Skip to comments.What Cosby Should Be Talking About
Posted on 06/04/2004 8:24:41 AM PDT by mcg1969
There are still certain things some black people wont talk about in front of some white people. American culture may be seemingly more integrated than, say, 50 years ago, but cultural walls remain. Racial issues, in multiracial company, are often circled until they are impossible to ignore and have to be discussed; blacks, when there are only other blacks around, often cut to the chase. But private black discourse, in my experience, is not focused on pinning things on skin color. The main difference between multiracial conversations and ones solely among blacks is that in private, African Americans are often more critical of themselves than outsiders would ever dare to be.
Last month, Bill Cosby broke the unwritten rule of keeping black dirty laundry in black washing machines. While at a multiracial gala dinner in Washington, D.C. commemorating the 50th Anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, Cosby targeted under-educated lower-income blacks as the source of various social problems. Among his comments: People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now weve got these knuckleheads walking around...the lower economic people are not holding up their end of the deal. These people are not parenting. He went on: Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard. And he mocked the way some blacks name their children: With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all that crap, and all of them are in jail....They are standing on the corner and they cant speak English. Lets hope Fantasia Barrino, Shaquille ONeal and Muhammad Ali never see a transcript of Cosbys comments.
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Of course you wouldn't, but these artists would very likely have still produced art. It would have been different, but it's incredible to suggest it would be worse just because it might actually use proper English.
Mistah Farley should title his column 'Carry Me Back To Old Virginny'.
Plantation days placemarker.
Is this Chris Farley of SNL fame?
Actually, this makes me think even less of Jesse Jackson. I suppose I am expected to believe that (in private conversation) Jesse Jackson often says, "We cause the problems. It's our own damn fault. Our culture is rotten -- you know it and I know it. But, forget about that, I'm going to go extort more money from the White folks. I got some new dirt I can pin on Texaco, and all I want to say is 'Ka-Ching!'"
Is this Chris Farley of SNL fame?
Hearing the truth must hurt when you know you are wrong.
So let's see . . . when poor Blacks use rural Southern dialect liberals love it and conservatives scream at them to get an education. When poor rural Southern whites use rural Southern dialect conservatives love it and liberal laugh at them because they don't speak proper English.
Does this sum it up?
I guess I've never noticed that. The other stuff you mention, I agree with.
Am not black myself but I've always asserted the first half of what is excerpted here publicly to whomever. However, I place the lion's share of the blame on Leftists with their dialectic and their lower economic strata social engineering which has more or less openly manipulated black culture in the past to expedite certain socialist objectives.
No. I don't follow you.
Senator Foghorn Leghorn is a 'Rat. Who 'loves' that?
When poor rural Southern whites use rural Southern dialect conservatives love itI guess I've never noticed that. The other stuff you mention, I agree with.
I read some neo-confederate boasting about how the "hillbilly" dialect of Appalachia represents the English of the Elizabethan period and the literary zenith of the language. I don't doubt it, either.
"Black" English doesn't come from Africa but from the British Isles (it conserves certain archaic British dialects). As one who grew up reading Uncle Remus and B. A. Botkin Southern folklore anthologies I must admit that (while I believe knowledge of Standard English should be taught to all) I have never considered the various venerable American dialects to be "leftwing" or in need of eradication.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Gullah.
Have to think on that one a little.
Ok. I'm done.
That Chris Rock routine is hysterical, and also very insightful.
As I understand it, Appalachian really is Elizabethan English (or closer to it than our standard English of today), and the English of that era sounded more like our "hillbillies" than like contemporary English.
The same goes for "Black English." In fact, some factors (such as the use of the infinitive form of "to be" as a finite form) are common to both.
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