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Laura Bush Says Cannot Support Stem Cell Research
Reuters News Article ^ | Wed Jun 9, 2004 10:12 AM ET | Sue Pleming

Posted on 06/09/2004 6:27:12 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Laura Bush, whose father died from Alzheimer's, said on Wednesday she admired Nancy Reagan's devotion to former President Ronald Reagan until his death but could not back her call for relaxation of stem cell research restrictions.

Reagan, the 40th U.S. president, died on Saturday at 93 of pneumonia after a long battle with the brain-wasting disease. His wife, Nancy, and children were at his bedside.

Mrs. Bush, whose father died in 1997, said she had great respect for the former first lady and that she was an excellent role model for families struggling to cope with the illness.

"I know how very difficult it is for the patient, obviously, but also for the caregiver. It requires unbelievable strength of character to take care of the person you love as you see them slip away like that -- 'the long goodbye' they call Alzheimer's," the first lady told the CBS "Early Show" from Sea Island, Georgia, where leaders of the Group of Eight countries are meeting.

But Mrs. Bush said she did not endorse Nancy Reagan's call, already rebuffed by the White House, to allow greater stem cell research to proceed in the hope it would provide some answers to the disease or possibly a cure.

The Bush administration has placed restrictions on embryonic stem cell research and opposes using stem cells from most embryos, a stand Mrs. Bush said she supported.

"There are stem cells to do research on and ... we have to be really careful between what we want to do for science and what we should do ethically," the first lady said. "Stem cell ... is certainly one of those issues that we need to treat very carefully."

Pressed on whether she was prepared to endorse Mrs. Reagan's impassioned call for restrictions to be lifted, she replied, "No."

More than 200 members of the U.S. Senate and House (of Representatives have also urged Bush to allow researchers to use embryonic stem cells to eventually provide brain cell transplants to Alzheimer's patients. They also hope to use embryonic stem cells to treat Parkinson's, spinal cord injuries, heart disease, diabetes and a range of other illnesses.

Reagan had a decade-long battle with Alzheimer's, which affects the brain, causing memory loss, confusion, mood changes, hallucinations, speech problems and incontinence.


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1 posted on 06/09/2004 6:27:13 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Nothing wrong here. Adult stem cell research appears to be as effective.


2 posted on 06/09/2004 6:28:42 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: annyokie
Embryonic stem cell research not only destroys innocent human life, but it has also thus far produced no scientific benefits - not a single person has been cured. By contrast adult stem cell research - a process that protects the sanctity of life - has led to medical cures. In light of that fact, why don't we invest our money in research that not only respects all human life, but offers a real remedy right now to many diseases? Pouring millions of dollars into embryonic stem cell research will not only destroy human life in its earliest stages, the misdirected research may very well deny millions of people the restorative power of adult stem cells. And as far as President Reagan is concerned, perhaps we should just let him speak for himself:

"I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare the unalienable personhood of every American, from the moment of conception until natural death, and I do proclaim, ordain, and declare that I will take care that the Constitution and laws of the United States are faithfully executed for the protection of America's unborn children." - Presidential Proclamation, Jan. 14, 1988

3 posted on 06/09/2004 6:36:05 PM PDT by apackof2 (Kind words are like honey-sweet to the soul and healthy for the body Pro.16:24)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

In other words, "Suck it up nancy, noble suffering is good for you."

Laura Bush has a long way to go before she has the class and wisdom of Nancy Reagan.


4 posted on 06/09/2004 6:36:40 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: annyokie

I heard (sorry no link) that research looked far more promising regarding *adult* stem cells.

I'm sure there would be generous people willing to make donations, like a blood bank.


5 posted on 06/09/2004 6:38:30 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore; All
OK everybody, all at once:

It's all George Bush's fault!

< /sarcasm >


Reuters makes me want to barf!

6 posted on 06/09/2004 6:39:51 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

See post #3


7 posted on 06/09/2004 6:40:33 PM PDT by apackof2 (Kind words are like honey-sweet to the soul and healthy for the body Pro.16:24)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Laura Bush has a long way to go before she has the class and wisdom of Nancy Reagan.

What an assholish comment. Get a life AR. Just because people oppose your utilitarian view on human life they are deemed inferior to those that do.

Nancy Reagan has her views, I oppose them 100% regarding embryonic stem cell research. It says nothing about her class or wisdom, it says she is wrong on this issue.

As for Laura Bush, I think she has class, wisdom, a good marraige and a nice family. That she opposes strip mining embryos is even better yet.

8 posted on 06/09/2004 6:41:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: apackof2

Didn't see your post. You said it far better than I did. :o)

The big problem is that the powers that be make it sound like there are no other options to fetal stem cells. Let alone a far better option, scientifically, as well as morally.


9 posted on 06/09/2004 6:43:53 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Laura and Nancy have an honest and respectful difference of opinion. Nothing at all wrong with that -- this isn't the Fascist Left who tolerate no dissent!

My advice to you is to look at your own class and wisdom before questioning as fine a lady as our First Lady.


11 posted on 06/09/2004 6:47:37 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: antiRepublicrat
In other words, "Suck it up nancy, noble suffering is good for you."

Even as the article was written, Laura Bush did not say that, or make that implication.

12 posted on 06/09/2004 6:48:12 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: annyokie
Embryonic stem cell research not only destroys innocent human life, but it has also thus far produced no scientific benefits - not a single person has been cured. By contrast adult stem cell research - a process that protects the sanctity of life - has led to medical cures.

Pressing for embryonic stem cell research, which has produced only disastrous results in human trials, when there have been such promising results from adult cell tests, is simply human sacrifice ... offered by those who have made "Science" their God, because they can't accept the real God.

My father has Alzheimer's. I sympathize with Mrs. Reagan, but she would have shown better judgment by keeping out of policy discussion in the throes of grief. Sacrificing babies would not have kept President Reagan alive forever ... he was 93, after all; he was going to die from something!

13 posted on 06/09/2004 6:48:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("You shall call on your gods, and I will call on the LORD. The God who answers with fire is God.")
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To: Lauren BaRecall
make it sound like there are no other options

That's what the left does

14 posted on 06/09/2004 6:50:08 PM PDT by apackof2 (Kind words are like honey-sweet to the soul and healthy for the body Pro.16:24)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
When I think of embryonic stem cell use, the term "cannabalism" comes to mind. If you think about it, if you ingest it by intravenous route, surgical implantation, or oral route, what's the difference really ...

The obvious outcome of this research is to implant the immature cells into an ailing human in the hope that the gene sequences of an immature cell will overtake the abnormal growth occuring in the diseased cells.

This is so offensive to me I literally become sick to my stomach thinking about it.

16 posted on 06/09/2004 6:50:36 PM PDT by PLK
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To: M007

I disagree, concerning Nancy Reagan. I think she's talking from her emotions, and like many people, she isn't aware of the benefits of adult stem cell research.


17 posted on 06/09/2004 6:51:31 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: jwalsh07
What an assholish comment. Get a life AR. Just because people oppose your utilitarian view on human life they are deemed inferior to those that do.

No, there's no living first lady who is Nancy's equal, although Barbara comes in a strong second. And she's definitely right on the issue. It's time the religious puritans stopped controlling scientific research. Even the Pope apologized for what the Church did to Galileo for pursuing science.

18 posted on 06/09/2004 6:51:49 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: M007; Admin Moderator

Calling Nancy Reagan old and decrepit on this of all nights reflects very poorly on your own character. You could have made your point without a disgusting personal attack on her. It's only my respect for Jim Robinson's rules barring personal attacks that prevents me from posting what I really think of you.

I do hope the Admin Moderator clean up the mess you made on this thread.


19 posted on 06/09/2004 6:52:24 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Utilitarian "science" proceeds apace. What you and the "scientists" desire is for it to proceed apace using my money taken at the point of a gun. Disgraceful.


20 posted on 06/09/2004 6:53:41 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

I heard a story about a man with Alzheimer's who was given an injection in his brain with embryonic stem cells. Bone, teeth and hair started to grow in his brain and he died an excruciating death.


21 posted on 06/09/2004 6:54:37 PM PDT by M007
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To: Tax-chick

I agree with both points.

I'll say a prayer for your father.


22 posted on 06/09/2004 6:54:54 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

You missed the who point and made it personal. Laura doesn't want to see babies killed for research.


23 posted on 06/09/2004 6:57:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tax-chick

I agree, hon. She's an old woman who is grasping at straws.

Adult stem cell research doesn't require death of the donor.

I feel her pain (hate that phrase!) but know where she is coming from. If I could have helped my Granny stop the strokes, I may have signed on to that thinking, but I know better.

Prayers for your Dad, Cy.


24 posted on 06/09/2004 6:57:34 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: All
It's time the religious puritans stopped controlling scientific research. Even the Pope apologized for what the Church did to Galileo for pursuing science.

I imagine Dr. Mengele felt the same way, those annoying religious puritans didn't want him experimenting on Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, etc.

And as for the Holy Father and Gallileo, it didn't involve experimenting on human embryos--unborn children--did it?

25 posted on 06/09/2004 6:57:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: apackof2
In light of that fact, why don't we invest our money in research that not only respects all human life, but offers a real remedy right now to many diseases?

Because there are limits as to what adult stem cells can do, while there is no limit for those recovered from blastocytes. This approach goes for limited instant gratification at the sacrifice of the long-term goal of even greater good. We need to invest in both.

I find it interesing all these "scientific" attacks on pluripotent stem cell research. Researchers are going on Capitol Hill and in the media to talk trash about pluripotent research. I've finally figured out the motivation -- there are a limited number of grant dollars, and unethically trashing the competition that means more for them.

26 posted on 06/09/2004 6:59:27 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Lauren BaRecall; annyokie

Thank you both! Dad is taking Aricept, and Mom says it's helping with the everyday memory lapses. He's only 68; when they visited last month, he remembered a poem he wrote in elementary school (about his pet chicken), but didn't remember a two-week trip to Missouri in February. At least he remembers good things! I'm glad we moved back East ... I suspect God knew this was coming when there were no jobs in Tulsa!


27 posted on 06/09/2004 7:01:46 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("You shall call on your gods, and I will call on the LORD. The God who answers with fire is God.")
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To: PLK
When I think of embryonic stem cell use, the term "cannabalism" comes to mind.

Even better, with adult multipotent cells you're actually eating yourself! Ick!

28 posted on 06/09/2004 7:02:04 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: jwalsh07
strip mining embryos

Good descriptive phrase.

I've got an even worse situation I read about not too long ago. There are a couple of doctors who did a medical seminar about "harvesting" the eggs of female aborted babies, to implant them in women who want to get pregnant. Seems there's a shortage of donor eggs.

Abortion doctors, including these two, are absolute ghouls. When I read about this latest, I thought of the B**** of Buchenwald.

29 posted on 06/09/2004 7:02:30 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: cpforlife.org; Polycarp IV; NYer; narses

Good. Needed to be said.


30 posted on 06/09/2004 7:04:14 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: apackof2

Exactly.


31 posted on 06/09/2004 7:04:45 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
One does not have to be religious to believe that life begins at conception. Religion and science agree on this.

The relevant question is not whether fetuses are human lives, but whether killing innocent human life is acceptable or not.

Those who think it is acceptable are called psychopaths.

32 posted on 06/09/2004 7:05:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tax-chick

I'm glad your dad seems to be improving. It must be awful for her (Mom) to miss the twilight years.

There ain't no jobs in Tulsa! Dad was right.


33 posted on 06/09/2004 7:07:01 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Galileo never killed an unborn baby, let alone killed one for Nazi science..


34 posted on 06/09/2004 7:10:31 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Outstanding.


35 posted on 06/09/2004 7:11:39 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: annyokie

I know it's stressful for Mom to look forward to being a "caretaker," when they've been independent for a number of years. Their retirement community in Florida has facilities for residents who "go dotty," as they say down there, but I hope things will work out so Dad can be near us, if his condition deteriorates quickly. He might have a number of years while he still has pretty good functioning; we'll just have to wait and see.

I wanted to keep pretending it was just ordinary forgetfulness, but Mom wouldn't let me.


36 posted on 06/09/2004 7:11:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("You shall call on your gods, and I will call on the LORD. The God who answers with fire is God.")
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To: antiRepublicrat
You don't have to be a religious puritan to object to the destruction of innocent human life to further scientific research.

I can only presume you had no problem with Dr. Mengele's scientific research.

37 posted on 06/09/2004 7:13:52 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

I can't endorse it either. Harvesting fetal cells for those who are living sits funny with me....


38 posted on 06/09/2004 7:15:57 PM PDT by Maigrey (He was our Governor; he was our Homeboy - Seven of Nine)
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To: Motherbear; All
The fate of the unborn is a question of the fate of the human race. We are one human family. If the rights of one part of that family are denied, it is of concern to each of us. What is at stake is no less than the essence of what freedom and rights are all about...Without the Judeo-Christian base which gives every individual an intrinsic dignity as made in the image of the personal-infinite Creator, each successive horror falls naturally into place. Combine arbitrary law (in which a small group of people may decide what is good for society at that moment of history) with the Supreme court ruling on arbitrary abortion and the gates are opened for many kinds of killing under the guise of social good...Any person, no matter who he or she is--a stranger or a friend, a fellow-beliver or someone who is still in rebellion against God, anyone of any age, before or after birth--any and every person is made after the likeness of God.

--Francis Schaeffer--Whatever Happened to the Human Race?

39 posted on 06/09/2004 7:16:09 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: jwalsh07

I'm with you. As much respect as I have for Nancy Reagan, Laura Bush is right on with this one. God Bless the Bushes. They are our modern Reagans. They have their tough hills to climb and I support them 100%.


40 posted on 06/09/2004 7:17:11 PM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: Tax-chick

I'm very glad to hear that your Dad is doing better! Two prayers for him, then! :o)

Good for the move, too. Whatever happens, you'll always cherish the times you have with both your parents.


41 posted on 06/09/2004 7:17:24 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: apackof2

I've lost a ggmother to alzheimers, and my grandmother and great aunt are starting that journey. I would never suggest to them that course of treatment, just to let them live longer. If there was another way, then.... but not at the expense of those who are just starting their life.


42 posted on 06/09/2004 7:17:50 PM PDT by Maigrey (He was our Governor; he was our Homeboy - Seven of Nine)
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To: jwalsh07
it says she is wrong on this issue

No, it says you disagree on this issue. Believe it or not, you do not hold the key to what is right or wrong just because you think you do.

43 posted on 06/09/2004 7:20:15 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: Tax-chick

I can sympathize. My former FIL was quite elderly when he began to confuse my children with his and to confuse me with my late MIL.

I tried to alert my in-laws (I was an out-law), but they were in complete denial.

He was a terror to drive with, but the "real" children wouldn't take that independance away from him until he very nearly killed me and my newborn in NJ. I declared I would never drive with him again and earned the wrath of all.

The daughters thought he only needed someone to check in on the weekend, conveniently when they were down for the weekend, They wouldn't listen to me or the other "outlaw" who took care of him. He wouldn't take his meds, he lost control of his bowels, he was like child in temperament.

It was Hell since his wife was long gone.


44 posted on 06/09/2004 7:21:01 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

High five.


45 posted on 06/09/2004 7:21:02 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1150508/posts


46 posted on 06/09/2004 7:24:00 PM PDT by sharktrager (Reagan always wore his jacket when in the Oval Office. Clinton couldn't even keep his pants on.)
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To: ShadowDancer
No, it says you disagree on this issue. Believe it or not, you do not hold the key to what is right or wrong just because you think you do.

First of all Mrs Reagan is wrong for brininging up the subject at this moment. Secondly she is wrong that killing life to enhance another life is a moral act. Thirdly she is wrong for advocating taking my money at the point of a gun to fund the killing of human life for utilitarian purposes.

And finally I do hold the key to what I think is right and wrong, you're less than humble opinion not withstanding.

47 posted on 06/09/2004 7:25:07 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Tax-chick

Since they're in Florida, it may be a good idea to learn as much as you can about the end-of-life issues down there. While you have plenty of time - so you can be aware.

It's always good to be aware.


48 posted on 06/09/2004 7:26:20 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Although Satan plays a really great game of chess, remember that God plays an infinitely better one.)
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To: annyokie
"Adult stem cell research appears to be as effective."

You are absolutely correct.

49 posted on 06/09/2004 7:27:31 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH ( A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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To: annyokie

What a difficult situation! Our extended family has some experience with Alzheimer's, as well as with ordinary old-age symptoms, and with nutty relatives who won't stop driving. I think that as a group we'll deal with the situation sympathetically, but realistically. My mom is big on facing facts!

As far as my husband and children and I are concerned, we'll be grateful for whatever time, and whatever level of understanding, we have have with Dad. It's funny, I started getting the cold chills about his condition when Johnny Cash died, and now the full impact with President Reagan's death.


50 posted on 06/09/2004 7:28:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("You shall call on your gods, and I will call on the LORD. The God who answers with fire is God.")
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