Office of the Secretary of Defense should “focus on policy formation and oversight, resist the temptation to manage programs, and consolidate housekeeping functions under an assistant secretary.”

Two of the senior layers targeted in the BGN report are the separate staffs maintained by each branch of the armed forces to support a service’s two most senior civilian and military leaders. For the Air Force, that would lead to the merger of the Secretariat and Air Staffs. CSIS believes this change within each service would “reduce friction,” foster better coordination, and “increase the coherency of service positions.”

Another recommendation would expand the undersecretary of intelligence position to include command, control, and communications. The BGN team indicated that such a move would improve the Pentagon’s ability to acquire and field joint interoperable command and control capabilities, an endeavor it is currently “failing.”

CSIS recommends that DOD eliminate competing sources of advice about personnel matters by combining elements of manpower and personnel on the Joint Staff with similar functions on Rumsfeld’s staff under a military deputy to the undersecretary of personnel and readiness.

For the logistics arena, the BGN team believes that both the Defense Secretary and JCS Chairman need stronger support. To achieve that, they would integrate much of the Joint Staff’s logistics function with the deputy undersecretary of defense for logistics and materiel readiness and place the new entity under a three-star military deputy to the undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology, and logistics. That would be “a major step in ensuring sufficient OSD attention to this critical function,” stated the report.

Other logistics recommendations include making a two-star deputy to the Joint Staff’s head of operations responsible for operational logistics planning and moving the Joint Logistics Operations Center under the J-3 (operations) umbrella.

The BGN group believes that Rumsfeld has made some progress toward enhancing joint focus in the resource allocation process, but they recommend more emphasis. Specifically, they want to give the combatant commanders a stronger role.

CSIS suggests the Pentagon must strengthen the defense civilian force, including creating a new Defense Professionals Corps “to attract the best and brightest ... and provide greatly expanded opportunities for professional development.”

At least three proposals are beyond the scope of the Pentagon but would significantly impact its operations. CSIS calls for the President to appoint a new Presidential assistant on the National Security Council staff to coordinate action between federal departments involved in operations abroad and create a new NSC Office of Stability Operations. In line with that move, CSIS said Congress should create an independent Agency for Stability Operations that contains a Civilian Stability Operations Corps that would organize, train, equip, and deploy a civilian force for post-military operations.

Additionally, the Beyond Goldwater-Nichols report suggests that Congress “reform itself” with an eye toward “reinvigorating Congressional oversight of DOD.” CSIS suggests that armed services committees should focus on macro strategy, policy, and organizational issues. The report also suggests Congress should sharply reduce the size of its authorizing committees and limit claims of jurisdiction over DOD operations.

Since Congress usually doesn’t give up power voluntarily, the authors asked Congress to establish a method similar to the base realignment and closure process to accomplish this task of assessing “current committee membership, structures, and jurisdictions and make recommendations on how to enhance Congressional oversight.” A second phase of the report, due to be completed early next year, will examine how DOD organizes for “new missions and new domains of warfare,” the acquisition process, defense agencies, and joint professional military education, among other topics.

Long-Range Strike Takes Steps Forward

The Air Force is speeding up its plans to acquire a new long-range strike capability by about a decade. Two new service offices—one at Air Combat Command and one at Air Force Materiel Command—have been set up to help quicken the pace toward finding a successor for today’s bombers.

The offices will develop an analysis of alternatives and manage acquisition of a future long-range strike capability, Gen. T. Michael Moseley, USAF vice chief of staff, told the House Armed Services Committee in March. He said that the Air Force planned to have a new system in service by 2025.

That is more than a decade sooner than USAF’s previous plan, which called for a bomber replacement to come online around 2037.

The two offices were funded out of the $100 million Congress inserted in the Fiscal 2004 defense authorization bill specifically to begin work on a successor to USAF’s bomber fleet. (See “Washington Watch: On to the Next Bomber,” January, p. 8.) Congress was concerned that USAF was not moving fast enough.

Moseley did not limit the new long-range strike system to a specific platform; instead he said USAF was considering a “portfolio of options that includes manned and unmanned systems, air breathing and space systems, and a wide mix of munitions connected to a network backbone of command and control that facilitates global strike.”

However, he noted that the service is still thinking about a “bridge capability” to provide more deep strike choices while the new system is developed.

To form this bridge, the Air Force is considering an F/A-22 variant, called an FB-22, to serve as a “regional” bomber, in the words of Secretary Roche. It would have a theater capability but not global reach. The FB-22 would have a range of about 1,800 miles, with a payload of up to 30 small diameter bombs. The aircraft would not have all the maneuvering capability of the F/A-22, but would retain stealth and high speed.


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To: SauronOfMordor
"I like the way you think. If Rhutan can build one for $10M, what do you think the per-unit cost would be for a production run of a thousand? $5M? $1M?"

The numbers for changing SpaceShipOne into a fighter and then mass-producing them are so low that to print them only invites idle laughter.

What can't be denied is that even hand-building them from scratch is cheap...that they go higher than anything that anyone has...and that they are faster.

Not bad for civilians.

In the meantime, pork projects like the F-22 and F-35 divert our attentions and resources away from going sub-orbital.

Civilians can go sub-orbital but our military can't. We haven't seen this sort of technological discrepancy since the Wright brothers had the ability to fly over forts before our military could duplicate the feat.

81 posted on 05/31/2004 7:28:01 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rbg81
Well, they have fielded 4 jets at Tyndall and training sims are on-line as well. More jets each few months. (Tyndall is the training base, Langley will be the first operational base.)
82 posted on 05/31/2004 7:28:55 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Southack
We've had this discussion before, and you haven't convince me the least tiny little bit. You are preaching vaporware. As for what isn't made obsolete by F-15s, the answer is all the modern MiGs and Sus, which the Chicoms are buying, etc. There is a world of difference between countering anything the enemy can do, and just having an equivalent plane to theirs. (Yes Virginia, modern Sus and MiGs are fully equal to the F-15 et al. Unsurprising, since the latter are 30 year old technology).
83 posted on 05/31/2004 7:29:15 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Southack

Bingo! I did not read the entire story, but I saw the part when it was talking about dogfights with the F-15. When was the last time we were in a dogfight? The bigger question is CAS, and from what I have seen this is not the most ideal fighter for this mission.


84 posted on 05/31/2004 7:30:27 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: Southack
"Also, you do realize that Rutan has *already* gone sub-orbital this year, yes?!"

The V-2 went sub-orbital. But it is a long way from the Space Shuttle. The magic of the F-22 isn't the airframe. The magic is in its avionics. Orange County Choppers could probably build a 9g fighter. It takes the finest minds in American industry to incorporate an Air Force's worth of electronics into a single aircraft.

85 posted on 05/31/2004 7:30:43 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: LonghornFreeper
"The F-22 can't make toast either. In fact, to my knowledge, no current US fighter aircraft can, so I guess we might as well just give up on them. SpaceShipOne is designed for a completely different purpose than a fighter aircraft, it has no attack or defense capabilities of any kind, nor could they easily be added."

And yet, if I described a Russian fighter that could outrun our fighters and go sub-orbital, you'd scream that we were behind the Russians in aviation technology (and in that scenario, you'd be correct).

I've said it before on this thread and I'll say it again: Rutan's SpaceShipOne is important to illustrate that a technological milestone has been crossed. Civilian aircraft are now flying at Mach 6 and going sub-orbital.

If you think that the entire military world is going to miss the importance of this new paradigm shift then you are in the wrong line of analysis.

86 posted on 05/31/2004 7:32:10 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I understand what you are saying about sub-orbital.
I can only [find comfort] assume the Air Force's RD types have considered the very same concepts.


87 posted on 05/31/2004 7:32:14 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: VaBthang4
>>Maximum Ceiling for the F117? Is that knowable outside of a security clearance?<<

Yes. . .unclass sources like Janes and FAS have this data. We release unclassified data but never the true stuff. And if someone guesses correct we never confirm so they never know.

True operational and service ceiling, as well as employment ceiling and tactics are classified and not discussed.
88 posted on 05/31/2004 7:32:42 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Southack
Not really aware of this space system you are talking about. What sort of weapons does it have and what's it's corner velocity and rate/radius for max G turn? What sort of targeting radar does it have?
89 posted on 05/31/2004 7:34:45 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Southack
Civilians can go sub-orbital but our military can't.

I must assume that you know this is a preposterous statement (and WHY do you keep comparing a rocket to jets?). Let's get past that: why is it you believe a sub-orbital, hyper-velocity weapons platform would suit our needs? Wasn't the Aurora built with those parameters?

90 posted on 05/31/2004 7:34:55 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: Gunrunner2; All

Thanks again.

Hey y'all Gunrunner2 rocks! Check him out! Go'head boy!

Haha... :o)


91 posted on 05/31/2004 7:36:11 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: Gunrunner2
Would be way too costly to open that line again. . .especially when you can justify spending big bucks on a multi-role stealth jet rather than try and defend spending big bucks on a single mission non-stealthy jet.

Okay, I'm gonna show my ignorance here, so please educate me. Can all these gee-whizbang fighters *really* do as good a job supporting the grunts as a Warthog? Hell, I'd be in favor of bringing back the old Spad (Skyraider, not snoopy's) to support the infantry.

92 posted on 05/31/2004 7:36:13 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It)
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To: VaBthang4

Goodness. . .there you go again. . .blowing my cover as a quiet and shy guy. . .


93 posted on 05/31/2004 7:37:45 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Southack

When the MiG-29 first came out, it could do almost anything the F-18 could do that was with hydrolic controls, no fly-by-wire. The Sukois look easy radar targets, but I imagine they can put their nose on almost anything in our inventory in almost any situation. Big assed bird with lots of motor and by the looks of things, lots of room for radar. Add the right missle and it's a decent match for what we're flying...even if it did take them a while to catch up. So there you are...now it's time for us to move the ball. And regardless of how many more g's the plane can take vs the pilot, UAVs aren't ready for prime time. That means giving the pilot stealth, supercruise, and payload along with agility and range. I like pilots. I want our country to pay them retirement benefits. Sounds like the F-22 to me.

And if you're thinking Rutan's little plane is the next generation...well, you're ahead of even Rutan himself. Yes, I know that they're ahead of schedule and will likely win the competition they're in. Don't think the Canadian rocket has much of a chance. But you've had a few too many if you think Rutan's little rocket is our next air superiority fighter. I really did like his close air support concept, though. And if I ever have enough money, I'd like to go for a ride. Probably would be even more fun than the GlassAir III acrobatic ride I took at Sun 'n' Fun a few years ago.


94 posted on 05/31/2004 7:37:57 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Tragically Single
GET MORE WARTHOGS!

I agree with you but it isn't likely to happen. Besides, I will hazard a guess that the tooling, etc. for the A 10s is long gone.

Actually, the post World War II laws need to be changed and the Army ought to have it's own fixed wing Tactical Air branch but that ain't ever going to happen.

95 posted on 05/31/2004 7:38:10 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: spetznaz

I figured you'd appreciate my 'reality recognition' in post #30.

:o)


96 posted on 05/31/2004 7:39:07 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: Tragically Single
Quick answer---NO.

Honestly, the A-10 is the best for the CAS role.

The A-10 can hang around the AOR to affect the battle, whereas most other jets can't. Altitude has nothing to do with CAS, but time-on-tgt and multiple weapons passes does. The Gun is versatile and effective and gives the guys on the ground all sorts of support. A couple of PGM's or a 5-min play-time isn't gonna help much. But, to be honest, ANY air support is better than none.
97 posted on 05/31/2004 7:41:25 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Southack
What we don't have is a fighter that can fly higher or faster than a civilian named Rutan.

I'm going to assume that you are fairly intelligent on air doctrine. Given that assumption, I will also have to concede that you are fully aware of the practical limitations of sub-orbital, Mach 6+ flight vis-a-vis modern air doctrine.

So... just what the heck are you going on about?

98 posted on 05/31/2004 7:43:15 PM PDT by been_lurking
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To: Gunrunner2
Quick answer---NO.

So, once again, the grunts get screwed so we can have bigger faster more expensive toys.

Great.

99 posted on 05/31/2004 7:43:31 PM PDT by Terabitten (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It)
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To: Rokke
" The magic of the F-22 isn't the airframe. The magic is in its avionics."

Then the Pentagon bureaucrats who want to save the F22 should tout the electronics. Instead they harp on the F-22's stealth airframe and its high speed (never forgetting to mention the miraculous "supercruising" capability). Yawn.

Even the F-22's avionics are in question, as this article mentions that the F-22's radar needs to be upgraded already to something to fit its new mission profile of plinking at ground targets.

Frankly, we can put avionics on just about any modern fighter. So I'm unpersuaded that avionics are the key F-22 breakthrough.

Heck, lets just say it: I'm unpersuaded about the entire F-22. Sure, it's the best fighter ever made...but its closest competition was the F-18. We're paying to beat ourselves in a race that has already been lost to civilians who are now going sub-orbital at Mach 6.

100 posted on 05/31/2004 7:43:31 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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