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The Modern-Day American Dad: Conservative, Fat, and Unwilling To Let His Woman Stay Home
PR Newswire ^ | June 14 | Euro RSCG Worldwide survey

Posted on 06/14/2004 6:54:52 PM PDT by summer

The Modern-Day American Dad: Conservative, Fat, and Unwilling To Let His Woman Stay Home

Euro RSCG Worldwide Unveils Trends Taking Shape Among U.S. Dads



NEW YORK, June 14 /PRNewswire/ -- As children head to the malls to buy ties and cologne for dear old dad for Father's Day, Euro RSCG Worldwide, a global communications agency, has undertaken an online survey that reveals just who these modern-day dads are. The findings might surprise you.

It turns out Dad is one complicated guy. On the one hand, he's a big old traditionalist -- opposed to same-sex marriage, in favor of spanking, more opposed to divorce. On the other hand, he's less likely than his wife to think it's OK for a woman to stay home with the kids, and he's more likely to enjoy grocery shopping. Who knew?

"What our study has revealed is that there isn't just a gender divide in America, there's also a divide between men who are dads and men who aren't," says Marian Salzman, EVP and Chief Strategy Officer of Euro RSCG Worldwide.

"Today's dad is much more conservative on social issues, and this may have to do with the fact that, even as men are being called on to be more nurturing and involved, their traditional role as 'protector' has become much more difficult. In addition to all the old threats children faced, including substance abuse and hanging around with the 'wrong crowd,' there is now school violence, inappropriate media content available in the home through multiple channels, and, of course, the threat of terrorism. Dads seem to be the ones trying to hold back the line."

In February 2004, Market Probe International surveyed 1,982 Americans online on behalf of Euro RSCG. Among the findings:

* Dads are more likely than their wives to let the bible into the bedroom: 44% of dads say religion factors into their sex lives. In contrast, only 38% of non-dads and 35% of moms agreed.

* Someone forgot to tell dads that they were the ones who wanted to keep women out of the workforce in the first place. Now more women want to return to the home, and men won't let them! A great majority of moms surveyed (83%) think it's fine for a woman to be a homemaker and not do paid work. In contrast, only 66% of dads (and 60% of non-dads) agree with the wife-as-homemaker idea.

* Dads are also significantly more likely than their spouses to believe that divorce should be the absolute last resort (86% of dads agree vs. just 75% of moms).

* Fully 60% of dads consider monogamy a natural state for human beings, compared with just 47% of non-dads and 61% of moms.

* And speaking of sex ... they want it. An overwhelming 81% of dads believe men and women are entitled to expect regular sex from their partners. Tough luck for a lot of them, since only 65% of moms (and 56% of non-moms) feel the same way. Interestingly, only 68% of non-dads think regular sex should be expected, suggesting they may be less frustrated by the conjugal killers known as "children."

* Does the modern-day dad talk openly with his kids about sex? Not on your life. Only 42% of dads do so, compared with 56% of moms.

* When dads do talk about sex, it's not likely to be about anything other than heterosexual unions. Compared with women and non-dads, the fathers in the sample were substantially less likely to agree that same-sex partnerships/"marriages" should be accorded the same status as man- woman marriages. Only 27% of dads support same-sex marriage, compared with 34% of moms, 37% of non-dads, and a whopping 47% of non-moms.

* Is shopping fun? Not according to dads. Just over one-third (38%) of dads said they enjoy shopping and consider it a recreational activity, whereas most moms (55%) feel that way. That might explain all the men slumped on benches at the mall. One thing they do enjoy more than their spouses is food shopping: 41% of dads vs. 39% of moms consider that among their favorite chores.

* A clean home may be a sign of godliness, but it has nothing to do with manliness, say a majority of dads. Only 31% of dads agreed they enjoy shopping for household cleaning products and consider a clean home "fundamentally me"; in contrast, a slight majority of moms (51%) feel that way, as do 48% of non-moms. Non-dads? Fuggedaboutit. Only 25% agreed with that statement.

* Someone forgot to tell dads about metrosexuality. Just 6% of them read fashion magazines, follow fashion seasons, and notice new collections. Twice as many non-dads (12%) do so.

* Nonetheless, 81% of dads claim to take pride in their appearance. That's not quite as many as moms (88%), but it's more than non-dads and marginally more than non-moms (76% and 80%, respectively).

* Spare the rod? No way, say a majority of American dads: 55% of dads in the sample (and 53% of moms) consider spanking an appropriate disciplinary technique.

* 45% of dads (and 51% of moms) consider themselves better parents than their own parents were. Only 13% of both groups believe the opposite.

* A very substantial 82% of dads (and 79% of moms) say they are much more aware of the nutritional/health value of foods than they used to be, but that hasn't stopped 59% of them (and 63% of moms) from considering themselves overweight. Part of the problem is that nearly two-thirds of dads (65%) are less physically active now than they were 10 years ago. Only 59% of moms, 51% of non-dads, and 49% of non-moms are less active today.

"The modern-American dad stands out from the rest of the population on so many important issues," says Salzman. "What we find most interesting from a trends perspective is this postfeminist role reversal in which men are vying to keep women in the workforce while women are trying to move back to the home. Today's dad is eager to keep some things as they were in the mid-20th century, but< he's unwilling-and perhaps unable-to shoulder his household's financial burden without help from his spouse. This has important implications for marketers, certainly, but it also is having a tremendous impact on American life. As men and women increasingly seek a better life-work balance, we can expect to see even more of a clash within households in which both partners are looking to pull back on the work front. We may well see a stronger trend toward downsizing and simplification among couples who are willing to have less in order to be able to do less."

For more information on Euro RSCG's Prosumer Pulse(R) 2004 study or to arrange an interview with one of its authors, please contact the person listed below.[....]


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They should have asked the dads if they read to their kids. That would have been interesting to find out.
1 posted on 06/14/2004 6:54:53 PM PDT by summer
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To: Dog Gone

So, is this survey true? Would you rather your wife go out and work, than have her stay home with the kids? This survey says the men want their women out working at a paying job!!!


2 posted on 06/14/2004 6:56:22 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Euro RSCG Worldwide survey

I thought FR was for non-fiction news stories.

3 posted on 06/14/2004 6:57:25 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Glenn

Well, it's a survey - isn't that news?


4 posted on 06/14/2004 6:58:44 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

All right, who accessed my personal files and read my mail?


5 posted on 06/14/2004 6:59:37 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Glenn

If a survey concerns trends about people's attitudes, then I would consider that news - especially in an election year.


6 posted on 06/14/2004 6:59:59 PM PDT by summer
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To: Skooz

ROTFLMAO... :)


7 posted on 06/14/2004 7:00:23 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Only 31% of dads agreed they enjoy shopping for household cleaning products

I wasn't aware that shopping for household cleaning products was something one either enjoyed or didn't enjoy - it's just something you have to do. Oh yes! I am absolutely thrilled to be buying a couple of cans of cleanser! You have no idea!!!

8 posted on 06/14/2004 7:00:39 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp

ROFLMAO!!!


9 posted on 06/14/2004 7:01:55 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: summer
I find that that's true. Women who want to stay home with the children and keep a lovely home are considered lazy parasites. I don't get it, myself--you'd think any man would want to come home to a home-cooked dinner, an apple pie, a clean, orderly house, ironed shirts, and a wife who has the time to keep herself in shape and isn't too tired for sex. You'd think they'd appreciate a woman who doesn't want to conquer the world. But I hear more and more men react with shock and disgust to the idea that a marriage would work better if the wife wasn't working herself to death with job, commuting, AND kids and house. "I don't want to support a woman," is what I hear.

Too bad. You guys who insist on working wives don't know what you're missing.

10 posted on 06/14/2004 7:01:56 PM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: mountaineer

Oh, I think there are in fact some dads who GREATLY enjoy shopping for cleaning products!


11 posted on 06/14/2004 7:02:11 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
They should have asked the dads if they read to their kids. That would have been interesting to find out.

Yeah, other than the sex discussion question there was nothing about how dads interact with their kids in helping them grow. Homework? sports? intelectual (arts, sciences)? what?

13 posted on 06/14/2004 7:02:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Capriole
"I don't want to support a woman," is what I hear.

Frankly, I think that is a major reason there is currently a record number of single adults in this country who have never married. (My own theory.)

And, plenty of single women I know are fed with the working world - the Stepford Wives' lives looks pretty good to them.
14 posted on 06/14/2004 7:04:08 PM PDT by summer
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To: Capriole
"I don't want to support a woman," is what I hear.

Frankly, I think that is a major reason there is currently a record number of single adults in this country who have never married. (My own theory.)

And, plenty of single women I know are fed up with the working world - the Stepford Wives' lives looks pretty good to them.
15 posted on 06/14/2004 7:04:41 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

My husband became angry that I was home with the children and crashed his business so I would have to be an equal or greater partner in the financial end. Mind you I was the homeschooling breadbaking half of the family. I guess supporting a family is too much for some men ... long term.


16 posted on 06/14/2004 7:05:22 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: Navy Patriot

Thank you for ALSO noticing that omission! :)


17 posted on 06/14/2004 7:05:59 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Regular sex?

Am I missing out on something new?

18 posted on 06/14/2004 7:09:18 PM PDT by right way right
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To: summer
I fit about 90% of this at least. Where I differ is that I got better results by confronting my son verbally than spanking him, but each kid is different.

Yes, I think my wife is better socialized when she works, plus I like the extra money to pay bills.

I don't need a Stepford Wife. However, I might consider a test drive when they arrive at the wife lots.

19 posted on 06/14/2004 7:09:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: summer

If I read the survey correctly, 66% of the dads are OK with the wife as homemaker. Thats 2 out of 3 which probably covers those with more traditional values.


20 posted on 06/14/2004 7:11:25 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: summer
But do the Conservative dads eat the right ketchup ?


21 posted on 06/14/2004 7:12:25 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (‘All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.’ TJefferson)
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To: summer

Not my wife.


22 posted on 06/14/2004 7:13:07 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Capriole

I have found also that to keep a certain lifestyle some households need two incomes. The desire for their wife to work also is out of greed, to "keep up with the Jones'"

But I am with you, the most important thing for us was that I be home when we have children. I am SAH soon to be mom, and DH loves the fact that everything in the house is taken care of and he doesn't have to do anything at home except for the lawn. He loves the fact that he can come home for lunch (which he does often, he works 2.5 miles from home), and dinner is ready for him. Often if I don't have any scheduled during the day, I will bake (today I made Koulourakia, a greek cookie he likes to take into work to share with his coffee drinking coworkers). He likes the fact that if there is any errands to run, I have time during the day to do so, and I take care of the finances (well, household, he takes care of long term planning and saving)

We also plan to homeschool our kids. I have a Masters Degree. I did work for a while. I don't regret staying at home, I feel my work as a wife and mother are much more important to my family and society than any amount of money I could be making.


23 posted on 06/14/2004 7:15:46 PM PDT by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: Dog Gone

Yes, I think my wife is better socialized when she works, plus I like the extra money to pay bills.

What is she? A three year old?


24 posted on 06/14/2004 7:16:37 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: kiki04

We also plan to homeschool our kids. I have a Masters Degree. I did work for a while. I don't regret staying at home, I feel my work as a wife and mother are much more important to my family and society than any amount of money I could be making.



What you have is wonderful. Treasure it!


25 posted on 06/14/2004 7:18:20 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: summer
Geez. I'm average! Who knew?

TS

26 posted on 06/14/2004 7:21:16 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I have No Blog to speak of)
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To: summer
Definitely true. Most men want a woman whose income allows them to have the big toys, house, car, vacations etc. A trophy wife these days has a trophy career.
Not me though. I stayed home in the K-12 years and I didn't care if people looked down their nose at it.
27 posted on 06/14/2004 7:21:30 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Tanniker Smith
But do dads like to spank their wives when they're not getting sex (when the wives aren't shopping, that is)?

TS

28 posted on 06/14/2004 7:22:13 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I have No Blog to speak of)
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To: summer
So, is this survey true?

Good question. However, what is also true is that it is women who traditionally want the modern conveniences PLUS the "beautiful" home and in many instances, this cannot be acquired or obtained on a single-income household. Dittos, two cars. Furthermore, preferential affirmative action in many areas includes quotas for women (all ethnicities); quotas for minority males -- but nothing for white males; thereby putting his own marketability and income in a higher risk category.

Also, what is not asked in this survey (and I find curious, or suspect..)? Do daddies want college for their offspring in the same % as mommies do? If so, a second income may be quite necessary. (Given how much college costs; plus how little it delivers in re quality; nonetheless, degrees are still required at most if not many businesses).

29 posted on 06/14/2004 7:27:47 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: mlmr

Are you still married to this "man"?? : )


30 posted on 06/14/2004 7:29:41 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: mountaineer
Oh yes! I am absolutely thrilled to be buying a couple of cans of cleanser!

The Dutch girl on the can IS kinda hot.

31 posted on 06/14/2004 7:30:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (HEH!..HEH!..HEH!..The mighty Lakers are DOOMED!)
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To: mlmr
What is she? A three year old?

No, but I'm wondering whether you are.

32 posted on 06/14/2004 7:30:57 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: right way right

I told my wife we need and upstairs maid.

She's just toooo sharp. She said no.

Just because we don't have an upstairs.


33 posted on 06/14/2004 7:31:11 PM PDT by wizr
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To: summer
. . .plenty of single women I know are fed up with the working world - the Stepford Wives' lives looks pretty good to them.

I am certainly fed up with the working world. I long for the days when I was able to stay home with my children, instructing them when they were home and making our world more beautiful when they weren't, gardening and canning and cooking, sewing clothes or curtains, rehabbing our house, and running errands so that everything was perfect when Daddy got home. We would all sit down in the handsome kitchen I had created and enjoy a home-made family dinner before the fireplace. Daddy also got a non-exhausted, cooperative wife who was ready for anything.

34 posted on 06/14/2004 7:32:23 PM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: summer
. . .plenty of single women I know are fed up with the working world - the Stepford Wives' lives looks pretty good to them.

I am certainly fed up with the working world. I long for the days when I was able to stay home with my children, instructing them when they were home and making our world more beautiful when they weren't, gardening and canning and cooking, sewing clothes or curtains, rehabbing our house, and running errands so that everything was perfect when Daddy got home. We would all sit down in the handsome kitchen I had created and enjoy a home-made family dinner before the fireplace. Daddy also got a non-exhausted, cooperative wife who was ready for anything.

35 posted on 06/14/2004 7:32:26 PM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, I think my wife is better socialized when she works

Any human being would be, IMO. Male or female. "Working" in this context wouldn't necessarily involve a paying gig, either. Even volunteerism would accomplish that. What matters is getting out there and meeting people and keep that mind from atrophying.

36 posted on 06/14/2004 7:36:50 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: Dog Gone

No, but I'm wondering whether you are.

Not at all. You sound like a parent talking about sending Little Lola to nursery school.


37 posted on 06/14/2004 7:37:44 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: summer

Guys want stuff, that's why the mothers are working. They'd rather have "stuff" than have the kids raised by the mom & not a nanny or nanny-state.


38 posted on 06/14/2004 7:38:41 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Capriole

I remember those times too. I sometimes didn't leave the house for a week at a time. Twas wonderful.


39 posted on 06/14/2004 7:39:41 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: summer
Would you rather your wife go out and work, than have her stay home with the kids?

You bet I do. She needs to be out working a 12 hour day, then get her butt home pronto and fetch my supper. And if she complains one bit, I'll put on one of these and give her what she deserves!

After all, that's what these Euro-weenies have you believing, isn't it?

40 posted on 06/14/2004 7:40:09 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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To: Hat-Trick

I'd better post a /sarcasm tag before I get taken seriously.


41 posted on 06/14/2004 7:42:13 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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To: mlmr
You're free to interpret it anyway you like, but my wife has worked for years and been home for years at various periods in our life. My observation is that she is happier, with more friends, and more emotionally balanced when she is working.

I'm sorry that disturbs you.

42 posted on 06/14/2004 7:42:33 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

It didnt disturb me. I found the way you said it to be odd.


43 posted on 06/14/2004 7:43:43 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: summer
So, is this survey true? Would you rather your wife go out and work, than have her stay home with the kids? This survey says the men want their women out working at a paying job!!!

Sure, how else can Dads get the time to hoist a few brews and get in some Playstation time?! /sarcasm>

BTW, I have to echo your question on "how many dads do read to their kids?"
44 posted on 06/14/2004 7:47:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: summer

Persoanlly, I would rather have my wife at home. Right now we can't afford for her to stay home with my daughter. I am prepared for when the time comes, to teach my daughter about sex, I am prepared for this because I know I can't count on the school system to be truthful with her.


45 posted on 06/14/2004 7:52:19 PM PDT by ChevyZ28 (THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE ANOTHER PRESIDENT TO HOLD A CANDLE TO RONALD REAGAN)
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To: Dog Gone
I don't need a Stepford Wife. However, I might consider a test drive when they arrive at the wife lots

LOL...
46 posted on 06/14/2004 8:01:58 PM PDT by summer
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To: bereanway
Thats 2 out of 3 which probably covers those with more traditional values.

I think it often depends more on what their own mothers did or what their sisters do than actual traditional values. My dad was as conservative as one could get but since his own mother worked and some of his aunts, his sisters also worked, I think he saw that as better even though my mother would only work if it was a job she could do from home.

It just depends on the couple but it's something they should decide on carefully before marriage and be sure they agree on.

47 posted on 06/14/2004 8:02:06 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: summer
Interesting. I'm a career person and just recently got the opportunity to take care of my brilliant niece and nephew (I'm very biased...I admit it) while their parents were taking care of family business for two weeks. They live in Florida.

My staff at work game me 72 hrs. before I would cave...well they were wrong. Taking care of the house and the kids was a lot of fun....but I missed the decision-making, the memos, the negotiating, putting out fires, etc.

I had everything super organized and timed to the minute. Pick a child up, do homework, pick the other child up, drop one off at swim practice while the other does homework. Come back, check homework, drop second child off at swim practice. Come back make dinner, pick the children up, have dinner, homework, piano practice etc., etc. By the third day I had everything down pat. By the fourth day I missed work.

I consider myself fortunate. Not everybody gets to see if both sides of the fence. In my case I found both sides green, I just preferred one side more than the other.
48 posted on 06/14/2004 8:03:05 PM PDT by Chgogal (Fellow Democrats, don't be stingy with Freedom and Liberty. Win won for the Gipper!)
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To: bereanway
If I read the survey correctly, 66% of the dads are OK with the wife as homemaker. Thats 2 out of 3 ....

I think it's the opposite in the survey - with 66% wanting the wife to go and work outside the home.
50 posted on 06/14/2004 8:03:29 PM PDT by summer
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