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DRUDGE REPORT QUOTES KERRY: "...LIFE DOES BEGIN AT CONCEPTION..."
Drudge Report ^ | Independence Day 2004 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 07/04/2004 6:57:58 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

Kerry Says He Believes Life Starts at Conception: 'I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception'...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionist; flipflop; flipper; forbeforeagainst; kerry; ketchup; liar; twofaced; unsure; waffles
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That is all...I assume this is "developing"...
1 posted on 07/04/2004 6:57:59 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
ketchup boy gave an interview to a newspaper and stated he believes abortion is wrong and that life begins at conception.

One wonders if ketchup boy is expecting to meet his maker sooner rather than later.

2 posted on 07/04/2004 7:00:06 PM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Another "Say whatever I need to say in order to gain votes".


Kerry is such a fraud.


3 posted on 07/04/2004 7:00:50 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: OldFriend

It doesn't say much, really. When I was an atheist (years ago), I held a belief that abortion was wrong and life began at conception.

So, I was right in that area. But wrong in so many others.

But in this case, I believe it is Kerry saying what he wants the voters to hear. In a few weeks, after those who favor abortion have gotten after him, he will reissue his comments.


4 posted on 07/04/2004 7:03:35 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I imagine that statement will be along the lines of "I was for abortion before I was against it!"


5 posted on 07/04/2004 7:05:31 PM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Well, that sure convinces me! I can't wait now for November...

...so that I can cast my vote for President Bush!


6 posted on 07/04/2004 7:06:53 PM PDT by LRS
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

That is simple to say that life begins at creation, now, here is the real question, when does life aquire a soul. Please , no flames, this IMO is a valid question. BTW, in Korea, a child is given what is called a 100 day birthday party, 100 days after birth, he is then considered to be 1 year old.


7 posted on 07/04/2004 7:06:58 PM PDT by eastforker ((this dog bite me and eaker shot it))
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Kerry Says He Believes Life Starts at Conception:

Let's see if that is in the RAT platform.

8 posted on 07/04/2004 7:07:38 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: eastforker

Well if your soul consists of your mind, will and emotions, then it seems when you are concieved, you have the complete package. Doesn't a fetus feel pain?


9 posted on 07/04/2004 7:09:27 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Will Bi+ch Boy Kerry stop at nothing to get a bite of that wafer and a little sip of grape juice?


10 posted on 07/04/2004 7:09:28 PM PDT by WideGlide
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Like gay marriage, Kerry will say that he is opposed to it, but also opposed to any limitations on it, making his opposition to it absolutely meaningless.
11 posted on 07/04/2004 7:09:59 PM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Kerry Wows Abortion Establishment
12 posted on 07/04/2004 7:10:23 PM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I do not know when a fetus feels pain, do you?


13 posted on 07/04/2004 7:10:59 PM PDT by eastforker ((this dog bite me and eaker shot it))
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

So, he believes abortion kills a human being but he is so morally weak he won't vote against it because his constituency would not re-elect him as their Senator. What other atrocities would be willing to endorse to hold office? It's mind boggling.

WHY DON'T REPORTERS EVER ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS? Yeah, like I don't know the answer to that question.


14 posted on 07/04/2004 7:12:01 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: narses

Have fun with this one


15 posted on 07/04/2004 7:13:34 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Recovering_Democrat

As usual, Kerry can't can't seem to take a stand.
He is apparently pro life, pro abortion and pro partial birth abortion.

By Glen Johnson,Boston Globe Staff, 11/6/2003

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Just hours after President Bush signed a law banning what critics of the procedure call "partial-birth abortion,"
Senator John F. Kerry declared last night
"there is no such thing as a partial birth," as he and the other Democratic presidential contenders sought the political support of women voters.

The Massachusetts Democrat, speaking first among the six candidates at a Planned Parenthood forum on women's issues, said:
"It is a late-term abortion.
They have done a very effective job of giving people a sense of fear about it.
It's part of their assault on the rights of women in America. . . . There's nothing partial about their effort to undo Roe v. Wade."

Washington Post,June 3, 2004 " Events Forcing Abortion issue On Kerry "

"Kerry has professed his personal opposition to abortion since his unsuccessful 1972 campaign for Congress.
"On abortion, I myself, by belief and upbringing, am opposed to abortion but as a legislator, as one who is called on to pass a law,
I would find it very difficult to legislate on something God himself has not seen fit to make clear to all the people on this earth. . . .
And I think, therefore, with a sense of justice in mind that one has to leave the question of abortion between a woman and her conscience and her doctor,"
he told the Sun, a Lowell, Mass., newspaper, in 1972.


16 posted on 07/04/2004 7:13:56 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: eastforker
According to the Church Fathers, ensoulment occurred at "quickening", i.e. when the mother could feel the baby move.

That's a very subjective test, but of course that is all they had to go on in those days.

17 posted on 07/04/2004 7:14:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Casloy

Flipper is at it again!


18 posted on 07/04/2004 7:15:13 PM PDT by GLH3IL (What's good for America is bad for liberals.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Hmmm. Has he connected the detail that life ends at murder?

Does he "personally oppose" murder? How does he make an exception for abortion?

19 posted on 07/04/2004 7:15:24 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Casloy
So, he believes abortion kills a human being but he is so morally weak he won't vote against it because his constituency would not re-elect him as their Senator. What other atrocities would be willing to endorse to hold office? It's mind boggling.

"I'm personally against slavery, but I won't "impose" my view on society." How well would that statement fly? His abortion statement is the same thing. It means NOTHING.

20 posted on 07/04/2004 7:15:48 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Recovering_Democrat

You clearly don't understand the nuance. What he's saying is that if you vote for me, I'll believe anything you want. Oh, I'll do everything in my power to help the baby killers and terrorists but I'll believe whatever you like.


21 posted on 07/04/2004 7:17:29 PM PDT by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

22 posted on 07/04/2004 7:17:30 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: AnAmericanMother

That is an interesting concept I have not heard before, thank you for that info.


23 posted on 07/04/2004 7:18:07 PM PDT by eastforker ((this dog bite me and eaker shot it))
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Poor Kerry. Must have been tripped up by that dang speechwriter again. Why doesn't he fire him?


24 posted on 07/04/2004 7:18:33 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Recovering_Democrat

No, No, No! He's a Democrat and he said, "Life begins at DECEPTION."


25 posted on 07/04/2004 7:18:57 PM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
'I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception'... = FLIP

Standby for FLOP

26 posted on 07/04/2004 7:19:03 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (How can they call it a "Peace March" when they unconditionally support those who kill our soldiers?)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Another "Say whatever I need to say in order to gain votes". Kerry is such a fraud.

Bingo. You win the prize. This spineless jellyfish is ALWAYS trying to play both sides of the field.

27 posted on 07/04/2004 7:20:24 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Mike Darancette
Kerry Says He Believes Life Starts at Conception.

Yet he is for a woman's right to choose

28 posted on 07/04/2004 7:20:26 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Kerry Says He Believes Life Starts at Conception: 'I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception'...

Ummmm .. Sentor Kerry .. then please explain your voting record ... and PLEASE do explain this

2004 Transcripts To make the words of all 2004 (democratic) presidential candidates searchable for researchers and people who are other-abled.

No overturning Roe v. Wade

No packing of the courts with judges hostile to choice

No denial of choice to poor women

No outlawing of a procedure necessary to save a woman's life or physical health

No more cutbacks on population control efforts around the world


29 posted on 07/04/2004 7:22:56 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor ... You can be one too!!)
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To: OldFriend

Well, then, it *has* to be Hillary on the ticket!


30 posted on 07/04/2004 7:25:41 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ("Those poor, misguided Democrats." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

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KERRY is simply stating Catholic Church Doctrine on when life begins to protect his getting Holy Communion on TV for Votes.


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31 posted on 07/04/2004 7:26:13 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I'm sure these remarks will be accepted with open arms by NOW, Planned Parenthood and all the other baby murderers.


32 posted on 07/04/2004 7:30:35 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Kaslin
Yet he is for a woman's right to choose

Then Kerry is for the right to commit a Homicide.

33 posted on 07/04/2004 7:31:28 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I attended a Catholics for Bush dinner a couple of nights ago. The Bush campaign is actively recruiting Pro-Life Catholics. They were expecting around 100 guests and got over 500.

Kerry knows that we are trying to cut into his base with values and that he is losing.

You can't be pro-choice and pro life at the same time. People are catching on. By saying that 'Life Begins at Conception' Kerry is alienating his core support.


34 posted on 07/04/2004 7:31:32 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I am trying to stop an outbreak here and you're driving the monkey to the airport.)
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To: OldFriend

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...JOHN KERRY is telling us now he believes in Life at Conception,

...when he doesn't,


...just like...


...JOHN KERRY came back from Vietnam to call us American Soldiers fighting for Freedom there...

...rapists & terrorists,

...when we weren't.


http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


35 posted on 07/04/2004 7:36:07 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: DeweyCA
"I'm personally against slavery, but I won't "impose" my view on society."

Reminds me of what I ask pro-aborts when I hear them say something about "imposing" views: "Did your great-great grandfather have a buckboard 160 years ago with a bumper sticker that said, 'Don't like slavery?--Then don't own one!'"

36 posted on 07/04/2004 7:38:41 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Kerry said this at the NARAL (pro-abortion organization) Convention in May when they endorsed him:

"God himself has not seen fit to make clear to all the people on this earth."

"For good measure Kerry ridiculed pro-life President George W. Bush's opposition to abortion as but a "political weapon" that is "used by politicians in this nation."

What a schmuck!
37 posted on 07/04/2004 7:40:44 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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To: Recovering_Democrat
No one can honestly be against abortion and vote democrat.

Therefore, Kerry's a liar as well as a pompous, devious hypocrite.

38 posted on 07/04/2004 7:42:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

A few nights ago, I heard on Catholic radio that a suit (within the Church) to excommunicate Kerry has been filed because he's already technically excommunicated for supporting abortion and has no business receiving Communion, which he does in the face of Church rules. So his saying he doesn't believe in abortion may be in answer to those charges. It certainly underscores the fact that he's a lying opportunistic fraud.


39 posted on 07/04/2004 7:42:31 PM PDT by Veto!
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To: eastforker
here is the real question, when does life aquire a soul.

When, and even if, a human being acquires a soul is purely a matter of religious belief. The word "soul" is not mentioned in the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, but those documents do speak of human rights and liberties. We need not establish a religious test of personhood in order to recognize such.

40 posted on 07/04/2004 7:43:06 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: eastforker
"That is simple to say that life begins at creation, now, here is the real question, when does life aquire a soul."

The first question you need to answer is whether you want to talk religion or you want to discuss the legal issues.

If you want to talk religion, the Catholic church holds that the child gets a soul at conception, so Kerry is in deep doo-doo with his own church.

If you want to talk about the legal issues, I think you need to put aside the religious talk because religions can differ on this issue. From a legal point of view, I think you need to deal strictly with what we know scientifically, which is that a distinctly new individual is created at conception who only needs time and nourishment to continue to grow through the remaining stages of his/her life. Any other conclusion to the issue is just so much sophistry.
41 posted on 07/04/2004 7:48:31 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Mike Darancette
Then Kerry is for the right to commit a Homicide.

That's obvious

42 posted on 07/04/2004 7:50:03 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Kerry Sets Pro-abortion Litmus Test for Judges

NewsMax.com Wires
Monday, Jan. 26, 2004

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. – Presidential hopeful John Kerry on Monday called himself the only Democrat in the race who hasn't "played games" on abortion.

Kerry, campaigning for votes in New Hampshire's leadoff primary Tuesday, repeated his pledge to appoint to the Supreme Court only those who would support abortion rights.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/1/26/180901.shtml
43 posted on 07/04/2004 7:58:06 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: eastforker

"That is simple to say that life begins at creation, now, here is the real question, when does life aquire a soul?"

Since I assume you ask this in a Biblical context, you just may want to ask yourself what the Almighty meant when he declared, "I knew you before you were born." Can one "know" what are mere growing cells?


44 posted on 07/04/2004 8:03:07 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: eastforker
when does life aquire a soul

The soul is life. Without the soul, life doesn't exist. Even in the profoundly damaged and crippled, there is the spark of life.

When Father slipped these surly bonds, I recognized that at a gut level. The spark failed. And humanity has the ability to recognize life. It's part of who/what we are.

A more interesting philosophical question might be about whether dogs have souls. Because, even if they don't, they have the power to jack with our souls. Seriously. I'm (finally) ok with losing dad. What will I do when Randy is gone?

/john

45 posted on 07/04/2004 8:06:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (But what do I know, I'm just a cook. No disguta conmigo!)
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To: Socratic

That is a tough question, to know some one before they are born, as in gestation or when the mind is concience.


46 posted on 07/04/2004 8:11:01 PM PDT by eastforker ((this dog bite me and eaker shot it))
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Kerry opposes abortion, but supports the right for women to choose one? Oh I get it....he is very moral because HE would never have one. What a guy.


47 posted on 07/04/2004 8:11:27 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Socratic
That is a tough question, to know some one before they are born, as in gestation or when the mind is conscience.
48 posted on 07/04/2004 8:11:33 PM PDT by eastforker ((this dog bite me and eaker shot it))
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To: eastforker

"That is a tough question..."

Right you are. It is in the grappling with such ideas, concepts and beliefs that mankind defines its uniqueness among all living forms.


49 posted on 07/04/2004 8:12:54 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

He has doomed his campaign. He can't win without the breed-em-and-kill-em crowd.


50 posted on 07/04/2004 8:13:48 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Fahrenheit 7/11- The temperature at which fat idiots burn.)
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