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Kerry says he believes that life starts at conception
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com ^ | July 05, 2004 | Jonathan Finer

Posted on 07/05/2004 12:58:47 AM PDT by miltonim

DYERSVILLE, Iowa — As Sen. John Kerry campaigned across Iowa yesterday with Gov. Tom Vilsack, widely reported to be on Kerry's vice-presidential short list, both men dodged repeated questions about whether their joint appearance might be a preview of the Democratic ticket.

But even as he tried to avoid making news, Kerry broke ground in an interview that ran in the Dubuque, Iowa, daily, the Telegraph Herald. A Catholic who supports abortion rights and has taken heat recently from some in the church hierarchy for his stance, Kerry told the paper: "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception.

"I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued. "We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

The comments came on the final day of a three-state Midwest swing, during which Kerry has repeatedly sought to dispel stereotypes that could play negatively among voters in the Midwest.

President Bush's campaign said these instances are further evidence of what it says is Kerry's propensity for misleading flip-flops.

"John Kerry's ridiculous claim to hold conservative values and his willingness to change his beliefs to fit his audience betrays a startling lack of conviction on important issues like abortion that will make it difficult for voters to give him their trust," said Steve Schmidt, a Bush campaign spokesman.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2004; abortion; campaign; conception; election; kerry; life; prolife; unborn
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback

A "Life begins at conception" ping!


41 posted on 07/05/2004 5:38:39 AM PDT by NYer ("Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels.")
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To: miltonim
"I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception...

"I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued. "We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

Kerry wants to be president so badly that he'll forsake his religous views before he'll forsake support from the abortion enthusiasts. He's just pretenting to be religous because he knows there's not enough atheists voters to get elected.

John, a hint: If this is really your belief, it can be supported by DNA testing, which has nothing to do with the church.

42 posted on 07/05/2004 5:42:48 AM PDT by libertylover (The Constitution is a road-map to liberty. Let's start following it again.)
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To: djf
As a metter of fact, it begins before then. Every female born already has all the eggs in her she will ever have. While she is in the womb. So every person alive spent some time (at least their protoplasm) in their maternal grandmother's body, whether they ever even met her or not.

The flowing continuum of the life cycle, complete with tributaries. Yet many folks oddly believe there is a magical "poof" at which a human being suddenly pops into existence.

43 posted on 07/05/2004 5:44:32 AM PDT by beavus
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To: Salman
It is the same position as that taken by Mario Cuomo. Remember him? >

From what I've read, Robert Drinan (a Jesuit who served in the House until Rome told him to get out of politics) was the first to use this argument.

44 posted on 07/05/2004 6:08:13 AM PDT by maryz
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To: miltonim
..."Kerry told the paper: "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception."

Kerry 150 years ago: "I personally oppose hanging your slave from a tree, but I won't stand in the way of someone doing with their property what they will. I believe slaves are human beings."

45 posted on 07/05/2004 6:12:06 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: OpusatFR
"I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued."

From what I read, there are lots of Protestants, Jews and atheists who oppose abortion. (There's even a gay group formed to oppose it!) Anyway, Kerry has no "Catholic beliefs."

He is so utterly disgusting! (On the other hand, his internal polling must be showing his pro-abort stand and votes -- e.g., his leading the NARAL pro-abort pep rally around January -- is hurting him.)

46 posted on 07/05/2004 6:17:56 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz

" From what I read, there are lots of Protestants, Jews and atheists who oppose abortion. (There's even a gay group formed to oppose it!) Anyway, Kerry has no "Catholic beliefs."

Kerry is running on his Catholicity. He brought it into the race, posed for photo-ops, and courted the Catholic ethnicity. He has only himself to blame.

Besides, for a faithful Catholic, receiving Communion at a Protestant church as he did at an AME church is anathema.

He has denied the basic tenet of the faith which is the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.


47 posted on 07/05/2004 6:29:53 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I only see movies for the popcorn. I'd rather read the book.)
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48 posted on 07/05/2004 6:35:32 AM PDT by The Coopster
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To: NYer
I believe life does begin at conception.

That's not a "belief." It's a scientific FACT.

49 posted on 07/05/2004 6:51:29 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: anniegetyourgun

Over the last seven years, John Kerry has voted against every anti abortion bill he was presented with. He has come in from the campaign trail just to vote against a ban on partial birth abortion. He is an evil person who will say anything to anyone to be elected president.
His saying that "life begins at conception" coupled with his unswerving support for all forms of abortion make him the greatest danger to the American Catholic Church since the Know Nothings.
Help us fight this guy. Don't let this evil come directly to our door while we do nothing.

catholicsagainstkerry.com needs you to stand up now. Come to the site volunteer as a coordinator, tell all you family and friends.


50 posted on 07/05/2004 6:59:29 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: OpusatFR
He has denied the basic tenet of the faith which is the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Do you really think he believes in God? As far as I can see, he believes in money.

51 posted on 07/05/2004 7:15:15 AM PDT by maryz (uo)
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To: maryz; NYer; Polycarp IV

Kerry is confused. Abortion is NOT a "Separation of church and state" issue. Opposition to legal abortion is not due to revealed theology or some esoteric theological mystery exclusively tied to Catholicism. That an unborn child is a living human being is scientific fact. It's not a frog or a stone.


52 posted on 07/05/2004 7:18:26 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: miltonim

Then why doesn't he vote AGAINST abortion?

It's just another fli-flop by this CINO. Nothing new here, folks. Just speaking apeasement to the conservative crowd in Iowa.


53 posted on 07/05/2004 7:22:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: river rat
What Abortion Looks Like -- Priests for Life

Go ahead, take a look at the images.

54 posted on 07/05/2004 7:28:31 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: miltonim; NYer; Polycarp IV; Aquinasfan; maryz; eastsider
"I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued. "We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."

Catholic ethical teaching on surgical abortion is not an "article of faith. " Kerry doesn't understand Catholicism. That the killing of an unborn child is a murder, unlawful and immoral, is not a revealed theological mystery.

The part of Catholic teaching which binds Kerry as a Catholic is that having or assisting an abortion is a mortal sin barring one from Holy Communion. Before 1973 when abortion was illegal in the U.S., American citizens were not bound to Catholic sacramental discipline or theology by observing the unlawfulness of murdering an unborn child. Kerry is a kook. Legal restrictions on abortion do not make Americans subject to Catholic theology or "articles of faith."

I suggest that Bishop O'Malley, Cardinal McCarrick, and the Jesuit superiors of Fr. Drinan (advising Kerry) exercise their pastoral functions and inform Kerry of his confusion and errors. Why would they NOT do this? And why would the Pope NOT instruct them to do this? Now.

55 posted on 07/05/2004 7:28:48 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Salvation
He is truly an Idiot. No wonder his campaign wants him to remain invisible. Every time he opens his mouth he shoots himself in the foot!
56 posted on 07/05/2004 7:28:48 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God bless our troops!! Our President and those who fight against the awful commie, liberal left!!)
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To: miltonim
Flip Flop---Flip Flop--Flip Flop

Yeah Right!
(He believed it before he didn't believe it.)
(Or something like that)

57 posted on 07/05/2004 7:35:43 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: miltonim

In other words, "Sure, I believe that abortion is murder, but women must have that right to decide whether to murder or not." -- Standard-bearer of the oh-so-compassionate Democratic Party


58 posted on 07/05/2004 7:38:53 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: punster

Unfortunately, a good number from both groups continue trust him.... and ignore him.


59 posted on 07/05/2004 7:40:28 AM PDT by sandlady
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To: sandlady

"Unfortunately, a good number from both groups continue trust him.... and ignore him."

Of course! When I made my comment about Kerry not being trustworthy, I only considered individuals with some degree of intelligence. That left out the hardcore Kerry supporters.


60 posted on 07/05/2004 7:46:57 AM PDT by punster
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